Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[MrFrankWhite]

Except, y'know, colonialism Frank. And the so called yearning for a simpler world is one founded and drenched in misogyny, racism, bigotry and intolerance.

and? Bro you act like indigenous people were living in paradise until the evil white man arrived. Shall we revisit the slavery, infanticide, ritualistic murder and cannibalism of pre colonial Māori life?

 

[MaybeTop8]

and? Bro you act like indigenous people were living in paradise until the evil white man arrived. Shall we revisit the slavery, infanticide, ritualistic murder and cannibalism of pre colonial Māori life?

It's all regressive Frank. Time we as a species, I dunno, fucking grew up. Regression is utterly destructive, and ultimately pointless, not to mention childish. It's a means of control.

It's amazing that some want to return to some mythical land.

 

[Noitall]

Thats not it all and in fact is a perfect case of disinformation.. The argument is if other ethno groups ie Japanese, Fins etc can remain ethnically homogenous without being called racist, why cant white Europeans. Now notice there's no invading or killing brown people there? Its an entirely logical and valid argument.

Its got nothing to do with "white dominated world"

I think it’s disingenuous to not think there is some sort of nazi ideology when such big players in current American politics are sending out nazi salutes. The likes of Musk, and Bannon who has been a close figure to the current president and interestingly had his sights over here at one stage. I think the treaty bill we see is designed for nothing more than creating divisions in what is probably viewed as a country that has offered far too much to its indigenous people in a treaty. I get the feeling Russia is viewed as a true bastion for white and that is the big draw for some. You generally don’t see many faces of diversity in that particular country. Certainly racism isn’t something that’s in white alone as an ethnicity, but perhaps has something to to with past treatment in some cases too. Probably why there’s a push from some not to teach some historical happenings in schools? Perhaps that’s why there’s not the pride there once was in the countries where our young reside, because we know more of the shocking treatments of some in the history of where we live than we once did

 

[MaybeTop8]

I think it’s disingenuous to not think there is some sort of nazi ideology when such big players in current American politics are sending out nazi salutes. The likes of Musk, and Bannon who has been a close figure to the current president and interestingly had his sights over here at one stage. I think the treaty bill we see is designed for nothing more than creating divisions in what is probably viewed as a country that has offered far too much to its indigenous people in a treaty. I get the feeling Russia is viewed as a true bastion for white and that is the big draw for some. You generally don’t see many faces of diversity in that particular country. Certainly racism isn’t something that’s in white alone as an ethnicity, but perhaps has something to to with past treatment in some cases too. Probably why there’s a push from some not to teach some historical happenings in schools? Perhaps that’s why there’s not the pride there once was in the countries where our young reside, because we know more of the shocking treatments of some in the history of where we live than we once did

There are strong moves towards fascism and authoritarianism that involve breaking down modern societal constructs, including modern democracy. This has been in play for many decades. Part of this division is the fomenting of hatred, bigotry, misogyny, bullying, racism and intolerance.

There are many, many, many examples of why any of this is corrosive and destructive to the world - these notions have been visited and rejected many times throughout history. It's pure poison.

This time around we're flooded with concerted campaigns of disinformation, that certainly at least one poster in these forums seems to embrace, and as a result takes glee in posting some pretty vile stuff.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I get the feeling Russia is viewed as a true bastion for white and that is the big draw for some. You generally don’t see many faces of diversity in that particular country.

Had me up until here. What you dont see is a lot of is ethnic immigrants such as Africans and Indians. But Russia is far more indigenously ethnically diverse than most western countries. In fact Im pretty sure it might be the most diverse in that regard.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It's all regressive Frank. Time we as a species, I dunno, fucking grew up. Regression is utterly destructive, and ultimately pointless, not to mention childish. It's a means of control.

It's amazing that some want to return to some mythical land.

Wow amazing you give them the regressive pass, but not the colonisers who stopped that behaviour... Amazing logic

 

[Noitall]

Had me up until here. What you dont see is a lot of is ethnic immigrants such as Africans and Indians. But Russia is far more indigenously ethnically diverse than most western countries. In fact Im pretty sure it might be the most diverse in that regard.

Yeah was a statement I made without any knowledge, but upon some research certainly is predominantly white in the sense of between 40,000-70,000 black people amongst around 144 million white amongst different groups. Certainly a more diverse place than I realised, so you’re right in that sense. Interesting those indigenous to Siberia are loosely related to an indigenous group from the Americas

 

[Garry Saloon]

Wow amazing you give them the regressive pass, but not the colonisers who stopped that behaviour... Amazing logic

I'm sure if say, China, came here and colonised/took over this country and banned gambling and alcohol and sugary drinks (all of which cause enormous harm) you'd give the whole colonisation thing a pass?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I'm sure if say, China, came here and colonised/took over this country and banned gambling and alcohol and sugary drinks (all of which cause enormous harm) you'd give the whole colonisation thing a pass?

Huh? You mean historically? Or now?

You cant colonise an established country.

 

[Garry Saloon]

Huh? You mean historically? Or now?

You cant colonise an established country.

Now. And what do you mean? What do you think happened across the world? One nation goes and forcibly dominates and controls established nations/peoples.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Now. And what do you mean? What do you think happened across the world? One nation goes and forcibly dominates and controls established nations/peoples.

incorrect understanding of the term used.

Colonialism was going out and taking uncivilised lands to recreate the motherland. Just like settling; you are creating something new, from scratch. Invading, occupying, seizing land, annexation are all different things.

Thats why colonisers weren't immigrants. They didnt cross the oceans to join an established society.

 

[Garry Saloon]

incorrect understanding of the term used.

Colonialism was going out and taking uncivilised lands to recreate the motherland. Just like settling; you are creating something new, from scratch. Invading, occupying, seizing land, annexation are all different things.

Thats why colonisers weren't immigrants. They didnt cross the oceans to join an established society.

That's a truly vile and racist distinction. When did the British become civilised exactly? Because well into the 20th century they were oppressing the entire subcontinent of Asia and committing horrible crimes while they were at it. All by the way out of a desire to exploit the people and resources, not as an act of noble civilising generosity. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

Ask George Orwell if you don't believe it.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

That's a truly vile and racist distinction. When did the British become civilised exactly? Because well into the 20th century they were oppressing the entire subcontinent of Asia and committing horrible crimes while they were at it. All by the way out of a desire to exploit the people and resources, not as an act of noble civilising generosity. E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre

Ask George Orwell if you don't believe it.

I already said established country but that was too nuanced for you. No kidding the brits were doing shit to others, thats mans nature since the dawn of time.

 

[Garry Saloon]

I already said established country but that was too nuanced for you. No kidding the brits were doing shit to others, thats mans nature since the dawn of time.

Define country?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Define country?

if only there was a resource everyone could work off so we all knew the meaning of words...

 

[Garry Saloon]

if only there was a resource everyone could work off so we all knew the meaning of words...

Good point. From Cambridge dictionary:

colonization
noun [ U ]
(UK usually colonisation)

uk

/ˌkɒl.ə.naɪˈzeɪ.ʃən/ us

/ˌkɑː.lə.nəˈzeɪ.ʃən/

Add to word list
the act or process of sending people to live in and govern another country:
European colonization of the Americas

 

[Garry Saloon]

I already said established country but that was too nuanced for you. No kidding the brits were doing shit to others, thats mans nature since the dawn of time.

Btw yeah, man's nature since the dawn of time, but when māori do terrible things it justifies colonisation

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Btw yeah, man's nature since the dawn of time, but when māori do terrible things it justifies colonisation

everyone did terrible things.

 

[Garry Saloon]

everyone did terrible things.

Of course. But people (including you) use things māori did you justify colonisation, explicitly or by implication.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Of course. But people (including you) use things māori did you justify colonisation, explicitly or by implication.

Because thats the frame of reference most understandable here. We can use indigenous Australians, west Africans where part of my heritage is from, native Americans. Same story