Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[Brightman]

don't throw all māori under the bus just because you disagree with a small minority.

When I see the antics of MPs' from the māori party I've parliament or the massive financial gains from yeah settlements to iwi who are registered as charities or even worse the privilege to free bowel screening at age 50 based on skin colour while others wait 10 more years to see if healthcare can beat cancer to the finish line..

it's little wonder there are people who feel this way

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Who's claiming it's a virtue though?

This is wildly disingenuous coming from you. You aren’t that obtuse.

 

[Kaos A.D.]

Pure Frank bigotry in action. He knows exactly what he's doing.

of course he does, hes a smart guy

 

[Worried2Death]

Pure Frank bigotry in action. He knows exactly what he's doing.

I don't know what 3 Waters has to do with the Romans, going back to the Naughty Chair thread, somehow it seems safer

 

[MrFrankWhite]

don't throw all māori under the bus just because you disagree with a small minority.

Finally this actually has very little to do with every day māori people. It’s why I’m not making generalisations saying “māori are all x”.

It’s got far more to do with governance and the foundation of society than the individual.

 

[Worried2Death]

This is wildly disingenuous coming from you. You aren’t that obtuse.

Well I never claimed neolithic culture is some sort of virtue, and don't know anyone who does, do you?

 

[Kaos A.D.]

When I see the antics of MPs' from the māori party I've parliament or the massive financial gains from yeah settlements to iwi who are registered as charities or even worse the privilege to free bowel screening at age 50 based on skin colour while others wait 10 more years to see if healthcare can beat cancer to the finish line..

it's little wonder there are people who feel this way

thats the problem bro... just because the māori party has māori in it you tare all māori with the same brush.... whats the percentage of that party 2percent?.... that should give you a clue about where it stands with the Majority of māori.... do better

 

[MaybeTop8]

When I see the antics of MPs' from the māori party I've parliament or the massive financial gains from yeah settlements to iwi who are registered as charities or even worse the privilege to free bowel screening at age 50 based on skin colour while others wait 10 more years to see if healthcare can beat cancer to the finish line..

it's little wonder there are people who feel this way

Fuck me why hold back all your racist bile. Well done.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Well I never claimed neolithic culture is some sort of virtue, and don't know anyone who does

Oh really? There's zero institutions that prioritize indigenous perspectives in NZ?

 

[MaybeTop8]

of course he does, hes a smart guy

In a dunning kruger kind of way......sure......I can see that.

 

[Kaos A.D.]

We are like 3 posts away from “We waz kings”

what kings? .... bro do you think Im deep into my māori culture I know white kids that know more about māori and Te Reo then i will ever know.

 

[Worried2Death]

Oh really? There's zero institutions that prioritize indigenous perspectives in NZ?

Do they prioritise or just include?

 

[Brightman]

thats the problem bro... just because the māori party has māori in it you tare all māori with the same brush.... whats the percentage of that party 2percent?.... that should give you a clue about where it stands with the Majority of māori.... do better

Well you're not wrong, it's definitely optics! I agree that māori absolutely need better political representation.
Also just because I've made a couple of points to consider, that doesn't make me a racist, I haven't mistreated someone based on skin colour or culture have I..

 

[Worried2Death]

what kings? .... bro do you think Im deep into my māori culture I know white kids that know more about māori and Te Reo then i will ever know.

Bring back Toyota Cup, we was kings of that

 

[MrFrankWhite]

what kings? .... bro do you think Im deep into my māori culture I know white kids that know more about māori and Te Reo then i will ever know.

Piss take of my African brethren. Probably too niche for here. And while I never said anything of the sort, I do agree there are some absolute Caucasian fanatics who fetishize māori. I've suffered at their hands since 99% of non māori / PI think I am māori.

Good time to post this.

View: https://x.com/2eteka/status/1872034120110387548?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

 

[Brightman]

Fuck me why hold back all your racist bile. Well done.

Good one, typical emotive response..

 

[Kaos A.D.]

Well you're not wrong, it's definitely optics! I agree that māori absolutely need better political representation.
Also just because I've made a couple of points to consider, that doesn't make me a racist, I haven't mistreated someone based on skin colour or culture have I..

most māori go with Labour, National or Winny, Moari are just your run of the mill centrist.... and no i dont think that, didnt cross my mind

 

[Kaos A.D.]

Piss take of my African brethren. Probably too niche for here. And while I never said anything of the sort, I do agree there are some absolute Caucasian fanatics who fetishize māori. I've suffered at their hands since 99% of non māori / PI think I am māori.

Good time to post this.

View: https://x.com/2eteka/status/1872034120110387548?s=46&t=N6rrXot3pBpvv2hdvhmStw

see you can understand what māori go through, just brush up on the BillyT humour and you halfway there.... you could even try be Billys daughter in the skit.... go full radical, you might actually like it

 

[Worried2Death]

see you can understand what māori go through, just brush up on the BillyT humour and you halfway there.... you could even try be Billys daughter in the skit.... go full radical, you might actually like it

I think we've heard enough about his fetishes, he should have stopped after that time he told us how he dresses up as Caligula

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Seen as we’re on the slippery slip of race today:

I’m very involved in the Rotorua community which is predominantly Māori. What I always notice is Māori are a lot more family and community orientated in their thinking and time as opposed to other cultures which are more individualistic.

There are positives and negatives to this cultural observation.

Now if we accept that outcomes are predicated by the inputs, there is no way we will end up with similar outcomes when culturally we have vastly different priorities.

The attempts to skew policy and advantage groups to give equal outcomes seems fraught and destined to fail in the longer term if you don’t equalise the underlying differences that make up each culture.To change outcomes fundamentally you need to change the people.

Do Māori want to be more individualistic (eg more personal responsibility for their own individual health) if it means losing the communal community mindset that makes them happy? That’s the only way I see equal outcomes. Or should we be happy with differences and accept we will have different outcomes?

The whole issues is when cultures say they want to keep different cultural priorities but expect the same outcomes that different priorities deliver.

Flowing on from this, the focus is always on negative Māori outcomes. But there are lots of outcomes where Māori have better outcomes that we don’t highlight. More secure within their family unit; more loved; better family and community supported; etc than other cultures. Would Māori trade this for better individualistic outcomes?

Just my thought for the day.