Post Match Warriors v Manly - [Round 2, 2025]

[FormerlyJamesW]

Kosi is out the door already, I would release him immediately, for a young guy.

Wonder if Manly would be interested in him...

 

[sup42]

RTS try was for sure a double movement

Saab lost control over the line

RTS try was legit, watch it at normal speed.

It looks like a double movement in slow mow because he marginally extends his arm (which is legal because he does not lift the ball and promote it after ground contact). More importantly it is momentum that gets him across the line rather than lifting.

I have more doubts about Egans try, however that was also a legitimate call because on first landing, it is reasonable to assume that the point of the ball touches grass before that arm rotates the ball into its held up final place of rest.

In which case it is reasonable for the Ref to send it up as a try and for the bunker to defer to the original call in the lack of evidence.

I also think that DCE's try was legit, you can see a very thin green line before the touch in goal on that one.

 

[Beastmode]

Second week running Egan highest tackle count I think? He was immense and huge to us having success. Must have been some of his highest running metres in a while and need that to create defenders second guessing whether he’ll run and open space for his halves. Their strong showing had a lot to with him. Really impressed with CHT too and is becoming a running threat

Two weeks into a new season

Tell me he’s still doing this in September and we celebrate - he’s not injured

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

RTS try was legit, watch it at normal speed.

It looks like a double movement in slow mow because he marginally extends his arm (which is legal because he does not lift the ball and promote it after ground contact). More importantly it is momentum that gets him across the line rather than lifting.

I have more doubts about Egans try, however that was also a legitimate call because on first landing, it is reasonable to assume that the point of the ball touches grass before that arm rotates the ball into its held up final place of rest.

In which case it is reasonable for the Ref to send it up as a try and for the bunker to defer to the original call in the lack of evidence.

I also think that DCE's try was legit, you can see a very thin green line before the touch in goal on that one.

Did Egan knock the ball on at the half way when he scored?

 

[John Nick]

Two weeks into a new season

Tell me he’s still doing this in September and we celebrate - he’s not injured

Hopefully he stays healthy.
He has changed his tackling technique somewhat and now gets his head behind the attacker

 

[Noitall]

Two weeks into a new season

Tell me he’s still doing this in September and we celebrate - he’s not injured

Can’t predict these things or I would have won lotto last night. Perhaps not sustainable over the season but Healey looks promising in waiting. Was this time in 2023 where he was in origin discussions so hopefully can get back to that and be consistent with it

 

[Beastmode]

RTS try was legit, watch it at normal speed.

It looks like a double movement in slow mow because he marginally extends his arm (which is legal because he does not lift the ball and promote it after ground contact). More importantly it is momentum that gets him across the line rather than lifting.

I have more doubts about Egans try, however that was also a legitimate call because on first landing, it is reasonable to assume that the point of the ball touches grass before that arm rotates the ball into its held up final place of rest.

In which case it is reasonable for the Ref to send it up as a try and for the bunker to defer to the original call in the lack of evidence.

I also think that DCE's try was legit, you can see a very thin green line before the touch in goal on that one.

It’s not normal we get these 50/50 calls

He wasn’t sliding and thumps onto the line well short.
Arm/ elbow moved suggesti g double moment. Similar to the broncos one last night where he moved his elbow to score

made no difference to the game but surprised these cheating refs didn’t pull it up

 

[Noitall]

It’s not normal we get these 50/50 calls

He wasn’t sliding and thumps onto the line well short.
Arm/ elbow moved suggesti g double moment. Similar to the broncos one last night where he moved his elbow to score

made no difference to the game but surprised these cheating refs didn’t pull it up

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Don’t think still shots are so helpful because it looked like the sliding momentum was the factor for it being called a try

 

[sup42]

It’s not normal we get these 50/50 calls

He wasn’t sliding and thumps onto the line well short.
Arm/ elbow moved suggesti g double moment. Similar to the broncos one last night where he moved his elbow to score

made no difference to the game but surprised these cheating refs didn’t pull it up

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Arm and elbow are allowed to move, like I said, the rule is clear, you are not allowed to lift the ball off the ground and promote it....you will not be able to post any pic of the ball being lifted because it didn't happen.

Can you imagine if the rule was to do with arm movement? how many minutes would be wasted on the bunker ruling "is that too much arm movement? his arm moved an inch? oh hang on that was half an inch?? nah his arm moved coz he was bumped'.....it would be a bloody circus if your interpretation of promoting the ball was applied.

 

[Beastmode]

Don’t think still shots are so helpful because it looked like the sliding momentum was the factor for it being called a try

Even if sliding he’s not allowed to move his arm in a scoring motion once like you see in frame 2. Visualise if that line wasn’t there is that normal

 

[Noitall]

That was bizarre when Adam Gee blew a penalty for manly, then calls it back and says should have been a 6 again

 

[Wrighty]

That was bizarre when Adam Gee blew a penalty for manly, then calls it back and says should have been a 6 again

In the 7 years I have watched that is the first time I can recall we have won with him.

 

[sup42]

Even if sliding he’s not allowed to move his arm in a scoring motion once like you see in frame 2

You cannot have a rule about a human limb moving while the body is in motion in the act of scoring (even though fans over simplify the rule by looking at arm movement) that would be impossible to rule on in terms of intent. What you can rule on is whether that movement lifts the ball from a grounded position to the in goal.

The Rule is "Promoting the ball" not "Moving the arm".

I am not arguing that Roger was not tempted to promote the ball and that his body 'shrugs' in an arm movement that warrants close scrutiny by the Officials, however he resists the temptation to breach the rule by not following through and *LIFTING THE BALL* and planting it.

You are allowed to look tempted, then change your mind and stay within the rules, it is no different to a player going to pass the ball to a runner that is in front of them, then pull back to avoid a making a blatant forward pass..

 

[Tookey 2.0]

It’s not normal we get these 50/50 calls

He wasn’t sliding and thumps onto the line well short.
Arm/ elbow moved suggesti g double moment. Similar to the broncos one last night where he moved his elbow to score

made no difference to the game but surprised these cheating refs didn’t pull it up

The way I see it, we generally seem to get the short end of the stick with calls from the 3rd ref.

Ive seen plenty that looked more like a try only NOT be given by the ref, so I was a little worried about this one (and Waydes one). I agree that RTS momentum was getting him over the line but he also did have a 2nd movement where he lifted up his arm a bit to make sure he got there.

I think the big thing is though, there's no way you can take that try off of us after already giving those first two Manly ones. I think that's the bottom line - if Roger and Wayde score those 2 in the first 20 minutes, or we scored those two that Manly had, imo none of the 4 get called as tries. Far too much doubt for a Wahs player.

It was similar to when we played the Sharks early in 2023 with that epic come back - they called a bs sinbin for a soft high shot from Niukore early in the match, and then later on Finucane did the same thing, so had to bin him as well.

At the end of the day, it's all about consistency for me. They called a few calls that were a bit questionable for Manly as tries, and did the same for us.

It's an absolute killer when our ones get called back for us, but then allow them to stand for the opposing team

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It’s not normal we get these 50/50 calls

He wasn’t sliding and thumps onto the line well short.
Arm/ elbow moved suggesti g double moment. Similar to the broncos one last night where he moved his elbow to score

made no difference to the game but surprised these cheating refs didn’t pull it up

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After I watched the replay I was happy its a try. Unlike Mariners last night where he is very clearly short with no momentum and promotes the ball so it touches the try line.

 

[Beastmode]

The way I see it, we generally seem to get the short end of the stick with calls from the 3rd ref.

Ive seen plenty that looked more like a try only NOT be given by the ref, so I was a little worried about this one (and Waydes one). I agree that RTS momentum was getting him over the line but he also did have a 2nd movement where he lifted up his arm a bit to make sure he got there.

I think the big thing is though, there's no way you can take that try off of us after already giving those first two Manly ones. I think that's the bottom line - if Roger and Wayde score those 2 in the first 20 minutes, or we scored those two that Manly had, imo none of the 4 get called as tries. Far too much doubt for a Wahs player.

It was similar to when we played the Sharks early in 2023 with that epic come back - they called a bs sinbin for a soft high shot from Niukore early in the match, and then later on Finucane did the same thing, so had to bin him as well.

At the end of the day, it's all about consistency for me. They called a few calls that were a bit questionable for Manly as tries, and did the same for us.

It's an absolute killer when our ones get called back for us, but then allow them to stand for the opposing team

That’s fair

That Saab one was dodgy as hell also. I think it kills the enjoyment of the spectacle if they didn’t give it as both were great tries to watch and should be rewarded

 

[Beastmode]

After I watched the replay I was happy its a try. Unlike Mariners last night where he is very clearly short with no momentum and promotes the ball so it touches the try line.

His was way more exaggerated for sure

 

[sup42]

After I watched the replay I was happy its a try. Unlike Mariners last night where he is very clearly short with no momentum and promotes the ball so it touches the try line.

They spelled out the rule really well in that example with Mariner.

 

[Kaos A.D.]

I'm absolutely Gutted.



Skysport was terrible in the first half and then nothing in the second half until 5 minutes to go.
Really hard to give any feedback when the quality of the picture was so bad.
The bits that I did see were Egan tearing them apart together with Clark who I have given big wraps on this forum.
Worth noting that the team never dropped its lip when the Ref gave some dreadful decisions.
Never lost faith in Webby or our team.

So it wasnt just my dodgey stream that was playing up...

 

[roguei]

Baha had a laugh at old mate Chanel smashing a burger after the game. Bro deserved his baconater lolView attachment 12073

There is no way that is anything more than a promotional pic lol.