General wellington grand final

[mt.wellington]

Auckland rugby league are worth over 40 million. and the top 4 clubs in Auckland are spending around 100,000 each on their prem team

$40 million. Be interested to know where you came up with that figure? My understanding is that the actual net worth of the ARL was a closely guarded secret? Or is that just what they spend the money on? Also it may sound like a lot but how much of that worth is locked up in assets that will never be sold? Carlaw Park Trust would make up the bulk of it wouldnt it?

Also interested to know where you came up with your $100K figure for the top 4 Fox teams? Maybe one of them and possibly 2 but to suggest that its all of them is straight out BS...

 

[Marlin]

Rich pricks- that's awesome.
How do they raise the funds? Primarily sponsorship? Are all the players paid evenly or are there sign on fees etc?
How do their payments stack up against union players?

Halswell is the strongest club in the sth and their players only get $50 a win (petrol money really) and are only paid if they make both trainings and attend the clubrooms on Saturday night. All up they'd be lucky to spend $10,000 a year on players. Altho there is the odd player who gets personal sponsorship from rich locals or local businesses- this is not organised by the club tho.
From the clubs perspective paying players isn't really seen as top priority as they feel the money can be better spent elsewhere.
Sponsorship is limited but they organise a number of fund raising events including an event at the end of each year to raise funds for the next year. This year they had lance cairns, Brian mckechnie and grant nisbitt speaking.
A great ( and realistic ) start would be getting the rest of the canterbury clubs ( and clubs from other provinces) up to this level.
I know the halswell board are only to happy to work with the other clubs to help them get processes in place.
What is it that the likes of canterbury and Wellington could learn from auckland? Is it just shear numbers and interest and if so how do they generate the interest and promote games?
As mentioned in another thread back in the 80s league was drawing huge crowds in canterbury- I think a lot of it comes back to promotion and administration.
Are the provincial games shown on tv in NZ?
I spoke to the canterbury coach and he thinks they can beat the auckland sides ( of coarse) but acknowledges they would have to play their best. I hope they can because people want to see competitive games and a strong provincial comp is in everyone's best interests- including aucklands.

Edit- sorry for the thread hijack mods but I think this is good stuff- sharing information and ideas that can benefit the sport in NZ.

Mostly sponsorship with tv coverage upping the anti. Most of the players I know are on indervidual contracts ranging from 100 per win to 1000 win or loss. There are transfer fees ,coach, manager, physio costs on top of player payments. Coach 20,000 One club rumoured on this site to have payed 27,000 transfer for 3 players. On top of that air fares Well to Auck to play on Saturday for one of the clubs. I have brokered a number of deals with current players and sponsors, so I know its not bs as mt wellington suggested .Hope you find this interesting. I think this will be the demise of the Fox as the gap between well managed and funded clubs an the rest will continue to grow unless the arl step in

 

[kiwi's 13-6]

this is interesting in regards to local clubs and payment as i understand it the tax law is a sports person may win up to $500 in prize money for sports after that anything over thats got to be declared. You could claim $500 player of the match award prize money, When half a dozen people claiming this award every week from the same team the IRD's going to get suspicious! people getting cash might want to stop talking lose lips sink ships and look into the tax law... its all part of being professional or you might just want to stay amateur local rugby league football clubs... who play for the love of the game and for the occasional player of the day award, movie tickets for kids teams etc, for adult grades bar tab, gym membership, gift vouchers, reimbursement for petrol money etc!

obviously there are several top Auckland clubs who have considerable financial backing way more than the average local league club thanks to sponsors, bar takings and assets.The question i have is are these Auckland clubs with cash able to draw paying crowds of 300 to 2,000 people? and do they have a decent ground with a stand and facilities to charge people entry?
Where i am going with this is try to see what the best model for a semi pro comp in NZ is maybe the wealthiest Auckland club sides should enter teams in NZ semi pro comp against sides based in the larger regional centers representing those regions. An 8 team New Zealand semi pro comp could look something like this -

Waikato Stallions, Wellinginton Orca's, Canterbury Bulls, Central vipers(taranaki/manawatu), Mt Albert Lions, Point Chev Pirates, Howick Hornets, Northcote Tigers.

salary cap of $200,000 per side, which could be covered by they following means possible nrl grant? sponsorship, local and state government funding eg local councils and regional councils, Smokefree, lotto grants, pub charity etc, tv income from maori tv, sky tv, heard theirs a new pay tv operator about to start on the nz market they will be looking for product to broadcast! with the under 20's likely to be gone in 2017 it affects the warriors development as Nsw and Qld teams will go back to those comps we go back to.... only having park footy to offer locally! yes the fox memorial is park footy same as wellington/ canterbury/ waikato comps only difference is theres a 3 or 4 clubs involved in the fox memorial with wealthy sponsors and regular tv coverage on Maori TV.

anyway back to the subject of the thread local league or park footy as they call it in Australia i would still like to see end of season NZ national club knockout championship/ the old tusk cup brought back regardless its a quick end of season comp, would only take couple of weeks to run it as its a knockout comp you lose your out and at the end the winner gets the tittle of king of local league/park footy!!!

it would be good to see Randwick get a chance to claim that title again

 

[mt.wellington]

1000 win or loss

Under the table? My understanding is that there isnt a player making even half that a game. Thought Roman Hifo was getting paid the most???

 

[Marlin]

Under the table? My understanding is that there isnt a player making even half that a game. Thought Roman Hifo was getting paid the most???

Where have you been for the last 5 years? Do you think the players are swapping clubs for a free pie and soft drink! Just have a look at the reply to mt.wellington from ramraider page 7 Auckland rugby league .Will help confirm things I have said .

 

[Defence]

Where have you been for the last 5 years? Do you think the players are swapping clubs for a free pie and soft drink! Just have a look at the reply to mt.wellington from ramraider page 7 Auckland rugby league .Will help confirm things I have said .

Meanwhile down in canterbury- a free pie and soft drink would be quite the selling point

 

[Defence]

Do u guys know what the pirtek cup guys get paid? If at all.
I know this is the first year canterbury players have been paid- so that's a positive- scored some free gears too

 

[slaughterhouse.sa]

mt welli is that $100 monopoly money? one of either Canterbury or wellington will beat either Auckland and counties at least once in this comp no doubt!

International tours can and do make money if a country pays it own way to come here then the gate takings minus grounds hire/promotion fees is profit usa/fiji/wales/png/tonga in tour games verse west coast//wellington/ waikato/canterbury etc will draw resonable crowd that money can be made from not to mention test matchs games vs nz resident in those regions as well!.


in terms of nz semi pro comp got to get everything working in together, have these kids academies feeding into the sides in the comp, get the comp up to the standard of nsw and qld cups and have the warriors reserves enter it saving the warriors stacks of cash in airfares and accommodation to oz every other week!

I think its is true that in recent times not talking about the endacott era at the warriors i mean this century the warriors do have a recruitment bias against south island players due to distance and lack of care in even bothering to look the only south island players in fairly recent times they have picked are lewis brown via sydney, simon mannering via wellington and corey lowrie direct from chch and that about it. welling and waikato had quite a few players recruited by warriors like of hohaia, koopu, rapira from waikato and matulino, gubb from wellington but mainly warriors dont even look much outside of auckland for players

Canterbury will be favourites to beat Counties
Counties dont have a strong squad by the looks of things - probably guys at Papakura look like they wont pay unless getting paid.

You could make chump change having tours....if teams pay there way.
Simply wouldnt be much hunger for it so wouldnt be worth much

I dont think Warriors have a bias gainst South Island...The south island kids have a bias against Warriors.
They like to go to clubs where they have less competition.
A bigger comittment to play and develop the player

 

[Defence]

I dont think Warriors have a bias gainst South Island...The south island kids have a bias against Warriors.
They like to go to clubs where they have less competition.
A bigger comittment to play and develop the player

That's often true- I'd say it goes both ways tho- With so much talented juniors in auckland I can see the sense in concentrating on them rather than spending money to relocate kids away from their families who may not turn out to be any better than what's already in their own backyard.
The two pommy boys they bought over weren't exactly a success and they came with massive wraps.

 

[Defence]

Mostly sponsorship with tv coverage upping the anti. Most of the players I know are on indervidual contracts ranging from 100 per win to 1000 win or loss. There are transfer fees ,coach, manager, physio costs on top of player payments. Coach 20,000 One club rumoured on this site to have payed 27,000 transfer for 3 players. On top of that air fares Well to Auck to play on Saturday for one of the clubs. I have brokered a number of deals with current players and sponsors, so I know its not bs as mt wellington suggested .Hope you find this interesting. I think this will be the demise of the Fox as the gap between well managed and funded clubs an the rest will continue to grow unless the arl step in

Seems like the carts coming before the hoarse with fox players making a lot more than provincial reps ( if they're making anything at all) similar to origin v internationals

 

[mt.wellington]

Where have you been for the last 5 years? Do you think the players are swapping clubs for a free pie and soft drink! Just have a look at the reply to mt.wellington from ramraider page 7 Auckland rugby league .Will help confirm things I have said .

Im not talking about transfer fees. I was questioning your following comment:

Most of the players I know are on indervidual contracts ranging from 100 per win to 1000 win or loss

No player legitimately makes $1000 in match fees win or lose. Youre talking absolute shit. You gonna try tell me that Fox players make more than NSW Cup players with a 2nd tier Warriors contract per game? Bullshit...

 

[ramraider78]

Under the table? My understanding is that there isnt a player making even half that a game. Thought Roman Hifo was getting paid the most???

$400 or $450 a game win/lose with Finals bonuses - don't know if he's still the club DJ as well which that's another $150 on top of his pay - that kind of coin he'll never come back to Mangere East until he wants to coach lol members have long memories.

 

[Marlin]

Im not talking about transfer fees. I was questioning your following comment:



No player legitimately makes $1000 in match fees win or lose. Youre talking absolute shit. You gonna try tell me that Fox players make more than NSW Cup players with a 2nd tier Warriors contract per game? Bullshit...

Sorry I don't know what nsw cup players with a 2nd tier contracts make only what fox players make. It has only this year changed to warriors full control up until this year a lot of fox players would not play for the Vulcan because they did not get payed as much as they would playing for their club .I happen to be one of those sponsers that pays match payments so I no first hand what it costs . My son also plays Fox so I no what is in his envelope each week. I have nothing to gain by bullshitting . A bit scary i suppose for a club just out of 3rd div but don't worry by the time you get into the Fox there wont be one .

 

[ramraider78]

Im not talking about transfer fees. I was questioning your following comment:



No player legitimately makes $1000 in match fees win or lose. Youre talking absolute shit. You gonna try tell me that Fox players make more than NSW Cup players with a 2nd tier Warriors contract per game? Bullshit...

Yeah I'm scratching my head about the $1000 a game in match fees - TBH Tevita Latu, Roman Hifo, Herman Retzslaff, Eddy Purcell would be the highest paid players in the Fox this season but they still would be on the $400 - $500 a game , anything higher would surprise me, that kind of $ was around in the 80's.

Though Pt Chev major sponsor are paying Half the Premier Team's 10 day trip to Bali if they won the Fox - which they did, the other half came from there fundraising socials, that's on top of the pub crawl they get for winning it also.

Canterbury will be favourites to beat Counties
Counties dont have a strong squad by the looks of things - probably guys at Papakura look like they wont pay unless getting paid.

You could make chump change having tours....if teams pay there way.
Simply wouldnt be much hunger for it so wouldnt be worth much

I dont think Warriors have a bias gainst South Island...The south island kids have a bias against Warriors.
They like to go to clubs where they have less competition.
A bigger comittment to play and develop the player

That's a common theme I'm hearing about the top $ clubs - Players pick and choose which games they want to play because there's no $ incentive - Akarana have the same problem as Counties.

TBH my $ is on Counties to beat Canterbury, as long as we win the battle up the middle because we've got the backs to do it TBH. I notice a lot of Warrior 20's that are available are being selected - surprised at some of the selections.

Auckland rugby league are worth over 40 million. and the top 4 clubs in Auckland are spending around 100,000 each on their prem team

That figure wouldn't be to far off correct - The property portfolio alone would be 20 - 30 Million easy;

Our budget is around 30 - 35 k to run our premier team this year and that's covering the laundry bill, food for hosting,entertainment, POD $, Powerade at the games, etc - "No match payments" ; the list goes on - 100 k is right , Papakura had a player payment/transfer budget of 80 k then all the costing for the logistics to run the team - can only imagine what Pt Chev an Mt Albert are spending , easily 100K plus.

 

[ramraider78]

this is interesting in regards to local clubs and payment as i understand it the tax law is a sports person may win up to $500 in prize money for sports after that anything over thats got to be declared. You could claim $500 player of the match award prize money, When half a dozen people claiming this award every week from the same team the IRD's going to get suspicious! people getting cash might want to stop talking lose lips sink ships and look into the tax law... its all part of being professional or you might just want to stay amateur local rugby league football clubs... who play for the love of the game and for the occasional player of the day award, movie tickets for kids teams etc, for adult grades bar tab, gym membership, gift vouchers, reimbursement for petrol money etc!

obviously there are several top Auckland clubs who have considerable financial backing way more than the average local league club thanks to sponsors, bar takings and assets.The question i have is are these Auckland clubs with cash able to draw paying crowds of 300 to 2,000 people? and do they have a decent ground with a stand and facilities to charge people entry?
Where i am going with this is try to see what the best model for a semi pro comp in NZ is maybe the wealthiest Auckland club sides should enter teams in NZ semi pro comp against sides based in the larger regional centers representing those regions. An 8 team New Zealand semi pro comp could look something like this -

Waikato Stallions, Wellinginton Orca's, Canterbury Bulls, Central vipers(taranaki/manawatu), Mt Albert Lions, Point Chev Pirates, Howick Hornets, Northcote Tigers.

salary cap of $200,000 per side, which could be covered by they following means possible nrl grant? sponsorship, local and state government funding eg local councils and regional councils, Smokefree, lotto grants, pub charity etc, tv income from maori tv, sky tv, heard theirs a new pay tv operator about to start on the nz market they will be looking for product to broadcast! with the under 20's likely to be gone in 2017 it affects the warriors development as Nsw and Qld teams will go back to those comps we go back to.... only having park footy to offer locally! yes the fox memorial is park footy same as wellington/ canterbury/ waikato comps only difference is theres a 3 or 4 clubs involved in the fox memorial with wealthy sponsors and regular tv coverage on Maori TV.

anyway back to the subject of the thread local league or park footy as they call it in Australia i would still like to see end of season NZ national club knockout championship/ the old tusk cup brought back regardless its a quick end of season comp, would only take couple of weeks to run it as its a knockout comp you lose your out and at the end the winner gets the tittle of king of local league/park footy!!!

it would be good to see Randwick get a chance to claim that title again

Well worded post bro - but you are crazy about those Auckland clubs you listed - there would be to much resistance within the Auckland region - basically we are all just a feeder club to the $ clubs, it's worse now but if this did happen then it would be a disaster IMO they have no quality juniors coming through anyway - Pt Chev poach there kids with the Shaun Johnson trademark and Northcote have the odd kid coming through - Mt Albert an Howick are really restricted kids grades.

 

[Marlin]

Yeah I'm scratching my head about the $1000 a game in match fees - TBH Tevita Latu, Roman Hifo, Herman Retzslaff, Eddy Purcell would be the highest paid players in the Fox this season but they still would be on the $400 - $500 a game , anything higher would surprise me, that kind of $ was around in the 80's.

Though Pt Chev major sponsor are paying Half the Premier Team's 10 day trip to Bali if they won the Fox - which they did, the other half came from there fundraising socials, that's on top of the pub crawl they get for winning it also.


That's a common theme I'm hearing about the top $ clubs - Players pick and choose which games they want to play because there's no $ incentive - Akarana have the same problem as Counties.

TBH my $ is on Counties to beat Canterbury, as long as we win the battle up the middle because we've got the backs to do it TBH. I notice a lot of Warrior 20's that are available are being selected - surprised at some of the selections.


That figure wouldn't be to far off correct - The property portfolio alone would be 20 - 30 Million easy;

Our budget is around 30 - 35 k to run our premier team this year and that's covering the laundry bill, food for hosting,entertainment, POD $, Powerade at the games, etc - "No match payments" ; the list goes on - 100 k is right , Papakura had a player payment/transfer budget of 80 k then all the costing for the logistics to run the team - can only imagine what Pt Chev an Mt Albert are spending , easily 100K plus.

I know you are pretty up with play ram raider but i can tell you I was turned down with a offer of 650 + petrol from a player last year . His excuse he was getting more we he was .Not one of the players you mentioned.To be honest Roman would not be in the top 10 of the pay scale. Papakura are big hitters but no where near the other 2

 

[ramraider78]

I know you are pretty up with play ram raider but i can tell you I was turned down with a offer of 650 + petrol from a player last year . His excuse he was getting more we he was .Not one of the players you mentioned.To be honest Roman would not be in the top 10 of the pay scale. Papakura are big hitters but no where near the other 2

That player you mentions sounds like someone I know who got the deposit for his house from the club as a sign on fee through the club's mortgage broker and is honoring his deal until he retires lol hard to stay competitive with the amount of $ they throw around like that, Pt Chev more the threat IMO because they are trying to stack there juniors for the future so they wouldn't have to buy in so many players.