Post Match Warriors v Manly - [Round 2, 2025]

[Tookey 2.0]

I'm not sure if others feel the same way but I do think that we are missing a step in our go-forward so far this year, something we essentially led the comp in for the last 2 years. I suspect it's not just the loss of AFB but also because of the changes in our back five. Sure Marcelo and DWZ had their moments in defense, but their carries out of own half was instrumental in our dominating the comp last year in running meters. We're just not getting the same out of TT and RTS.

Not sure you can put RTS in there currently - 180m average after 2 games, 4.5 tackle busts a game, 2 line breaks and 2 tries. Plenty of go forward.

So far he's looked elite imo. Still early days tho.

It's quite funny looking at the difference in him playing centre last year and wing this year. He looked a fish out of water at times, and with his big price tag he was underperforming so probably had a bit more pressure on him.
This year he looks more comfortable, and while the price tag is still there he's able to play that roll well, so there's a fair bit of value for the team.

I think he'll finish the year with 15-20 tries and loads of running meters and tackle busts

 

[Wrighty]

On the less meters discussion

1) JFH for Addin means 50 to 60 less metres per game.
2) Clark for Jazz means 20 to 30 more metres per game
3) Different wingers means maybe 30-35 less metres per game (out my wahzoo)
4) Better bench in 2025 equals maybe 20 more metres than 2024

Net impact we are down maybe 40 metres or 2 to 3 metres per set.

However some mitigating factors
a) We were probably best in the league at metres gained last year and came 4th to last so it is not that important a dynamic.
b) We were Jeckyll and Hyde at it. As soon as Addin went off the field we fell away and frequently lost in the match in those stanzas. In 2025 we will be consistent even when our starting props are off the field as our bench is better this year.
c) As others have mentioned our Defence has improved notwithstanding the round one result. And as Webby says Defence is what creates Offence.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

On the less meters discussion

1) JFH for Addin means 50 to 60 less metres per game.
2) Clark for Jazz means 20 to 30 more metres per game
3) Different wingers means maybe 30-35 less metres per game (out my wahzoo)
4) Better bench in 2025 equals maybe 20 more metres than 2024

Dont remember Jazz going >125m ~50mins back to back weeks. I think Clarks meters over Jazz may be a bit more than that.

 

[Wrighty]

Dont remember Jazz going >125m ~50mins back to back weeks. I think it may be a bit more than that.

Sorry Frank I don't understand the grammar in your post can you try again

You do remember or don't remember him going over 125meters - and if you don't remember I am not sure how that ties in?

Not overly important but if you can re-write your post that would be good

 

[MrFrankWhite]

2) Clark for Jazz means 20 to 30 more metres per game

After 2 games Clark is averaging 140m in 45mins. I think thats quite a bit better than what Jazz was serving up on average. I could be wrong though.

 

[juju]

Erin Clark really has that dog in him.
Loved when RTS scored he shoved Olakau'atu off him + a serve.

https://www.seaeagles.com.au/teams/nrl-premiership/manly-warringah-sea-eagles/haumole-olakauatu/​

 

[Wrighty]

After 2 games Clark is averaging 140m in 45mins. I think thats quite a bit better than what Jazz was serving up on average. I could be wrong though.

Thanks Frank.

In 2024 Tevaga averaged 90 metres per game and Clark last year averaged 99 metres per game.

If Clark can keep up 140 metres per game that would put him as a 50 metre enhancement over Jazz - can he keep up 140metres? maybe not might fall back a wee bit. I do think he can comfortably beat his 99 from last year with his enhanced role with us however.

The last point I stumbled upon while researching this to respond to you, is that his 99 metres per game last year is notable. 100 metres for a forward is the gold standard. So to basically just miss that by one metre is a good accomplishment.

I think we have done extremely well out of this exchange of Jazz for Clark and to your point after the match - Jazz missed some key tackles as well.

 

[sydneywarrior92]

Swapping Jazz for Clark also means less dumb penalties and errors in the ruck. Did my head in the number of times last year we'd be dominating the ruck in the first 20 minutes and then a dumb Jazz error/penalty relieves the pressure and changes the momentum of the game against us. Also don't understand why Manly played Jazz at hooker-it never worked during his stint with us.

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Jazz missed some key tackles as well.

He's great with a waterbottle.

Maybe Cricket is his game?

 

[run_it_str8_again]

On the less meters discussion

1) JFH for Addin means 50 to 60 less metres per game.
2) Clark for Jazz means 20 to 30 more metres per game
3) Different wingers means maybe 30-35 less metres per game (out my wahzoo)
4) Better bench in 2025 equals maybe 20 more metres than 2024

Net impact we are down maybe 40 metres or 2 to 3 metres per set.

However some mitigating factors
a) We were probably best in the league at metres gained last year and came 4th to last so it is not that important a dynamic.
b) We were Jeckyll and Hyde at it. As soon as Addin went off the field we fell away and frequently lost in the match in those stanzas. In 2025 we will be consistent even when our starting props are off the field as our bench is better this year.
c) As others have mentioned our Defence has improved notwithstanding the round one result. And as Webby says Defence is what creates Offence.

We had Addin and co getting us into the opposition 20 and even with SJ would make poor attacking plays.

In round one this year we couldn't make metres against a bully pack of Raiders.

In round two we ascended in the forward battle and our mid tier halves pulled their water pistol triggers and we won.

I think this is relevant to your post

 

[Makasene]

Swapping Jazz for Clark also means less dumb penalties and errors in the ruck. Did my head in the number of times last year we'd be dominating the ruck in the first 20 minutes and then a dumb Jazz error/penalty relieves the pressure and changes the momentum of the game against us. Also don't understand why Manly played Jazz at hooker-it never worked during his stint with us.

Because they let one hooker walk to Souths and is now the most talked about young halfback in the game. And the other hooker was fighting fans in the stands

 

[MrFrankWhite]

And the other hooker was fighting fans in the stands

Say what?

 

[tajhay]

Say what?

NRL investigating video of Manly star’s heated confrontation with Warriors fans

NRL investigating video of Manly star’s heated confrontation with Warriors fans

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[FormerlyJamesW]

Shout out to Metcalf with 100% goal kicking.

It's an important stat.

 

[snake77]

Not quite what Winston Churchill was thinking of when he said.

We shall fight in France New Zealand, we shall fight on the seas and oceans field, we shall fight on the beaches stands, we shall fight on the landing grounds, We shall never surrender'.

 

[watcher]

For me it was players reacting to what was in front of them rather than stickinhg to structure, big improvement.

Clarke makes a big difference in his workrate both sides of the ball. Mistakes qere kept to a minimum which was good . All forwards playes well.

Very pleased to how NSW team went. Most would be ready for FG. This is where Webby has to rest players with injry.

 

[Theking267]

Clark’s best asset is his ability to straighten the line. Walker is a better playmaker but sometimes he can become to sideways.

 

[Noitall]

Clark’s best asset is his ability to straighten the line. Walker is a better playmaker but sometimes he can become to sideways.

Been a bit disappointed in Walker’s impact compared to what it was. Thought some of his option taking has been a bit poor at times like when he put that grubber through for himself still quite a distance out. He mentioned recently he’d be interested in hanging around for a season or two, but I think his $700k salary would need to drop a bit

 

[MrFrankWhite]

NRL investigating video of Manly star’s heated confrontation with Warriors fans

NRL investigating video of Manly star’s heated confrontation with Warriors fans

www.foxsports.com.au

Omfg that drop kick was a player?!!? Jeez that’s some low IQ shit right there.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Been a bit disappointed in Walker’s impact compared to what it was. Thought some of his option taking has been a bit poor at times like when he put that grubber through for himself still quite a distance out. He mentioned recently he’d be interested in hanging around for a season or two, but I think his $700k salary would need to drop a bit

Healey could be an upgrade at that spot.