General Why has this team fallen off a cliff?

[WellingtonOrca]

They need to find out who it is and cut them asap!!! I had the same thing in my work place, anyone who wanted to Up skill, work hard and try get promoted got brought down. I weeded them out, got rid of them and the results have never been better. That crabs in a bucket mentality is a sure way to never improve.

There's no players still around from ET's days apart from Shaun Johnson. Sounds a lot like #robbiemears inside info from Elliot about that era that was along the lines of Shaun Johnson having conflict with "certain senior players at the time that were content with not making the finals because it meant less work"

 

[wizards rage]

We are being physically outmuscled and dominated. Then make the mistakes and our defences falls apart.

Sironen, Tevaga, Aitken just get dominated and pushed back for forwards, even if individually they can tackle.

Berry and Walsh are lightweight. Montoya and Dallin Watene-Zelezniak don’t have the bulk as winger for doing hit ups. With 2 halves and a hooker naturally being smaller, that’s 10 of our starting 13 that are smaller than everage for their position. We lack penetration in attack and fatigue ourselves in defence.

WE ARE TO SMALL.

Addin Fonua-Blake being injured, Lodge leaving and Katoa not pushing on has crippled us.

And on Katoa… him, Walsh and Berry have failed to improve and grow as players this season. Brown was supposed to be a development coach. We staked our season on developing the young guys by having so many in the squad. But the lack of growth in all our juniors have turned the roster into a mess. Poor coaching…

 

[Beastmode]

There's no players still around from ET's days apart from Shaun Johnson. Sounds a lot like #robbiemears inside info from Elliot about that era that was along the lines of Shaun Johnson having conflict with "certain senior players at the time that were content with not making the finals because it meant less work"

A great man once said.

You either die a hero, or you live long enough to become the villain.

 

[AusWarriorsFan]

The players we hoped would lift to an NRL standard is not happening. And that is frustrating some players who still want us to succeed, so they then speak out about it, making them look the bad guy, when in reality we dont have somebody keeping ALL of the players honest, it shouldnt be up to players to point fingers, but sadly thats where we are at.

Essentially we are not in Unison about not being "lazy" and being at a level that is well above what we are currently.

That is the players, but we have an irregular looking "Club" and that imo filters down to the players. We do not have one SINGULAR figure (not a person at the management level) standing there, DEMANDING they lift to levels we know they are capable of, but of which right now they cannot be bothered.

Also, lets be real, we know where the points are being scored THROUGH our team. 5 mistakes last night with 85% possession should not cost 24 points. If you do not have players capable of defending mistakes then you are screwed. Yet we do seem to be doing nothing about plugging those areas leaking points. Along with that, going back to an Individual (aka Coach) capable of holding players to that standard in defense, DEMANDING they lift beyond what they feel "comfortable" with.

But a coach cannot DEMAND that level of defense, if the players are not empowered with the skills, strategy and most of all Unity.

So the way I see it, the main problem is we do not have somebody staunch holding us accountable to standards that we may not be comfortable with but are essential to succeed in the NRL level, which is a grueling 24rd competition, not 1 game, 24 games of being accountable to use the Empowerment of Skills and Strategy.

 

[6Again]

It may seem like a cliff but I think the answer to the OP’s question has been slowly revealing itself as the seasons unfolded.

A young and largely inexperienced playing group without strong leadership, succumbing to an infectious erosion of confidence due to the compounding effects of pressure and adversity over a long period of time.

Throw in a few other meaningful variables and that’s the 2022 season so far.

 

[Aman]

Young team, 3 years away from home, inept coaching staff, low character player recruitment, no leadership and a clueless owner.

Not hard to figure out what’s happening here.

 

[TheSadButcher]

It's culture. All the rubbish decision-making, compromise, and lack of club leadership.
Good football comes from good foundations. Do we as fans trust the club ... then why would we expect the players to?
Can anyone give their best for something untrustworthy?

 

[Peewee]

Haha we almost jog backwards as the ball player approaches our line. Other teams are in our face before the dummy half even picks the ball up - usually offside but still effort is there…

You can see that
I can see that
One day the coach may see it also

 

[ArtySubs]

Said it for years, why are the warriors obsessed with being the saviours of NZRL?
They are an ARL franchise, their objective is to win a Premiership, not to give kiwi league players a job or to make The Kiwis stronger, yet this seems to be every owners objective.
As a fan just win a premiership, if the best players don’t want to live in NZ base yourself in Sydney/QLD and just play your home games in Auckland, travels still the same only thing you don’t do is train in Auckland, on that subject Mg Smart is pretty average let’s be honest.
I just want a premiership, the international game is bullshit because SOO reigns supreme, if NZ players are good enough they’ll make it with the warriors or other teams the comp is stacked with players from NZ junior clubs, it almost seems the club exists to give the ones not good enough a job.
Let’s get real here.

 

[playdaball]

Our last game against the titans at MSS could be a battle for the spoon .

 

[6Again]

Our last game against the titans at MSS could be a battle for the spoon .

Yup, we’ve been through some shitty seasons supporting this club but this year we‘re in a very real battle for the spoon.

 

[Worried2Death]

Our biggest problem is that we can't get elite coaches and players to move to NZ, with a few obvious exceptions it's just too difficult to persuade Aussies to relocate, especially if they have young families. So we end up with last chancers like Browny implementing failed methods with locals from inferior development systems where league is a poor cousin to union. There's no short term solution outside of a master coach agreeing to take on the job, in reality we're left with the likes of Tooves or Walker bros desperate for a chance and hoping to fluke a miracle. Not very hopeful I know, just the facts as I see them, we'll be pushing shit uphill for the foreseeable future.

 

[paycheck]

From NRL stats:

• 242 Total points: 11th (#1 Panthers 416)​
• 41 Tries: 12th (#1 Storm 71)​
• 48% Possession: 14th= (#1 Panthers 54%)​
• 668 Supports: 14th (#10 Storm 708, #5 Panthers 765)​
• 76% Set completions: 9th (#1 Eels 83%)​
• 49 Line breaks: 12th (#1 Storm 78)​
• 7,011 Post contact metres: 11th (#1 Panthers 8948)​
• 336 Tackle busts: 14th (#1 Titans 459, #2 Sharks 451)​
• 19,737 Run metres: 14th (#1 Panthers 25,832)​
• 2,049 Kick return metres: 12th (#1 Panthers 3,146, #11 Storm 2,081)​
• 117 Dummy half runs: 10th (#1 Storm 178, #9 Rabbitohs 118)​
• 99 Offloads: 16th (#1 Raiders 183)​
• 34 Try assists: 12th (#1 Panthers 64)​
• 30 Line break assists: 15th= (#1 Sharks 62)​
• 4,711 Tackles: 3rd= (#16 Storm 3,769)​
• 457 Missed tackles: 2nd (#16 Sharks 377)​
• 7,500 Kick metres: 7th (#1 Panthers 8,024)​
• 2x 40/20 Kicks: 3rd= (#1 Panthers 3x)​
• 148 Errors: 6th (#16 Eels 121, #1 Rabbitohs 166)​
• 227 Ineffective tackles: 6th (#16 Cowboys 175, #8 Storm 221)​
• 84 Penalties conceded: 7th (#1 Storm 95, #16 Eels 58)​
• 131 Handling errors: 4th (#15= Eels & Panthers 103)​

Average would be 12th position.

Best stats: 76% Set completions: 9th; 7,500 Kick metres: 7th; 2x 40/20 Kicks: 3rd=;

Worst stats: 99 Offloads: 16th; Everything else.

 

[Teeps4Shore]

Scott Robertson of the crusaders said last week after beating the chiefs “Defence wins championships”. Defence is all attitude. Its respect for the jersey and those who support the club. It’s about legacy. I wonder how much Roger Tuivasa-Sheck leaving has stuffed us? He WAS that leader we needed to raise standards. I also think we are WAY to lazy as a group, preferring mateship over results.

I think we are lost and in the abyss right now.
Our next coach and assistants have a massive job getting us to a place where we can compete each week. Right now, we play for about 20 minutes then fall to bits for 60.

It’s a shit sandwich we are being forced to consume. And that’s not right.

 

[mrblonde]

It, ah, also doesn't help when our esteemed/steamrolled by the opposition (delete which option you feel is less accurate) New Zealand Warriors rugby league team has its fans in a forum with that BLIMMIN' SILVERTAILS LOGO ALL OVER IT!

 

[Since95]

Losing Lodge and decent length injuries to key players hasn't helped. Our defence is fucking awful as well along with our errors that even an under 6s side wouldn't make like kicking out on the full etc.

I said it last year but letting Hiku go was a mistake. Even though he had the odd poor performance he was the best centre we had and it shows now that he isn't here.

I dont think losing hiku was a mistake. Hes a good player but he was also very average in our defensive format too.

In a tight trusting cowboys system hes very well surrounded by capable defenders. He still misses a lot of tackles. Hes also at the back end of his career. He wasnt pkaying well in our systems.

We are purely plain and simple down on confidence. And it stems from 7 unfortunately.. He take majority of posession does majority of kicking and doesnt go deep. Enough into the defensive line to give Walsh the space we all thought he would provide.

Hes out of sorts, and in that position which matters the most. See the simple change with
Brooks and Hastings. There happens now to be more space for the Tigers. But like us have many erros in their game and cant defend long periods

 

[Blain]

From NRL stats:

• 242 Total points: 11th (#1 Panthers 416)​
• 41 Tries: 12th (#1 Storm 71)​
• 48% Possession: 14th= (#1 Panthers 54%)​
• 668 Supports: 14th (#10 Storm 708, #5 Panthers 765)​
• 76% Set completions: 9th (#1 Eels 83%)​
• 49 Line breaks: 12th (#1 Storm 78)​
• 7,011 Post contact metres: 11th (#1 Panthers 8948)​
• 336 Tackle busts: 14th (#1 Titans 459, #2 Sharks 451)​
• 19,737 Run metres: 14th (#1 Panthers 25,832)​
• 2,049 Kick return metres: 12th (#1 Panthers 3,146, #11 Storm 2,081)​
• 117 Dummy half runs: 10th (#1 Storm 178, #9 Rabbitohs 118)​
• 99 Offloads: 16th (#1 Raiders 183)​
• 34 Try assists: 12th (#1 Panthers 64)​
• 30 Line break assists: 15th= (#1 Sharks 62)​
• 4,711 Tackles: 3rd= (#16 Storm 3,769)​
• 457 Missed tackles: 2nd (#16 Sharks 377)​
• 7,500 Kick metres: 7th (#1 Panthers 8,024)​
• 2x 40/20 Kicks: 3rd= (#1 Panthers 3x)​
• 148 Errors: 6th (#16 Eels 121, #1 Rabbitohs 166)​
• 227 Ineffective tackles: 6th (#16 Cowboys 175, #8 Storm 221)​
• 84 Penalties conceded: 7th (#1 Storm 95, #16 Eels 58)​
• 131 Handling errors: 4th (#15= Eels & Panthers 103)​

Average would be 12th position.

Best stats: 76% Set completions: 9th; 7,500 Kick metres: 7th; 2x 40/20 Kicks: 3rd=;

Worst stats: 99 Offloads: 16th; Everything else.

Nice stats. Though you missed the most important one - Points Conceded, 393, 16th.

 

[Jaffa J]

I dont think losing hiku was a mistake. Hes a good player but he was also very average in our defensive format too.

In a tight trusting cowboys system hes very well surrounded by capable defenders. He still misses a lot of tackles. Hes also at the back end of his career. He wasnt pkaying well in our systems.

We are purely plain and simple down on confidence. And it stems from 7 unfortunately.. He take majority of posession does majority of kicking and doesnt go deep. Enough into the defensive line to give Walsh the space we all thought he would provide.

Hes out of sorts, and in that position which matters the most. See the simple change with
Brooks and Hastings. There happens now to be more space for the Tigers. But like us have many erros in their game and cant defend long periods

Hiku will probably get selected for the kiwis this year and cowboys fans have raved about his signing aswell he was a big loss

 

[snake77]

Our form wasn't great at the start of the season, but we were competitive. They would concede early points but would be able to reduce their mistakes and get themselves back into the game. Now they can start well and end up with schoolboy errors like we have seen in previous years or are just terrible full stop.

Not only have they fallen off a cliff but it is like some of the years when Johnson got injured and they ended the season with long losing streaks.

At the moment where are our wins going to come from?

Round 16 vs the Tigers. Well it's the homecoming game so if they can't get up for that then motivation really is an issue.
Round 22 vs the Bulldogs.
Round 25 vs the Titans.

Two games against other sides looking for a coach and the team current coming last. Even these will be hard thought with the way they are playing. Even with the form at the start of the year it would of been in the balance. I can't see any upsets against any other sides.

A few weeks ago I looked at the draw for the rest of the season and could see a lot more opportunities for potential wins.

 

[xWarrior]

Too many useless players that shouldn't be playing NRL:
Bunty
Pene
Pompey
Sironen
Katoa
Berry
Chanel Harris-Tavita