General Who is responsible?

Who should take ownership of our results?


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bruce

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I still maintain it's a distinct possibility that Craig Bellamy and Wayne Bennett could come here in a Super Duper Coaching Coup and quit after two seasons: "Taint nothing we can do with poor, simple fools!"
I think more than a possibility. They would have to make major changes and the cap might restrict them..
 
I think that's almost what we need.
if it was a commercial exporting industrial business
the shareholders would be getting rid of everyone from the floor on up
under the name of restructuring .Or relocating to china .
In a purely commercial enterprise:

1 - you buy in the skills you need and you are unrestricted in changing direction as you see fit. Impossible with the NRL salary cap and game rules.

2 - You work to position yourself with a competitive advantage and create a product with little competition through scale or unique selling point. Again in the NRL this is restricted. The only way to do this is have a great location or winning culture to get that advantage.

It’s effectively a socialist system where the NRL set all the rules and the salary cap takes away any opportunity to ‘screw the scrum’ in your favour. To expect a ceo to get the same results and have the same influence as one within a capitalist system is misleading. In a tightly controlled system progress is slow.

It reminds me of people blaming the ‘market’ for not fixing the housing problems and saying we need more government intervention, when the reason the ‘market’ isn’t working is because of the government rules in the first place (urban boundaries, planning rules, building code, etc).

Look at the system and what’s possible while operating within it. The ceo has a part to play but the salary cap reduce his strategic scope.
 

bruce

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In a purely commercial enterprise:

1 - you buy in the skills you need and you are unrestricted in changing direction as you see fit. Impossible with the NRL salary cap and game rules.

2 - You work to position yourself with a competitive advantage and create a product with little competition through scale or unique selling point. Again in the NRL this is restricted. The only way to do this is have a great location or winning culture to get that advantage.

It’s effectively a socialist system where the NRL set all the rules and the salary cap takes away any opportunity to ‘screw the scrum’ in your favour. To expect a ceo to get the same results and have the same influence as one within a capitalist system is misleading. In a tightly controlled system progress is slow.

It reminds me of people blaming the ‘market’ for not fixing the housing problems and saying we need more government intervention, when the reason the ‘market’ isn’t working is because of the government rules in the first place (urban boundaries, planning rules, building code, etc).

Look at the system and what’s possible while operating within it. The ceo has a part to play but the salary cap reduce his strategic scope.
The salary cap is a problem which means planning has to be long term. Our CEO is a short term thinker.
 

tajhay

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Its all of the above. Fans aren't without blame IMO. Over 40% of respondents rated our game against the Knights as B or above. Remember this was a team that was missing all it's stars, and we just scraped through. We just snuck in and beat them. Our expectations are so low, it's a battered wife mentality. We don't care about the shit that is served up anymore, we are just content with a win, even when it showcases how of the pace the team is in all areas. We cry about wanting a tough taskmaster like Bellamy at the Warriors. Would he have rated the win as a B or A or A+ like some fans here have? Hell no! Our desire to have a top team is fading as fast as the players will to win or play to their potential. When you lose the desire, you are content. And content sums up the club in all areas. You don't win the premiership with contentment. All areas have to be in sync where the desire is focussed on performing at their very best, week in week out. Or be torn to shreds if standards aren't met, anything else just papers up the cracks. Bellamy or anyone of their ilk wouldn't stand for the papering over the cracks as this club has become synonymous with over the years. If we want to be content, Bellamy would be the wrong choice for this club. Otherwise start having higher expectations of what SHOULD be served up. If you don't have a ceiling, you don't improve, you just try to keep your head above the passmark. And even if you don't, it's ok, there is another week and another and another to get it right. No premiership winning team has that mentality, but we certainly do.

A good start would be actual accountability. Not a cliche "above the line" or some other buzzword that is backed with no action. Actual accountability! For everyone involved. But if that happened, who at the club will be left?
 

Beastmode

There’s always next year.
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Its the fans fault, they are all Muppets!

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Nope, we get news about 10mins before everyone else and maybe deals on merch- oh and weird surveys about religion and being environmentally conscious with “do you hate Kearney” subliminally thrown in the middle

Fuck that was a laugh and a half
  • How do you feel about family?
  • How do you feel about the environment?
  • How many games have you gone to this year?
  • DO THE WARRIORS PLAY BORING FOOTY!!?!??
  • How many games do you watch at home?
  • On what devices to you watch them?
  • IS ITS KEARNEYZ FAULT??!?!
  • Would you consider yourself a diehard fan?
  • IT IS HIS FAULT ISNT IT?? TELL US!
  • What factors contribute to you going to a game live?
its like they were profiling their fans for marketing purposes and to on sell the results to sponsors and Cameron George just strong armed in the "who's fault is it, i need evidence to show its not mine!" questions right before it went out
 

Beastmode

There’s always next year.
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This is absilute bullshit. We are looking for someone to blame. That is crap, we need to be looking for solutions in a positive way rather than the negative blame game of 25 years.

I prefer to use the word accountable.

Any solution will be decided by those most accountable. The failure or success of that decision will therefore be owned by those most accountable. It’s not rocket science.

So, go back to the question - who is most accountable ?
 
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I prefer to use the word accountable.

Any solution will be decided by those most accountable. The failure or success of that decision will therefore be owned by those most accountable. It’s not rocket science.

So, go back to the question - who is most accountable ?
The NRL? They let us in the competition
 
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I prefer to use the word accountable.

Any solution will be decided by those most accountable. The failure or success of that decision will therefore be owned by those most accountable. It’s not rocket science.

So, go back to the question - who is most accountable ?

As always people who accountable and responsible for this club are its owners. It their decisions at end of day that will determine results both on and off field. Though we've had recent change of ownership, blame should still be placed at them as it only option we have as fans to demand further actions by club and board when we feel that things are going in wrong direction.

The only problem we have now is that with current owners is that one is limited liability company and other is licensed charity trust. There only so much one can do with this club before impacting on other. So when it comes to changes I'm sorry but I don't think much will happen that why I hate to say it, but as much as I love this team, you know when it comes to them finding some kind of success, they're fucked. I'm sorry but I wish it wasn't true. Go NZ Warriors !

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Sports is a different beast to a normal commercial businesses. So its a tough like for like comparison to make. A few things have been raised earlier like salary cap. Having to balance the commercial success of the club with on-field performance (which don't always match up) is a tough one when you are dealing with a salary cap and a small population of people with the skills to do the job (players).

One thing that surprises me is that its seems the warriors don't have a mental skills coach / sports psychologist.

If we are a development club, we should be looking for every opportunity to get the best out of our players. It's not like sports psychology is voodoo stuff these days. High performing teams all invest in this