NRL Potential Rookie Draft in the NRL

[Five&Last]

Cool let them go to Union and play a sport that never get watched. Drafts work in many sports, so saying young players wont go where drafted is demonstratably false.

Said just like Vlandys would.

They have other options at that age. It’s easy for them to code hop.

Prospects in America don’t have other options. Nothing else is going to come close in salary. Of course they are going to live wherever is paying them millions more than the next best alternative.

And? The NFL pioneered the way to dominance. All American basketball has done is squandered the half century head start they had.

NFL is no where near as successful as NBA at the moment. Look at TV deals and revenue. Look at player salaries. It’s not even close.

College and schools. Meaning it’s properly funded moving forward and has an organic fan base attached.

Ok sweet so you’re talking about fuck all money then..

Clubs would put up hundreds of thousands more than schools to put together age grade sides fly them around the country and put them in high performance centres. It’s not cheap to put a team in SG ball or Harold Matts, it’s why the Warriors didn’t want to do until recently.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Said just like Vlandys would.

He is the boss

Prospects in America don’t have other options. Nothing else is going to come close in salary. Of course they are going to live wherever is paying them millions more than the next best alternative.

What are you smoking? There’s 10x the pro sports in the US. You can be a pro arm wrestler.

NFL is no where near as successful as NBA at the moment. Look at TV deals and revenue. Look at player salaries. It’s not even close.

NFL overtook NBA in the 70s. You are confusing salaries with popularity.

Ok sweet so you’re talking about fuck all money then..

Yeah it’s the NRL, not Formula 1.

Clubs would put up hundreds of thousands more than schools to put together age grade sides fly them around the country and put them in high performance centres. It’s not cheap to put a team in SG ball or Harold Matts, it’s why the Warriors didn’t want to do until recently.

Are you arguing for a college / high school program now?

 

[Canonball]

This is another take on the draft. Not for rookies but a draft for the open market. I am still neutral on this as the devil is in the details.

“I hate the system”: Why Rogers is pushing for NRL to scrap current free agency model

Would this change work?

www.sen.com.au

This sort of thing would have better immediate effects than the tall order of a junior draft imo (the basic idea of I don't like either) - contract management in the nrl rn is not optimal, i think we can all agree on that - so much depends on local fiefdoms and the spiderwebs of agents and interchangable administrators, managers and media-personalities

 

[Inruin]

This sort of thing would have better immediate effects than the tall order of a junior draft imo (the basic idea of I don't like either) - contract management in the nrl rn is not optimal, i think we can all agree on that - so much depends on local fiefdoms and the spiderwebs of agents and interchangable administrators, managers and media-personalities

Isn't that effectively a restraint of trade or something like that? How does a player get the best deal for him? You will need to end up with an NRL decided value for each player?

Ben Hunt goes in the draft

Tigers have first pick as they are last on the table. They say yes we will take him at $650k. But the Roosters who have finished near the top of the table and have cash freed up by players leaving can offer him $900k.

Does it turn in to a real life version of one of Wrighty 's games with a silent auction, reverse snake scenario?

 

[Canonball]

Isn't that effectively a restraint of trade or something like that? How does a player get the best deal for him? You will need to end up with an NRL decided value for each player?

Ben Hunt goes in the draft

Tigers have first pick as they are last on the table. They say yes we will take him at $650k. But the Roosters who have finished near the top of the table and have cash freed up by players leaving can offer him $900k.

Does it turn in to a real life version of one of Wrighty 's games with a silent auction, reverse snake scenario?

valid point - just as fans we all like to have opinions on squad make up and tactics, the risk/reward of introducing draft or free agency systems is gamifying the commerce between clubs and players - my point was that there are already local points of leverage in this commerce system which tend to privilege some clubs over others and if there was a genuine attempt to level that out then that probably would be better? Always unforeseen ways of manipulating things of course - tanking being an infamous method

 

[Falcon]

No
To a Rookie Draft. No incentive to develop your playing pool as already pointed out by many.

Maybe
To a 1st Grade Draft - players not resigning with current clubs would enter this ending the nonsense that is signing for another club over a year in advance.
Player contracts / asking would need to be pre determined to ensure one side isn’t unfairly priced from sign a player who then signs for another club for $200K less.

What About
A Sliding Scale Salary Cap?
17th extra $500K - 1st $0
All off season signings are undertaken at seasons end in a signing window from Oct - Feb.
As above no more player signings a year in advance.

Players not picked up enter a free agency window during Jan/ Feb to allow clubs to pad out squad, manage unforeseen injuries prior to the season starting.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

No
To a Rookie Draft. No incentive to develop your playing pool as already pointed out by many.

So American high school and college sports arent a big thing?

 

[Inruin]

No
To a Rookie Draft. No incentive to develop your playing pool as already pointed out by many.

Maybe
To a 1st Grade Draft - players not resigning with current clubs would enter this ending the nonsense that is signing for another club over a year in advance.
Player contracts / asking would need to be pre determined to ensure one side isn’t unfairly priced from sign a player who then signs for another club for $200K less.

What About
A Sliding Scale Salary Cap?
17th extra $500K - 1st $0
All off season signings are undertaken at seasons end in a signing window from Oct - Feb.
As above no more player signings a year in advance.

Players not picked up enter a free agency window during Jan/ Feb to allow clubs to pad out squad, manage unforeseen injuries prior to the season starting.

Its a difficult one with players not resigning with their current club. On the one hand you get the 1st November thing the year prior to the contract finishing and potentially a player playing a season for the club knowing he is moving on afterwards. On the other hand it does give clubs, players and fans more certainty and time to manage their roster.

 

[Five&Last]

What are you smoking? There’s 10x the pro sports in the US. You can be a pro arm wrestler

And earn what?

You’re immediately giving up 5 - 8 million per year to do that

They are not options.

Again, I’m not sure you’re familiar with NBA salaries. You realise there’s players getting paid 60mil + per year.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

And earn what?

You’re immediately giving up 5 - 8 million per year to do that

They are not options.

Again, I’m not sure you’re familiar with NBA salaries. You realise there’s players getting paid 60mil + per year.

Bro what? Less valuable options are still options. Your argument all over the place, no one is arguing NBA salaries but you.

 

[Iridescent]

So American high school and college sports arent a big thing?

They are a big thing.

In America

 

[Iridescent]

Bro what? Less valuable options are still options. Your argument all over the place, no one is arguing NBA salaries but you.

I think you are missing the point, once an NBA player is drafted they are making millions and would happily play anywhere to get that money.

You just cannot compare it to the NRL where the players have all the power.

Any kind of draft system will never fly in the NRL as the players have too much power and would never agree to something like this.

 

[mrblonde]

Essentially and without going into the details, the concept of a Draft has a "Let's come up with something that helps make this competition as unpredictable as possible" feel about it, in this instance, by attempting to spread talent and skill amongst the 17 teams.
It's central fault is that it makes the wierd assumption that the coaches/cultures have not as much to do with success as everyone thinks and gee just if the Warriors got JFH and JH and KP they'd have a great season! JFH, JH and KP in a shitty environment with a dotard coaching setup will still end up with the Warriors not playing Finals Footy!
A draft could possibly work if every NRL team was based in one place so there's no incentive/disincentive in terms of moving closer to family/closer to a city you know since the NRL players are already doing that. With Auckland, Melbourne, Brisbane etc, even with a Draft that allows the worst teams first/best player picks (pretending for argument's sake that Melbourne suck - however GF Wins/Appearances I think they do suck I hate the bastards - as in are regular wooden spoon contenders!), you'll have Sydney-based players understandably a bit peeved that they've been told "it's next year in Auckland for you, cobber!"
Okay, maybe that won't matter with Melbourne and Brisbane (anyone know if there's widespread displeasure about Drafts in US Sports, for instance?), but it will matter for Auckland (and Christchurch if they get in).
I do think competitions need to have things inplace so that you're not thinking as Round 1 of the new season starts: "I wonder how many points Team Who Always Win will win the competition by this season?" (more non-fan-of-Same-Winner interest remains which means more money for the competition via match attendance, tv viewership, merch, etc, natch!) but think a draft frankly isn't a good way to go about it. Salary caps/spending caps based on revenue seem at least a fair bit more sensible.
On top of which, what do the RLPA reckon about this? If the players won't buy in to it, it's not going to takeoff, much less fly.

 

[Five&Last]

Bro what? Less valuable options are still options. Your argument all over the place, no one is arguing NBA salaries but you.

Because you’re comparing it to rugby league where comparable options earn just as much.

 

[Dantheman]

Essentially and without going into the details, the concept of a Draft has a "Let's come up with something that helps make this competition as unpredictable as possible" feel about it, in this instance, by attempting to spread talent and skill amongst the 17 teams.
It's central fault is that it makes the wierd assumption that the coaches/cultures have not as much to do with success as everyone thinks and gee just if the Warriors got JFH and JH and KP they'd have a great season! JFH, JH and KP in a shitty environment with a dotard coaching setup will still end up with the Warriors not playing Finals Footy!
A draft could possibly work if every NRL team was based in one place so there's no incentive/disincentive in terms of moving closer to family/closer to a city you know since the NRL players are already doing that. With Auckland, Melbourne, Brisbane etc, even with a Draft that allows the worst teams first/best player picks (pretending for argument's sake that Melbourne suck - however GF Wins/Appearances I think they do suck I hate the bastards - as in are regular wooden spoon contenders!), you'll have Sydney-based players understandably a bit peeved that they've been told "it's next year in Auckland for you, cobber!"
Okay, maybe that won't matter with Melbourne and Brisbane (anyone know if there's widespread displeasure about Drafts in US Sports, for instance?), but it will matter for Auckland (and Christchurch if they get in).
I do think competitions need to have things inplace so that you're not thinking as Round 1 of the new season starts: "I wonder how many points Team Who Always Win will win the competition by this season?" (more non-fan-of-Same-Winner interest remains which means more money for the competition via match attendance, tv viewership, merch, etc, natch!) but think a draft frankly isn't a good way to go about it. Salary caps/spending caps based on revenue seem at least a fair bit more sensible.
On top of which, what do the RLPA reckon about this? If the players won't buy in to it, it's not going to takeoff, much less fly.

There are literally players in the nba drafts who won’t workout with teams they don’t want to play for. So yea definitely some displeasure about draft locations in the USA.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Why are people acting like people dont relocate cities and countries for much lesser pay than an NRL player?

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Because you’re comparing it to rugby league where comparable options earn just as much.

Really? What options and what pay?

 

[Inruin]

Why are people acting like people dont relocate cities and countries for much lesser pay than an NRL player?

They aren't acting like that. Bit of a false equivalence argument there isn't it? What they are saying is being forced to move for that amount isn't comparable to American sports like the NBA who have a draft where rookies get significantly more, millions more.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

I’ve been watching the conversation and I’m going to flip. I was tentatively for it depending on the set up but I just don’t think it will work with different countries involved, and gun juniors will just leave lower teams ASAP anyway.

My issue is with the cap and talent pooling at preferred teams.

I think the solution needs to be aimed at somehow distributing older talent around more through carrot rather than stick.

 

[Five&Last]

They aren't acting like that. Bit of a false equivalence argument there isn't it? What they are saying is being forced to move for that amount isn't comparable to American sports like the NBA who have a draft where rookies get significantly more, millions more.

I don’t think it’s registering at all with this dude.