General Webb's future with the Warriors

playdaball_old

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I would hope that the club does retain Webb but take onboard the cap situation.
I wouldn't trust the media talk ATM as both sides (Warriors and Webb) are probably using the media to get what they want ie - Webb more $$ and Warriors a good player at market value, not paying over the odds - Wiki and Price.
 

Northern_Union

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AmeriKiwi said:
Iafeta said:
No they can't AmeriKiwi. Infact, the last salary cap increase which will be for next season has taken a lot of time to go through.

In terms of operations finances, only one club in the NRL consistently operates at a profit. The Brisbane Broncos. The Warriors themselves achieved profits in seasons 2001-2003. No other club in the NRL makes a profit. They get grants from the NRL from television rights, and most are propped up by a league's club - basically an organised casino.

In the past, we've seen teams like Manly Sea Eagles, Wests Tigers and South Sydney Rabbitohs have to play at below the level of the salary cap because they financially could not afford it. As such, with the salary's cap design to make it even for all clubs in term's of the rosters they can put together, plus keep club's financially viable, its debateable if it is in actual fact achievable to go further ahead as they will for next season.

"Won`t" seems like a better word than "can`t"... it`s certainly not impossible to do.

The problem is that the NSW Government is increasing taxes on league's club poker machine takings, which is significantly going to impact the amount of money they can provide to the football club's they represent.

The NRL, and the clubs, in my book can still look after player's interests without necessarily exploding the salary cap, through education schemes which gives a player a qualification to fall on once their career has finished. There is also of course the lure of Super League where a lot more money can be made for a player of significant quality.

lol forget something AM?:)
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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I gota agree with iafeta. As much as i really want webb to stay, i wouldnt mind seeing a young talented fullback like Clint Greenshields in a warriors jumper if webb dosent get an offer that hes willing to accept.(by god i hope webb does get an acceptable offer though)
 

AmeriKiwi_old

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RS_Dragon said:
AmeriKiwi said:
Iafeta said:
No they can't AmeriKiwi. Infact, the last salary cap increase which will be for next season has taken a lot of time to go through.

In terms of operations finances, only one club in the NRL consistently operates at a profit. The Brisbane Broncos. The Warriors themselves achieved profits in seasons 2001-2003. No other club in the NRL makes a profit. They get grants from the NRL from television rights, and most are propped up by a league's club - basically an organised casino.

In the past, we've seen teams like Manly Sea Eagles, Wests Tigers and South Sydney Rabbitohs have to play at below the level of the salary cap because they financially could not afford it. As such, with the salary's cap design to make it even for all clubs in term's of the rosters they can put together, plus keep club's financially viable, its debateable if it is in actual fact achievable to go further ahead as they will for next season.

"Won`t" seems like a better word than "can`t"... it`s certainly not impossible to do.

The problem is that the NSW Government is increasing taxes on league's club poker machine takings, which is significantly going to impact the amount of money they can provide to the football club's they represent.

The NRL, and the clubs, in my book can still look after player's interests without necessarily exploding the salary cap, through education schemes which gives a player a qualification to fall on once their career has finished. There is also of course the lure of Super League where a lot more money can be made for a player of significant quality.

lol forget something AM?:)

Yeah... somehow my reply got stuck into the middle of Iafeta`s reply to my repl... Damn, I`m just making it worse.... THIS ONE -
"Won`t" seems like a better word than "can`t"... it`s certainly not impossible to do.
 

STRIDER_old

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To be truthful I couldnt see Webb getting much money by many of the NRL clubs except for perhaps Souths and the Warriors. If he got offered good money it would be in England but in Aussie every club seems to have a brilliant if not 2 brilliant Fullbacks. I wouldnt overpay Webb.
 

2big2strong_old

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ok, they haven't made webb an offer, possibly our most important, productive player, and yet they can re-sign wiki, rovelli, manu, misi etc. Webb is our Hindmarsh, what would the warriors be without Webb? it's bad enough without stacey, but if we let webb walk away i will officially hand in my warriors badge and cheer on whatever team he signs with.
 

sebastian_old

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In regards to mick overspending, i reckon either only price or wiki should've been bought not both. Basically there both the same quality,same position, same huge chunk out of our salary cap. Why was there a nesisity to buy two really good props instead of one. Jeez you only need one leader.
With the other 400,000 not being spent, or a smaller amount for a lesser player we wouldnt've been having this debate webb probally would've already been resigned.
As much as were gonna suck with micks past bungle the reality is we probally can't afford to resign webb.
If i had to choose a replacement i'd choose wade, we are gonna need all the experience he has in which will be a very inexperienced team.
 

STRIDER_old

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I dont think Webb is worth all the dollars everybody here is expecting him to be paid. There is some really amazing fullbacks out there who we may get cheaper and even more dangerous in talent
 

Kav_old

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2black2strong said:
ok, they haven't made webb an offer, possibly our most important, productive player, and yet they can re-sign wiki, rovelli, manu, misi etc. Webb is our Hindmarsh, what would the warriors be without Webb? it's bad enough without stacey, but if we let webb walk away i will officially hand in my warriors badge and cheer on whatever team he signs with.

If "Webb is our Hindmarsh" (ie mainstay), why do we persist in playing him in the most un-creative position in the team?

Kav
 

Kav_old

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STRIDER said:
I dont think Webb is worth all the dollars everybody here is expecting him to be paid. There is some really amazing fullbacks out there who we may get cheaper and even more dangerous in talent

Absolutely Strider but would he be worth it at stand off?

Kav
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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but would he be worth it at stand off?

Kav[/quote]

YEA????? MAYBE AND BUY CLINT GREENSHIELDS I REALLY LIKE THE WAY GREENSHIELDS PLAYS AYE!
 

warriors4life_old

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warriorfaithful* said:
but would he be worth it at stand off?

Kav

YEA????? MAYBE AND BUY CLINT GREENSHIELDS I REALLY LIKE THE WAY GREENSHIELDS PLAYS AYE![/quote]

I doubt we have the money to keep both Brent Webb and a guy like Clint Greenshields under the salary cap.
 

STRIDER_old

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I personaly dont think Webbs game would suit no 6 I think he's a hooker personaly. No6 really is a position where you need composure and a player of real ball palying ability. Faumina in my opinon was the closest to the mark the warriors tried in the postion. His skill set really did defined what you need in a no6 except perhaps for his kicking game
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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warriors4life said:
I doubt we have the money to keep both Brent Webb and a guy like Clint Greenshields under the salary cap.


Yea good point. Id rather webb than greenshields but if webb does go i hope we sign greenshields.
 

warriors4life_old

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warriorfaithful* said:
warriors4life said:
I doubt we have the money to keep both Brent Webb and a guy like Clint Greenshields under the salary cap.


Yea good point. Id rather webb than greenshields but if webb does go i hope we sign greenshields.

Or Wade McKinnon. Although the Eels have been one of the poorer NRL sides this season he has been a bright light in a damp team, if Webb was to leave I wouldn't mind seeing McKinnon around.
 

warriorfaithful*_old

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warriors4life said:
Or Wade McKinnon. Although the Eels have been one of the poorer NRL sides this season he has been a bright light in a damp team, if Webb was to leave I wouldn't mind seeing McKinnon around.


Yea id want greenshields if webby leaves (which i dont want), as ive said before lol. Um didnt Wade Mckinnon break his jaw or something in that game vs the panthers couple of weeks ago
 

warriors4life_old

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warriorfaithful* said:
warriors4life said:
Or Wade McKinnon. Although the Eels have been one of the poorer NRL sides this season he has been a bright light in a damp team, if Webb was to leave I wouldn't mind seeing McKinnon around.


Yea id want greenshields if webby leaves (which i dont want), as ive said before lol. Um didnt Wade Mckinnon break his jaw or something in that game vs the panthers couple of weeks ago

Yeah he did.
 

Kav_old

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STRIDER said:
I personaly dont think Webbs game would suit no 6 I think he's a hooker personaly. No6 really is a position where you need composure and a player of real ball palying ability. Faumina in my opinon was the closest to the mark the warriors tried in the postion. His skill set really did defined what you need in a no6 except perhaps for his kicking game

I know you have that other position in mind for him Strider but do you really want his creative talents wasted making 30+ tackles a game. I think Brent is the most creative player at the Warriors and we are crying out for creativity in the halves.

Kav
 

scottyb_old

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clint greeshields has signed with the gold coast titans, so we can forget about him, lets hope we can pay webby the bucks he deserves
 

STRIDER_old

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Kav I think Webb has strengthened some areas of his game and is a better rounded player now. But I actually dont think Webb is highly creative. A guy like sione would have to be the most creative in the team.

I would pick Webb at hooker because it would create a better roll on for the halves to take advantage of with him darting out of the line with his speed to grab a quick 10-15-20 metres. I still questions his vision on attack and I couldnt see him running the show from no 6.

I know there have been small damaging no 6's like Preston Campbell, but you cant compare Cambell and Webb. Cambell can literaly shred a team apart with agility and super express pace. I do feel a good number 6 is a solid lock type such as a Brad Fittler, Laurie Dailey, Trent Barret etc. Eveb though a player like Jonathan thurston is an exception to the rule, he does read a game brilliantly.

Webb with his pace and the fact he can bench apparently 170 kg could have the mixture of strength and speed required to stregthen up the ruck area defense even more. While getting his hands on the ball more and showing more creativity than he does returning the ball from the back.
 

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