General Your 2025 team

[Noitall]

Feel like Mark Grahams years were the closest we ever got to a genuine American sports style rebuild.

Big part of Ando's 01-03 run was Graham giving reps to young guys who probably weren't quite ready but because of the first grade reps were set up to experience success in Ando's time.

Tough balancing act though and setting foundations for the long term can cost a coach his job in the short term which is why you don't really see it here much.

American sports culture much more accepting of it, see the 76ers "trust the process" rallying cry, but bit of a foreign concept over here.

OKC a bit like that too. Just watched them smash the cavaliers

 

[Tohu’s_Knees]

Feel like Mark Grahams years were the closest we ever got to a genuine American sports style rebuild.

Big part of Ando's 01-03 run was Graham giving reps to young guys who probably weren't quite ready but because of the first grade reps were set up to experience success in Ando's time.

Tough balancing act though and setting foundations for the long term can cost a coach his job in the short term which is why you don't really see it here much.

American sports culture much more accepting of it, see the 76ers "trust the process" rallying cry, but bit of a foreign concept over here.

So we had a rebuild 20 years ago. Lol
I’ve been watching the Warriors religiously since 2002 and I don’t feel like there’s genuinely been one.

People are just happy to scrape into the finals. I’m fucking sick of that shit.

We’re not going to win the NRL in 2025.
You can hardly say we’re a solid bet for the finals.
So what are we actually losing by prioritising a rebuild. A thought out, sensible rebuild.
Which includes assessing player who a genuinely/realistically going to be here.

There’s nothing wrong with taking risks. Just don’t be stupid about it.

To much “keep my cake and eat it too” in NZ and Australia quite frankly.

 

[Neo]

Did you even read the stats you quoted.

He played a 1/3 more games than TMM and had half the try assists, 1/3 line breaks, 1/3 line break assists and just over half the run metres.

In what world can you think he is anything but a depth player and that is at his absolute best, at worst he single handedly loses us games on his own

Have a listen to SJ break down his try involvements rather than try assists. He puts his body on the line by targeting the inside shoulder of the opposite second rower, thereby creating space for the outsides. As someone said above he is a solid role player, who is a good defensive half. I don’t see what upside Boyd brings. If you look at games in the Covid period where CHT was the dominant half, he produced more than what Boyd has.
My preferred pairing is TMM and Metcalf for what it’s worth.
The disdain for CHT always surprises me as I’m sure he would have no problem finding a back up role at another NRL club

 

[Damo]

Another stats comparison without context, games at Halfback:

	Harris-Tavita	Boyd
Games	12	31
Tries	2	3
Avg Try Assists	0.5	0.3
Avg Line Breaks	0.1	0.1
Avg LB Assists	0.2	0.2
Avg Tackles	19.5	20.5
Avg Missed Tackles	3	3.5
Avg Run Metres	54.2	50.1
Avg Kick Metres	214.3	413.2
Avg Forced Drop Outs	0.8	0.8

 

[sup42]

Feel like Mark Grahams years were the closest we ever got to a genuine American sports style rebuild.

Big part of Ando's 01-03 run was Graham giving reps to young guys who probably weren't quite ready but because of the first grade reps were set up to experience success in Ando's time.

Tough balancing act though and setting foundations for the long term can cost a coach his job in the short term which is why you don't really see it here much.

American sports culture much more accepting of it, see the 76ers "trust the process" rallying cry, but bit of a foreign concept over here.

American culture is to exceptionalize or deity legendary coaches. Take a cult movie like Hoosiers, they lose their version of the GF. The legend. Is in the story of the small, becoming contenders through character, through some socially engineered American dream bollocks.

The Atipodeans are the opposite, they talk you up when you are up, but unlike America the Antipodeans call for the coaches head at the first sign of trouble, past achievements forgotten.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Another stats comparison without context, games at Halfback:

	Harris-Tavita	Boyd
Games	12	31
Tries	2	3
Avg Try Assists	0.5	0.3
Avg Line Breaks	0.1	0.1
Avg LB Assists	0.2	0.2
Avg Tackles	19.5	20.5
Avg Missed Tackles	3	3.5
Avg Run Metres	54.2	50.1
Avg Kick Metres	214.3	413.2
Avg Forced Drop Outs	0.8	0.8

So Boyd is just CHT who can kick. Makes sense

 

[Five&Last]

Have a listen to SJ break down his try involvements rather than try assists. He puts his body on the line by targeting the inside shoulder of the opposite second rower, thereby creating space for the outsides. As someone said above he is a solid role player, who is a good defensive half. I don’t see what upside Boyd brings. If you look at games in the Covid period where CHT was the dominant half, he produced more than what Boyd has.
My preferred pairing is TMM and Metcalf for what it’s worth.
The disdain for CHT always surprises me as I’m sure he would have no problem finding a back up role at another NRL club

Exactly this.

He's four years younger and his first receiver play is way more advanced than TMM.

TMM doesn't square up the line and draw in players like CHT does.

No one is saying he's better than TMM currently. TMM had a dream period last year where he was arguably the most in form half in the comp. TMM is clearly ahead in the pecking order.

But there are definitely areas of the game that CHT is streets ahead of TMM in.

Unless we do video session on it you're not going to pick up on it from random stats being thrown around on this thread

 

[Iridescent]

Exactly this.

He's four years younger and his first receiver play is way more advanced than TMM.

TMM doesn't square up the line and draw in players like CHT does.

No one is saying he's better than TMM currently. TMM had a dream period last year where he was arguably the most in form half in the comp. TMM is clearly ahead in the pecking order.

But there are definitely areas of the game that CHT is streets ahead of TMM in.

Unless we do video session on it you're not going to pick up on it from random stats being thrown around on this thread

What areas is he streets "ahead" on?

It's not passing, kicking or running so go on, humor me

Been hearing this same story for a number of years now and have come to the conclusion CHT talent is much like the Loch Ness Monster, a few crack pots think it exists, but no one has ever actually seen it.

 

[Five&Last]

What areas is he streets "ahead" on?

It's not passing, kicking or running so go on, humor me

Been hearing this same story for a number of years now and have come to the conclusion CHT talent is much like the Loch Ness Monster, a few crack pots think it exists, but no one has ever actually seen it.

It literally just wrote it out for if you can read.

 

[BabylonPink]

I think if TMM gets his kicking down , he will be a great 7. Guys learnt from some great halves.

 

[Tragic]

So Boyd is just CHT who can kick. Makes sense

Looks like it. That would probably have gotten us into the 8 in 2024.

 

[Milking!]

Looks like it. That would probably have gotten us into the 8 in 2024.

Another stats comparison without context, games at Halfback:

	Harris-Tavita	Boyd
Games	12	31
Tries	2	3
Avg Try Assists	0.5	0.3
Avg Line Breaks	0.1	0.1
Avg LB Assists	0.2	0.2
Avg Tackles	19.5	20.5
Avg Missed Tackles	3	3.5
Avg Run Metres	54.2	50.1
Avg Kick Metres	214.3	413.2
Avg Forced Drop Outs	0.8	0.8

Thanks for the stats!
To preface, I’m a fan of both and just hope Webby backs whoever he chooses the keys for a good length of time to really show if they can and can’t do it.
BUT I wonder with halfbacks, esp with small sample sizes and in quite likely struggling teams(?) if you can fairly compare them.
What were the circumstances behind them getting the call up? What was the game plan? Were the forwards getting monstered? Did they have a dominant five-eighth or a rookie? Was the hooker doing much to attract attention around marker? All this type of stuff impacts how well the halfback ultimately looks (eye test and statistically).
EG Boyd has a ton of long kicking metres - is it cos he’s the man? Or were they going nowhere and he was the only one who can kick the leather off the ball?

 

[Iridescent]

It literally just wrote it out for if you can read.

Oh he is streets ahead at squaring up the line and drawing in defenders

It really shows in his try assists and line break assists, also you said areas so what are the others?

You might need to do some more video analysis

 

[Riz]

1 cnk
2 dwz
3 Rocco
4 Ali
5 rts
6 tmm
7 Metcalf
8 Fish
9 Egan
10 Barnett
11 Halasima
12 Capewell
13 Ale

14 Walker
15 Demetric
16 Marata
17 Clark

18 cht

 

[Dannevegas]

Tuivasa-scheck
Pasikala
Leiataua
Berry
Watene-zelezniak
Harris-Tavita
Metcalf
Barnett
Egan
Fisher-harris
Halasima
Niukore
Ale

Walker
Vaimauga
Clark
Laban

 

[Damo]

Thanks for the stats!
To preface, I’m a fan of both and just hope Webby backs whoever he chooses the keys for a good length of time to really show if they can and can’t do it.
BUT I wonder with halfbacks, esp with small sample sizes and in quite likely struggling teams(?) if you can fairly compare them.
What were the circumstances behind them getting the call up? What was the game plan? Were the forwards getting monstered? Did they have a dominant five-eighth or a rookie? Was the hooker doing much to attract attention around marker? All this type of stuff impacts how well the halfback ultimately looks (eye test and statistically).
EG Boyd has a ton of long kicking metres - is it cos he’s the man? Or were they going nowhere and he was the only one who can kick the leather off the ball?

Hence my 'without context' disclaimer at the top

 

[BangBro's (still banging)]

Why is everyone worried about Australians packing up and leaving? If that's the case then get rid of all Australians in our team!

Again, if TMM and Harris tavita are good enough to be selected then they will be selected.

Luke Metcalf is a lock in, whoever partners him is open to me, I think TMM will be ahead, but we need Australians in some positions because we just don't produce halves.

8 season for Martin and only twice played over 15 games, in a season. Who's to say he will be good enough in two season to command a spot here? I don't care if your kiwi or Australian, or Japanese! If you have taken a contract at the warriors, you are signaling your intentions to make a go of it here.

It does grind my gears how people will shit on a new signing before he's ever played a game for this club.

 

[Milking!]

Tuivasa-scheck
Pasikala
Leiataua
Berry
Watene-zelezniak
Harris-Tavita
Metcalf
Barnett
Egan
Fisher-harris
Halasima
Niukore
Ale

Walker
Vaimauga
Clark
Laban

Loving this lineup. Any info on Pasikala? Any notable players you could compare him to?

 

[Milking!]

Hence my 'without context' disclaimer at the top

It’s a rugger league forum. I was flat out reading all those numbers

 

[Dannevegas]

Loving this lineup. Any info on Pasikala? Any notable players you could compare him to?

Mix between To’o and Turuva maybe, he’s quite evasive and strong in contact. Has pace not top tier pace tho