Politics 🗳️ NZ Politics

[wizard of Tauranga]

They are doing great things in the renewable space and EVs. The US has inadvertently helped build up a monster of industry.
They show a model of capitalism in a sort of socialist market economy that seems to work fairly well (but with an authoritarian govt) - I do wonder if you could have a similar model but with a democratic government.

Question:

Do we believe that economic advancement is the key driver of technological breakthroughs needed to address our current crises—such as climate change, environmental degradation, and stagnant standards of living?

To me, the examples of China and historically the U.S., show that rapid technological progress is essential to meeting these challenges. This requires harnessing economic growth to fuel innovation, rather than relying on a strategy like New Zealand's, which seeks to be green while actively limiting the economic foundation to support such ambitious goals.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

weak policy that doesn't address structural issues within NZ.

Which are? And what are your solutions?

I was reading about the US in the 1950 where they introduced huge company tax above 50%. It resulted in reinvestment back into growing businesses to avoid the tax. Which led to a boom in business, innovation, R&D and wealth for employees as the US had a huge period of growth and wealth.

This fundamentally shifted incentives to growing business owners assets instead of growing owners salaries (drawings) without the business owners being worse off.

I like this idea. But in a worldwide economy, companies would just relocate overseas and governments would want the funding and wouldn’t want it to be reinvested as much (wealth taxes)

 

[Noitall]

Interesting projection graph from UN IDO - The Future of Industrialisation report.
Looks like China is the economy to get behind.

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Do you think under trump that we’re going to be forced to choose a side? The whole dynamic seems distorted too though with trump and Russia seemingly having ties, and Russia and China having ties

 

[Rizzah]

Question:

Do we believe that economic advancement is the key driver of technological breakthroughs needed to address our current crises—such as climate change, environmental degradation, and stagnant standards of living?

To me, the examples of China and historically the U.S., show that rapid technological progress is essential to meeting these challenges. This requires harnessing economic growth to fuel innovation, rather than relying on a strategy like New Zealand's, which seeks to be green while actively limiting the economic foundation to support such ambitious goals.

Lol, our biggest limitation is our failure to effectively leverage government capital to drive innovation and sustainable growth. We're under investing across the board, yet somehow expecting the private sector to magically deliver productivity gains.

 

[Rizzah]

Do you think under trump that we’re going to be forced to choose a side? The whole dynamic seems distorted too though with trump and Russia seemingly having ties, and Russia and China having ties

If Trump goes through with his tariffs there will only be one side to choose.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

If Trump goes through with his tariffs there will only be one side to choose.

I support small tariffs if it promotes local and sustainable.

Sending our primary produce over seas to get cut up and shipped back to us is daft.

Seeing our milk and butter cheaper overseas than we can buy it’s at home is crazy.

 

[wizard of Tauranga]

Lol, our biggest limitation is our failure to effectively leverage government capital to drive innovation and sustainable growth. We're under investing across the board, yet somehow expecting the private sector to magically deliver productivity gains.

You believe innovation is driven by the public sector and government?

Is this how the US became the innovation capital of the world?

I would say it’s the other way around. We need to support private businesses to become huge which provides the tax base to invest in infrastructure.

(Obviously a lot more nuanced than these simple statements)

 

[snake77]

Headline yesterday that Willie Jackson calling someone a liar. This made me laugh.

Willie Jackson, the same guy who made up opposition policies during the election. When questioned he said he gets flustered and makes stuff up.

 

[miket12]

If Trump goes through with his tariffs there will only be one side to choose.

It's interesting that just when the Chinese are getting ahead of the Americans in terms of new EV technology such as the delivery of solid state batteries in a few year's time, that Musk is supporting Trump and his tariffs. It's been suggested that soon EV's from China will soon be selling in greater number that domestic EV's in the States. It couldn't possibly be a selfish move on behave of Musk to protect his interests in Tesla EV's?

Very strange bed pals those two. One who denies climate change and another who has increased his wealth fighting it.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

It's interesting that just when the Chinese are getting ahead of the Americans in terms of new EV technology such as the delivery of solid state batteries in a few year's time, that Musk is supporting Trump and his tariffs. It's been suggested that soon EV's from China will soon be selling in greater number that domestic EV's in the States. It couldn't possibly be a selfish move on behave of Musk to protect his interests in Tesla EV's?

Very strange bed pals those two. One who denies climate change and another who has increased his wealth fighting it.

Pure battery EVs don’t sell without subsidies. PHEV do however.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

I see the parliament haka is doing the global news rounds. Interesting to see it’s over use has seen people starting to react negatively.

 

[Funky Ed Koosie]

I see the parliament haka is doing the global news rounds. Interesting to see it’s over use has seen people starting to react negatively.

Pakeha criticizing the haka, colour me shocked.

 

[Funky Ed Koosie]

Crazy reading and listening to the racist outrage over the parliament haka yesterday framing seymour and his pervs as victims and how terrifying it must of been for them, but when that dirty scum pervert old cunt broke into Hanas house before the election wanting to do who knows what to her, the media, opposition and racist opposition supporters said she was overreacting and treating the perpetrator as the victim.
Pretty much sums up right wing racist victim mentality.

 

[Noitall]

I see the parliament haka is doing the global news rounds. Interesting to see it’s over use has seen people starting to react negatively.

Māori are being looked at as an indigenous people that won’t be pushed around and I think this further just adds to that. Native American representatives have been over here meeting Māori leaders recently and that’s been the case with Aboriginal leaders in the past. I think there’s an us against them sentiment growing with indigenous people all over the world

 

[MrFrankWhite]

Māori are being looked at as an indigenous people that won’t be pushed around and I think this further just adds to that. Native American representatives have been over here meeting Māori leaders recently and that’s been the case with Aboriginal leaders in the past. I think there’s an us against them sentiment growing with indigenous people all over the world

When I grew up in the 80s and 90s the haka was respected almost universally. Then as it become a co-opted for more and more activities, the prevailing attitudes towards it has changed.

 

[juju]

When I grew up in the 80s and 90s the haka was respected almost universally. Then as it become a co-opted for more and more activities, the prevailing attitudes towards it has changed.

What a ludicrous & ignorant comment.
Haka has been used as protest for hundreds of years.

The Maori Party aren't co opting the haka - gimme a break.

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What a ludicrous & ignorant comment.
Haka has been used as protest for hundreds of years.

The Maori Party aren't co opting the haka - gimme a break.

I didnt say they were

 

[juju]

I didnt say they were

What's the context around saying it's overused? you mean for sports?

 

[Noitall]

When I grew up in the 80s and 90s the haka was respected almost universally. Then as it become a co-opted for more and more activities, the prevailing attitudes towards it has changed.

I think in terms of haka, Māori culture is so much more intimidating than what other Pacific nations offer. I thought the Tongan hymns that went around while they were playing was beautiful and I think there are some beautiful Waiata’s that could be used similarly. Would draw the line at Oma Rapeti though

 

[MrFrankWhite]

What's the context around saying it's overused? you mean for sports?

Used for a lot of things. Social media saturation doesnt help. Funerals, sports, education etc. Of course lots of racists are jumping on it, they jump on everything. But the Welcome to County is facing a similar sort of thing here in Aus.