It is hard to pick the good guys.Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Side withfight for "freedom" and be part of the war machine.
Side withand fall into line or be the oppressed.
Fucked either way.
Not sure the yanks are anymore.
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Not sure the yanks are anymore.
Glad someone gave a TLDR..
Facts...
This is such a poor take. Ukarine and Israel have shown fall into line with the US or be repressed.Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Side with
Side with
Interested to hear you expand on these 'facts'.
People need to take a step back and think "what's the problem being solved?" Hungry kids not learning? Or fussy kids not eating?
Under-analysing & overreacting.
China is the same as Russia. In terms of everything you know about it is forced fed to you from western media.
The US war machine has been exposed in Ukraine. The great US military dominance is a myth, and all its fancy toys are only good for making a profit, or killing women and children. Everything from the Abrams to the M777 howie to the Jav are unsuited to long protracted conflicts in multiple operating environments.
China has zero reason to invade Taiwan, Taiwan will return to the fold willingly.
Interesting, thank you for your thoughts.
The China threat is not from western media rather from information I have been exposed to through work.
Agree with most of your other thoughts personally.
MrFrankWhite, the tension in the South China Sea. Is that "real" or is it the media/US propaganda? Is there resources there that a number of countries are disputing it or is it based on "historical" incidences when the various countries have, through winning a conflict, had "ownership" of it? Who, do you think, should "own" it and the islands there?Reason I ask is that I'm getting more and more concerned that we haven't been told the truth and that the Chinese claims are legitimate but the West sees it as Chinese expansion.
As in espionage? google 5 eyes.. Fuck me we built a facility a Pine Gap expressly for spying on China and Russia..
Of course theres mad tension. China is doing what the has done and setting conditions favourable for itself. Like the USA and Texas or Australia and East Timor. Countries have traditionally been US and Australian vassal states are pissed at us and wanting to align with China. Hence the PNG league team. But its all hypocrisy, I dont see an Chinese-Samoa do you?
Reason I ask is that I'm getting more and more concerned that we haven't been told the truth and that the Chinese claims are legitimate but the West sees it as Chinese expansion.
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For those with a spare $1.2 billion in their pocket, Bill Gates is supposed to be selling his new superyacht before he's even taken possession of it.
Bill Gates had previously been a rarity among his fellow billionaires by opting against owning a megayacht, instead preferring to rent during summer trips around the Mediterranean.
That all changed in 2020 when the retired 68-year-old commissioned the world’s first hydrogen-powered vessel of its kind, splashing out more than £500m ($1.1b) on what became known as Project 821.
Gates’ interest in a green yacht was first reported by the Telegraph, when rumours swept the highly secretive industry.
Four years and a pandemic later, the vessel is nearly complete. But Gates, who co-founded Microsoft and is the world’s fourth richest man, has put it up for sale via a specialist before it has even been delivered.
Brokers at Edmiston have been tasked with finding a buyer for the yacht, which is still housed at the Feadship yard in the Netherlands.
The asking price is understood to be a cool €675m ($1.2 billion), with reasons for the sale unclear.
In decades gone by, finding a buyer for a megayacht of this size may have been easy, as the super-rich have long desired their very own palace at sea.
However, the sale of Gates’ vessel comes at a rocky time for the yacht industry, which has been in decline ever since Vladimir Putin’s war started in Ukraine two years ago.
According to analysts at Berenberg, a recent drop-off in sales is “linked to the perception that yachting is significantly exposed to Russian clientele”, such as former Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.
Meanwhile, a reduction in orders could also indicate that even the wealthiest 0.1pc are facing the consequences of economic turmoil.
Project 821, as it is still known, is 119m long and 19m wide – putting it among the world’s largest pleasure cruisers, such as the 117m Koru owned by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
However, unlike other superyachts, Gates’ vessel is unique in that it contains a hydrogen power system, including a heavily insulated cryogenic tank containing 92cu m of liquefied hydrogen at minus 253C.
This is used to generate electricity in a bank of 16 compact fuel cells. The only exhaust from this process is water vapour, signalling Gates’ long-standing interest in alternative fuels.
The software tycoon, who has pledged to give most of his estimated $129bn fortune to good causes via the Gates Foundation, has been a leading advocate of decarbonising the energy system in recent years.
His green ambitions have led to him backing a series of clean energy start-ups through his multibillion-dollar fund Breakthrough, although Project 821 appeared more of a personal project for Gates, who was divorced from his wife Melinda in 2022.
According to Feadship, the space required for the hydrogen system added 4m to the yacht’s length.
Project 821 is not entirely hydrogen-powered, however, and is unable to make a long sea voyage running on green fuel alone.
Instead, hydrogen power can be used to help the yacht make shorter journeys, for instance leaving and entering harbour, travelling at speeds of up to 10 knots, propelled by two electric thruster units.
Feadship says that the vessel’s “hotel load” – the electricity for air conditioning, heating, cooking, lighting etc – can be run for a week on hydrogen only.
For longer journeys, or in the event that supplies of liquid hydrogen are not available, the yacht also has diesel generators with enough power to achieve top speeds of 17 knots.
These can be run on hydrotreated vegetable oil (HVO), described by Feadship as second-generation biofuel – that is, biofuel which is not made from food crops.
Clean energy aside, there is no doubt about the levels of luxury on board the superyacht.
For whoever can stump the cash, the new owner will be given access to an entire deck of their own, 37m above the waterline.
This is arranged as an apartment with two bedrooms, twin bathrooms and dressing rooms, a gym, a pantry, two offices each with a fireplace, and a living room.
Feadship doesn’t specify what type of fuel is burned in the yacht’s fireplaces, but it does go on to say: “The owner accommodation extends beyond a single deck.
“A unique and completely private vertical corridor extends to the lower deck. This includes both a spacious staircase lined with bookshelves and display nooks and an owners’ elevator.
“At each deck level, there are inviting private lifestyle destinations to savour such as a coffee corner and games niche on the bridge deck, a library on the main deck, and a private dining room with a sea terrace and adjacent ensuite stateroom on the lower deck.
“It creates, in essence, a secluded four-level townhouse-by-the-sea within the much larger yacht.”
The yacht also has 12 staterooms for guests, two cabins for members of the owner’s personal staff, accommodation for 44 crew and “a dedicated hospital”.
Guests aboard will no doubt be impressed by the “towering atrium staircase that wraps around a circular elevator” and the 8.2m pool with “contraflow” and two hot tubs, one on the upper sun deck and one in the pool area.
Other features include a spa, swim platform, beach club, library, cinema and a “cosy” underwater “Nemo lounge”.
“The balconies are unnoticeable when closed but slide out at the touch of a button, carrying with them their side railings or walls,” according to Feadship. “When fully deployed, their floors rise to become perfectly level with the interior room.”
More than 20,000 Toyota Mirai fuel cell cars have been sold around the world, which store their hydrogen as a high-pressure gas rather than a cryogenic liquid.
Road vehicles with liquefied hydrogen tanks have also been built.
These, like most liquefied gas storage systems, gradually lose their fuel to “boil off” when left parked, an issue which will also affect Project 821.
The process of liquefying the gas is also energy-intensive, meaning hydrogen is not always a low-carbon fuel.
The normal method of manufacturing hydrogen is by making it from natural gas, a process which produces carbon dioxide.
Almost all hydrogen produced today is made using this method, and as such is classed as “grey” hydrogen.
The aspiration is that vessels like Project 821 would be powered by “green” hydrogen, made by using zero-carbon electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.
Alternatively, if the carbon dioxide is captured and stored during the production of hydrogen from gas, it becomes “blue” hydrogen, almost as eco-friendly, though this is not yet done on a wide scale.
Feadship has plans to develop technology which could produce hydrogen from methanol.
Tanks for methanol would be much simpler and would store more energy than liquefied hydrogen alternatives.
As he said in an article for The New York Times earlier this year: “Very wealthy individuals should be making changes to their lifestyles to bring their emissions close to zero.
“If you fly in a private jet, as I do, you can afford the extra cost of sustainable aviation fuel made from low-carbon crops and water.
“Wealthy investors have the capital to take risks, and indeed, should be taking more of them.”
The Gates Foundation was contacted for comment.
www.nzherald.co.nz
Bill Gates to sell $1.2 billion green megayacht – before it’s even been delivered
Bill Gates had previously been a rarity among his fellow billionaires by opting against owning a megayacht, instead preferring to rent during summer trips around the Mediterranean.
That all changed in 2020 when the retired 68-year-old commissioned the world’s first hydrogen-powered vessel of its kind, splashing out more than £500m ($1.1b) on what became known as Project 821.
Gates’ interest in a green yacht was first reported by the Telegraph, when rumours swept the highly secretive industry.
Four years and a pandemic later, the vessel is nearly complete. But Gates, who co-founded Microsoft and is the world’s fourth richest man, has put it up for sale via a specialist before it has even been delivered.
Brokers at Edmiston have been tasked with finding a buyer for the yacht, which is still housed at the Feadship yard in the Netherlands.
The asking price is understood to be a cool €675m ($1.2 billion), with reasons for the sale unclear.
In decades gone by, finding a buyer for a megayacht of this size may have been easy, as the super-rich have long desired their very own palace at sea.
However, the sale of Gates’ vessel comes at a rocky time for the yacht industry, which has been in decline ever since Vladimir Putin’s war started in Ukraine two years ago.
According to analysts at Berenberg, a recent drop-off in sales is “linked to the perception that yachting is significantly exposed to Russian clientele”, such as former Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich.
Meanwhile, a reduction in orders could also indicate that even the wealthiest 0.1pc are facing the consequences of economic turmoil.
Project 821, as it is still known, is 119m long and 19m wide – putting it among the world’s largest pleasure cruisers, such as the 117m Koru owned by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos.
However, unlike other superyachts, Gates’ vessel is unique in that it contains a hydrogen power system, including a heavily insulated cryogenic tank containing 92cu m of liquefied hydrogen at minus 253C.
This is used to generate electricity in a bank of 16 compact fuel cells. The only exhaust from this process is water vapour, signalling Gates’ long-standing interest in alternative fuels.
The software tycoon, who has pledged to give most of his estimated $129bn fortune to good causes via the Gates Foundation, has been a leading advocate of decarbonising the energy system in recent years.
His green ambitions have led to him backing a series of clean energy start-ups through his multibillion-dollar fund Breakthrough, although Project 821 appeared more of a personal project for Gates, who was divorced from his wife Melinda in 2022.
According to Feadship, the space required for the hydrogen system added 4m to the yacht’s length.
Project 821 is not entirely hydrogen-powered, however, and is unable to make a long sea voyage running on green fuel alone.
Instead, hydrogen power can be used to help the yacht make shorter journeys, for instance leaving and entering harbour, travelling at speeds of up to 10 knots, propelled by two electric thruster units.
Feadship says that the vessel’s “hotel load” – the electricity for air conditioning, heating, cooking, lighting etc – can be run for a week on hydrogen only.
For longer journeys, or in the event that supplies of liquid hydrogen are not available, the yacht also has diesel generators with enough power to achieve top speeds of 17 knots.
These can be run on hydrotreated vegetable oil (HVO), described by Feadship as second-generation biofuel – that is, biofuel which is not made from food crops.
Clean energy aside, there is no doubt about the levels of luxury on board the superyacht.
For whoever can stump the cash, the new owner will be given access to an entire deck of their own, 37m above the waterline.
This is arranged as an apartment with two bedrooms, twin bathrooms and dressing rooms, a gym, a pantry, two offices each with a fireplace, and a living room.
Feadship doesn’t specify what type of fuel is burned in the yacht’s fireplaces, but it does go on to say: “The owner accommodation extends beyond a single deck.
“A unique and completely private vertical corridor extends to the lower deck. This includes both a spacious staircase lined with bookshelves and display nooks and an owners’ elevator.
“At each deck level, there are inviting private lifestyle destinations to savour such as a coffee corner and games niche on the bridge deck, a library on the main deck, and a private dining room with a sea terrace and adjacent ensuite stateroom on the lower deck.
“It creates, in essence, a secluded four-level townhouse-by-the-sea within the much larger yacht.”
The yacht also has 12 staterooms for guests, two cabins for members of the owner’s personal staff, accommodation for 44 crew and “a dedicated hospital”.
Guests aboard will no doubt be impressed by the “towering atrium staircase that wraps around a circular elevator” and the 8.2m pool with “contraflow” and two hot tubs, one on the upper sun deck and one in the pool area.
Other features include a spa, swim platform, beach club, library, cinema and a “cosy” underwater “Nemo lounge”.
14 retractable balconies
The yacht has no fewer than 14 retractable balconies.“The balconies are unnoticeable when closed but slide out at the touch of a button, carrying with them their side railings or walls,” according to Feadship. “When fully deployed, their floors rise to become perfectly level with the interior room.”
Hydrogen power
The yacht’s partial hydrogen power system is a new departure for the superyacht industry, but hydrogen has already been deployed at scale in the automotive sector.More than 20,000 Toyota Mirai fuel cell cars have been sold around the world, which store their hydrogen as a high-pressure gas rather than a cryogenic liquid.
Road vehicles with liquefied hydrogen tanks have also been built.
These, like most liquefied gas storage systems, gradually lose their fuel to “boil off” when left parked, an issue which will also affect Project 821.
The process of liquefying the gas is also energy-intensive, meaning hydrogen is not always a low-carbon fuel.
The normal method of manufacturing hydrogen is by making it from natural gas, a process which produces carbon dioxide.
Almost all hydrogen produced today is made using this method, and as such is classed as “grey” hydrogen.
The aspiration is that vessels like Project 821 would be powered by “green” hydrogen, made by using zero-carbon electricity to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.
Alternatively, if the carbon dioxide is captured and stored during the production of hydrogen from gas, it becomes “blue” hydrogen, almost as eco-friendly, though this is not yet done on a wide scale.
Feadship has plans to develop technology which could produce hydrogen from methanol.
Tanks for methanol would be much simpler and would store more energy than liquefied hydrogen alternatives.
Carbon-friendly lifestyle changes
These bold proposals are exactly what Gates is pushing for in his bid to save the world from a climate disaster, with or without his £579m megayacht.As he said in an article for The New York Times earlier this year: “Very wealthy individuals should be making changes to their lifestyles to bring their emissions close to zero.
“If you fly in a private jet, as I do, you can afford the extra cost of sustainable aviation fuel made from low-carbon crops and water.
“Wealthy investors have the capital to take risks, and indeed, should be taking more of them.”
The Gates Foundation was contacted for comment.
Bill Gates to sell $1.3 billion green megayacht – before it’s been delivered
Hydrogen-powered cruiser features 12 staterooms, two hot tubs and a submerged lounge.
www.nzherald.co.nz
Forget these.... I'm concerned more about how the NZ media doesn't fact check things but will treat some bureaucrats as if they can only speak the truth.Trend here:
Govt announces rule change to make water rates 20% cheaper and focus is negative around interest cost.
Govt announces huge investment in prisons and the focus is negative based on a press conference.
Govt announces extension of free lunch - more for cheaper, and the focus is negative about sushi being woke.
Lots of depth to our media… meanwhile the govt is starting to do some good stuff in the real world that’s going to make NZ a better place to live
Last week, the Reserve Bank's Adrain Orr was on TV and was asked why, when the latest two quarters of inflation figures showed the CPI was dropping, the RBNZ hadn't dropped the OCR yet. He said it was because the RBNZ didn't react on "trends" but needed 12 months' worth of CPI data to make sure inflation was under control and, like other central banks, didn't adjust the interest rates without that data otherwise it was only adjusting interest rates on speculation.
The problem with that statement is it doesn't coincide with the RBNZ's recent history. In March 2021, inflation was at its lowest but started to go up in April 2021. The RBNZ did the first increase of the OCR in October 2021.... not April 2022 when he would have had the whole 12 months' worth of data. Pity the interviewer hadn't researched the topic enough to ask why they put the OCR up with only six months of CPI data but can't reduce interest rates with only six month's worth of data.
Tragic
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Probably, my point is really that we are a small player so siding with any super power means we fall into line with their ideology.
It's not like nz politics where the tail can wag the dog or get any kind of equality or leverage in decision making.
Worried2Death
Contributor
1. no it makes me want to eat more woke sushi, might go get some now
2. not a big avo fan, tastes like a wet dish cloth. How do I know what wet dish cloths taste like? That's a question for another day.
Coldest day of the year forecast for tomorrow and we are warned of power cuts tomorrow morning, the national grid forecast to be unable to generate enough power.
Still we have this unabating push for electric vehicles. It is nonsense unless somehow we generate a lot more power which we can't with our existing generators.
While on the subject of electric vehicles, it is reported that Teslas depreciate 40% in the first year, then another 40% of the first year residual value in the second year. That is massive depreciation and leaves the second hand market awash with Teslas of little value, probably at a point of not fixing should repairs be needed.
Still we have this unabating push for electric vehicles. It is nonsense unless somehow we generate a lot more power which we can't with our existing generators.
While on the subject of electric vehicles, it is reported that Teslas depreciate 40% in the first year, then another 40% of the first year residual value in the second year. That is massive depreciation and leaves the second hand market awash with Teslas of little value, probably at a point of not fixing should repairs be needed.
I hadn't looked at the table for quite some time
UNDER INVESTMENT FOR YEARS IN RENEWABLES. THE ANSWER IS NOT MORE FOSSIL FUELS.
Worried2Death
Contributor
Don't do it for the foreseeable future either, stay zen bro.I hadn't looked at the table for quite some time
