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[sup42]

He was off his face in many of those interviews, he couldn’t get words out quick enough and got vocabulary muddled at times. That’s the thing with p, you just want to talk. I say p as opposed to meth because they are different in that p is pure, crystals. Could it be that some of the experts presiding over the case had a bearing in the jury’s decision? I truly can’t believe he was found innocent and makes me consider that if he wasn’t the prominent eye doctor, and perhaps just an average Joe, would they have come to the same conclusion? Certainly some oddities in their marriage also with her participation sexual adventures

yeah he was talkative and a bit fried.

 

[juju]

He was off his face in many of those interviews, he couldn’t get words out quick enough and got vocabulary muddled at times. That’s the thing with p, you just want to talk. I say p as opposed to meth because they are different in that p is pure, crystals. Could it be that some of the experts presiding over the case had a bearing in the jury’s decision? I truly can’t believe he was found innocent and makes me consider that if he wasn’t the prominent eye doctor, and perhaps just an average Joe, would they have come to the same conclusion? Certainly some oddities in their marriage also with her participation sexual adventures

I don't think the jury were to blame, I think Polkinghorne just had his legal team plant enough seeds of doubt with the case.
It was more a case of noting being able to find him guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

 

[sup42]

The Crown were weak.

The rope for instance. I was not aware that Gravity and rope was brand dependent. The Crown prosecutor should have shut that down for the ridiculous argument that it was.

As if the brand or type of rope is going to have any bearing on the effects of gravity and the human body.

Also the Jury only need ask themselves. Why does a Doctor, or anyone for that matter make an attempt at a concealed web search for the effects of strangulation. There is no explaining away that search by him.

The police investigation was weak. They should have swabbed the knots of the rope for her dna, the absence of it, and likely finding of his dna on the knots would be crucial.

If the victims neck was not broken by the hanging, then why were there no signs of clawing at the rope as happens during airway obstruction.

Lastly the bruising from hanging vs strangulation is quite different and distinctive, it really feels as though the forensic case was seriously let down somewhere in the chain. Either in the gathering of evidence or the presenting of it in court, somewhere the Crown was weak (that rope argument was telling in terms of how weak the prosecutor was).

 

[Noitall]

The Crown were weak.

The rope for instance. I was not aware that Gravity and rope was brand dependent. The Crown prosecutor should have shut that down for the ridiculous argument that it was.

As if the brand or type of rope is going to have any bearing on the effects of gravity and the human body.

Also the Jury only need ask themselves. Why does a Doctor, or anyone for that matter make an attempt at a concealed web search for the effects of strangulation. There is no explaining away that search by him.

The police investigation was weak. They should have swabbed the knots of the rope for her dna, the absence of it, and likely finding of his dna on the knots would be crucial.

If the victims neck was not broken by the hanging, then why were there no signs of clawing at the rope as happens during airway obstruction.

Lastly the bruising from hanging vs strangulation is quite different and distinctive, it really feels as though the forensic case was seriously let down somewhere in the chain. Either in the gathering of evidence or the presenting of it in court, somewhere the Crown was weak (that rope argument was telling in terms of how weak the prosecutor was).

I think they are proposing that she sat in a chair at the bottom of the balustrades with the rope being long enough for the person to reach the ground. His belt pattern matched the marks around her neck, so I presume they’re saying the belt was attached to the rope? That’s what I got from it and thought it an odd way of going about it. Another factor was the knot not sliding down the balustrades with the weight of the person hanging, so presume they’re saying she’s leaned in way in the chair to cut off air? Also even if that was to happen with him saying he was in the house, surely you’d hear the person choking?

 

[sup42]

I think they are proposing that she sat in a chair at the bottom of the balustrades with the rope being long enough for the person to reach the ground. His belt pattern matched the marks around her neck, so I presume they’re saying the belt was attached to the rope? That’s what I got from it and thought it an odd way of going about it. Another factor was the knot not sliding down the balustrades with the weight of the person hanging, so presume they’re saying she’s leaned in way in the chair to cut off air? Also even if that was to happen with him saying he was in the house, surely you’d hear the person choking?

That's right, they had to concoct a bizarre new way to commit suicide to make his crime look like suicide.
Unfortunately people get distracted by salacious titillations like orgies and sex workers - even this show spent too much air time on the third party mistress.

Had the program makers merely mentioned her, and showed the facts of the wife's death - it could all have been made very clear in one episode.

The google search told all. He did it.

 

[miket12]

Been following this story with interest for a while now. Be interesting what the coroner decides...

'We helped them': New twist in Beckenridge disappearance case

The coroner is to hear from a new witness about missing pair Mike and John Beckenridge.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[juju]

Been following this story with interest for a while now. Be interesting what the coroner decides...

'We helped them': New twist in Beckenridge disappearance case

The coroner is to hear from a new witness about missing pair Mike and John Beckenridge.

www.nzherald.co.nz

I found the podcast quite sad. I feel this case is definitely going to be a national enduring mystery for years.

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

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Bet this guy guy won’t slap a woman’s arse at a pub again

 

[sup42]

Stuff

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Bet this guy guy won’t slap a woman’s arse at a pub again

I doubt those bangers will torture someone and leave them alive next time either.

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

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Must have been some real screws loose to stab your child. Makes you wonder if she was given some retribution in prison

 

[sup42]

Stuff

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Must have been some real screws loose to stab your child. Makes you wonder if she was given some retribution in prison

She should have been in a forensic hospital for assessment.

She would have been isolated for a week minimum while the staff get a handle on the picture. She would also be monitored continuously when brought over to the main side (general population in lay terms).

Normally someone like her in the NZ system gets sent to Forensics by a judge for an initial two week period, then the Shrinks submit a report to the court - the judge makes a determination about the best place for them until they are scheduled or declared fit for trial.

The statement about found unresponsive is typically non committal, they use that phrase for Suicide also, it is a generic press statement.

Lots of pointers in this case to something being wayy off, but I don't want to speculate because it is distressing enough as it is.

 

[Noitall]

Stuff

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Thank goodness this former Kiwi cop was on this cruise. Could have been carnage running with some tweezers

 

[sup42]

Stuff

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Thank goodness this former Kiwi cop was on this cruise. Could have been carnage running with some tweezers

Sounds like a classic case of dementia unfolding (the facts of the case, the shuffling gait into court all point that way, the uncharacteristic behavior etc).

Looking after ex cops and ex boxers etc is hard in the health care setting.

 

[Kav1]

As I have said in the other crime threads, New Zealand has it's own serial killers, but like every country in the world, before the first big ones are identified, the culture is to deny you have them.

Case and point, Citizen X, the movie about Russian serial killer Andrei Chikatilo.

If you have not seen that film it is one of the best crime movies ever made.

The Russians refused to believe that their society could have the American disease = serial killers....primarily because they (not unlike NZ) refuse to believe their people are like that, and therefore they never look logically at their missing persons stats.

Eight thousand Kiwis are reported missing annually.

Ninety five percent of cases get solved in the first two weeks.

Sounds good right?

Except that leaves over seven hundred cases.

Some will be solved beyond the two week mark, sixty of them will be solved as murder cases.

But the many thousands that are never solved do not get talked about by our Police because what can they do?

The Police are not served well by some random like me pointing out that many hundreds are never found year upon year, meaning thousands in a decade.

Even though we all should be well aware by now that this country has more than one Serial killer operating un detected in any era, and by now we will have dozens.

We are like the Mayor in JAWS, tourism and Safe NZ do not need someone sniffing around into the permanent disappearance of hundreds of people who are never seen again.

Even the cops know we have serial killers, but like I say, what can they do apart from promote the line that they on top of the problem and lie and say we do not have a serial killer problem....even though they know we have....but denying it works.

The sixty solved murders a year should tell you that out of that sixty at least a couple of dozen were not first timers, and maybe in that group the Cops do weed out, you could say at least half a dozen have killed multiple times before they were caught.

If you Google New Zealand serial killers Hayden Poulter comes up (bit of a joke that our only acknowledged serial killer is a clown I used to look after from the nineties).

What are we expected to believe here? that people keep going missing and that serial killers are not a problem...only the one that was caught nearly thirty years ago?

This is while we know serial Killer Travis Burns who the police paid out and gave a secret identity was then allowed to kill another woman....while the cops refuse to admit he had killed before.
The cops will never admit that they were conned into using him as a secret witness in a crime he committed.

Nigel Latter tried to out Travis Burns and I would like to have a chat with him one day about the dozens of other serial killers our cops refuse to acknowledge and therefore allow to continue to make many hundreds of NZ'ders disappear every year, which adds up to thousands of Kiwis per decade.

It is a bloody outrage but there you go, NZ is celebrated for selling itself as some bullshit Pavlova half acre paradise.

This is a country that has children tortured, burnt with cigarettes and beaten to death, yet suckers believe we have no Ted Bundy's here.

Then there are thousands who never get to see the light of day or draw breath.

 

[watcher]

As an ex cop I believe more emphasis should be put on missing persons. However, the numbers are skewed. A lot of these missing turn up and the Police are not told so they are still missing statistically.