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[Damo]

But they are just writing an article based on Massey university polling and research…

I'm obviously talking in general, not the specific article.

 

[Damo]

So the university doesn’t know what it was talking about and doesn’t understand statistics

Post some facts then to support your case. I’m open to it…

What case? I'm just making observations, I have not taken any side.

 

[Noitall]

So, every survey and poll would be considered the same then? I don't think it's inappropriate to post this survey as a rebuttal to an unsubstantiated post claiming the media is predominantly right biased. Considering the majority of articles this year have seemed to be anti the government and their policies, I'm not seeing any justification for the original post.

The American election was expected to be close judging by polling, didn’t happen. Many feel that particular polls are friendly to particular parties. As your mate John Nick says, never spoken to anyone who’s been been involved in one? Can’t blame media for reporting the truth, shit government, shit policy

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

The American election was expected to be close judging by polling, didn’t happen. Many feel that particular polls are friendly to particular parties. As your mate John Nick says, never spoken to anyone who’s been been involved in one? Can’t blame media for reporting the truth, shit government, shit policy

If we can’t trust independent university research then there is no truth is there?

Trump would agree!

Let’s all head back down our rabbit holes and be happy our views right because everyone around us agrees

 

[Noitall]

Same way they can project elections with a fraction of the vote counted.

They sent 1200 invitations but adjusted data based on the per capita number. Not that complicated

Yeah I remember in 2020, trump was on his way back into the white house after the early votes counted. Then lost. Full proof those polls and early counts

 

[Noitall]

If we can’t trust independent university research then there is no truth is there?

Trump would agree!

Let’s all head back down our rabbit holes and be happy our views right because everyone around us agrees

Not sure it’s the university people are sceptical of

 

[Inruin]

The American election was expected to be close judging by polling, didn’t happen. Many feel that particular polls are friendly to particular parties. As your mate John Nick says, never spoken to anyone who’s been been involved in one? Can’t blame media for reporting the truth, shit government, shit policy

That's really not the argument at all though.

I see no evidence to suggest that the media is predominantly right leaning. In fact the only real evidence appears to be quite contrary to that statement.

And the irony is you are dismissing surveys when you have been posting quoting one yourself very recently.

 

[Noitall]

That's really not the argument at all though.

I see no evidence to suggest that the media is predominantly right leaning. In fact the only real evidence appears to be quite contrary to that statement.

You tried to give it relevancy by saying every survey or poll would be the same and I gave you an example of a poll being hugely wrong, which I think what we’re discussing is. You mightn’t see evidence media is predominantly right, but I don’t see evidence media is predominantly left as what’s being made

 

[Damo]

Anecdotally, the general media appears very left leaning. I remember TV1 (I think) firing a toy gun at a Trump toy. Seemed quite unprofessional

 

[Inruin]

You tried to give it relevancy by saying every survey or poll would be the same and I gave you an example of a poll being hugely wrong, which I think what we’re discussing is. You mightn’t see evidence media is predominantly right, but I don’t see evidence media is predominantly left as what’s being made

I haven't said any of that regarding every poll or survey being the same.
I don't know if the media are more right or left leaning (my perception is they are more left leaning) but based on the only evidence provided I can't see any support for the statement they are heavily right leaning.

I mean it's fine if you think the government is shit and has shit policies but blindly supporting an unsubstantiated comment in the face of contrary evidence supplied based on an argument that the survey could be wrong seems a bit of a stretch to me.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

The point was it wasn't 1000 people, it was 359...

This is a telling post that you dont understand stats. Which is more reliable 359/1200 or 1000/5000000?

 

[Bay39er]

Considering the majority of articles this year have seemed to be anti the government and their policies, I'm not seeing any justification for the original post.

Surely that is what you would expect of a good journalist in a democracy as their task is to hold the incumbent government to account which means “being” left when the right are in power and vice versa.

Leftish comments will sound biased to a right winger and rightist comments biased to a lefty

 

[MaybeTop8]

That's really not the argument at all though.

I see no evidence to suggest that the media is predominantly right leaning. In fact the only real evidence appears to be quite contrary to that statement.

And the irony is you are dismissing surveys when you have been posting quoting one yourself very recently.

Jaysis, just listen to zb most times of the day.

 

[MaybeTop8]

I'll say it again. The output of a network or organisation isn't based on personal voting preferences of their journalists.

The exception here is of course opinion pieces, which will be undoubtedly closer to their own preferences.

It's telling that the majority who have commented here see the media as more left leaning. I find that bizarre. Listen to zb. Read the herald. Any of nzme's businesses. Read the business outlets. If that's your world maybe getting out of the dominance of these echo chambers might help.

 

[Inruin]

Jaysis, just listen to zb most times of the day.

Come on mate, even you are better than that, surely.

 

[Damo]

This is a telling post that you dont understand stats. Which is more reliable 359/1200 or 1000/5000000?

Where did I judge the reliability? I was just disagreeing with him saying it was 1000 people that were surveyed.

 

[Inruin]

Surely that is what you would expect of a good journalist in a democracy as their task is to hold the incumbent government to account which means “being” left when the right are in power and vice versa.

Leftish comments will sound biased to a right winger and rightist comments biased to a lefty

Of a good journalist yes.

 

[Noitall]

I haven't said any of that regarding every poll or survey being the same.
I don't know if the media are more right or left leaning (my perception is they are more left leaning) but based on the only evidence provided I can't see any support for the statement they are heavily right leaning.

I mean it's fine if you think the government is shit and has shit policies but blindly supporting an unsubstantiated comment in the face of contrary evidence supplied based on an argument that the survey could be wrong seems a bit of a stretch to me.

What was the point you were trying to make when you said “so, every survey or poll would be considered the same then”?

 

[Inruin]

What was the point you were trying to make when you said “so, every survey or poll would be considered the same then”?

My point was that you have disregarded the evidence provided here based on the survey not capturing everyone. Yet you have posted previously quoting and referencing a survey that doesn't capture everyone to make your point. So either surveys are or aren't relevant.

Either way, in this instance I haven't seen any proof provided to back up the statement that the press are predominantly right leaning.

 

[Noitall]

Anecdotally, the general media appears very left leaning. I remember TV1 (I think) firing a toy gun at a Trump toy. Seemed quite unprofessional

With what’s considered the left, you don’t often see them as big gun enthusiasts. Perhaps it was just a poor attempt of humour with the props at hand? Perhaps not everyone that dislikes trump is left leaning? Very surprised anyone would think to offer that joke after apparent assassination attempts. Poor form indeed