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NRL 2016 - Rnd 6 - Warriors vs Manly Gameday Chatter

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Warriors v Sea Eagles: Schick Preview
Wed 06 Apr, 2016, 4:00pm
By Corey Rosser‌, New Zealand Correspondent , NRL.com
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Schick Hydro Preview: Warriors v Manly Sea Eagles
Mt Smart Stadium
Saturday, 7.30PM NZT


The Warriors and Manly were heavily tipped to be among the competition's big improvers in 2016, but both have had frustrating starts which don't reflect their star-studded rosters.

With a congested NRL Telstra Premiership ladder to navigate, a victory this Saturday at Mt Smart Stadium will be important, and for the Warriors it's about maintaining the momentum gained from their 40-18 demolition of the Knights in Round 4 and 32-28 golden point escape against the Roosters last Sunday.

They have one forced changed with Jonathan Wright named on the wing for Manu Vatuvei (hamstring). Albert Vete moves from lock to the bench and Sam Lisone vice versa.

Don't read anything into utility Thomas Leuluai being named as 18th man rather than in the 17, with coach Andrew McFadden confirming mid-week that he will play.

It will be Leuluai's first game since Round 10 last year – when he suffered a ruptured ACL in his right knee – with rookie Jazz Tevaga set to be bumped off the bench to accommodate his return.

While Manly battled valiantly against the Rabbitohs last week they couldn't prevent a 16-12 loss in the end at Brookvale Oval, but should benefit this week from an eight-day turnaround between games.

Tom Symonds comes into the back row in place of Feleti Mateo, while Jake Trbojevic also returns at lock after a week out with a knee injury.

Josh Starling will start in the front row with Darcy Lussick joining Brenton Lawrence on a six-man bench.

Watch out Warriors: Lapses in concentration cost them the chance to close the game out with 20 minutes to go last week, and instead forced them to do it the hard way in golden point. Between the 39th and 54th minutes the Kiwi outfit leaked three tries and let the Roosters back into the contest, compounding errors with penalties during that period.

Last week Manly's makeshift halves looked every bit at home, standing out as their side's best attacking weapons. Dylan Walker and Apisai Koroisau ran for a combined 250 metres and scored a try each. After being thrust into the No.7 jersey Koroisau also made three line breaks, the most of any player in Round 5.

Watch out Sea Eagles: Manly haven’t fully fired in attack at all so far in 2016 and average just 16.8 points per game. They are yet to clock up more than 22 in a match and this week face a Warriors side who score 24.4 on average. The Sea Eagles really need to get things going with the ball in hand if they are to challenge the Warriors.

They are totally different players in terms of their attributes, but Solomone Kata and Shaun Johnson have both been prolific so far this season. Between them they have scored 10 of the Warriors' 22 tries, while they have assisted a further four in the first five games.

Key match-up: Tuimoala Lolohea v Tom Trbojevic. Two of the competition's best young talents who you can be sure will pop up all over the field on Saturday. Lolohea, 21, was one of the Warriors' best last week, setting up two tries including the match-winner. He has four line breaks across the season. 19-year-old Trbojevic has excelled since moving back to the wing from fullback, running for over 100 metres in his last three games and averaging 17 runs over the same period.

The history: Played 27; Warriors 8, Sea Eagles 19. No team has dogged the Warriors more than Manly in recent times. The Sea Eagles have won 16 of their last 20 against the Kiwi side, including three on the trot.

What are the odds: Sportsbet customers have jumped on the Warriors' bandwagon and they’ve been backed to cover the line as well as win 13+ against Manly. Kata has been the most popular to score the first try of the game.

Match officials: Referee: Gavin Reynolds. Assistant Referee: Chris Sutton. Touch Judges: Nick Beashel, Shane Rehm. Review Officials: Bryan Norrie, Jared Maxwell. Senior RO: Luke Patten

Televised: Fox Sports – live coverage from 5.00pm AEDT

The way we see it: Based on some of the form they have shown so far in 2016 both of these sides are probably better than where they sit on the ladder. The Warriors really struggle to maintain concentration for long periods in games, but have shown over the last couple of weeks that they can overcome that and still get the job done. They should be too strong for this Manly side who are lacking the finishing touches in attack right now. Warriors by 10.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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A win over this club is rare of late.

I don't care they haven't got halves the Warriors fear the jersey.

Their centers alone know how to dismember us and where to hide the body.

Their second phase game is safer than ours, their ability to defend errors and penalties is legend when they fire up.

Their forwards usually give ours a hiding.

What you gonna do about it Warriors ?

Hold the ball, make your tackles
....Brawl the Brawler.....toe to toe....no surrender.....get these fkers and shove that Jersey down their throats.
 

Freddie Futler

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Jun 10, 2013
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Watch out Warriors: Lapses in concentration cost them the chance to close the game out with 20 minutes to go last week, and instead forced them to do it the hard way in golden point. Between the 39th and 54th minutes the Kiwi outfit leaked three tries and let the Roosters back into the contest, compounding errors with penalties during that period.
That is what I like about the team they are not giving up and are fighting to the death. A couple of mistakes and a few bad calls let the Rorters back into the game but we fought back, I like that.
And after last night where they beat the Bunnies I feel even better about our result.

Just realised that Manly will be extra fresh with a 9 day turnaround, after previously playing 3 games in 11 days, makes you wonder.
 
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diehard

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Jan 27, 2016
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Cappy's meeting with the players before the game:

Cappy: OK, on defense, who doesn't want to tackle with everything you've got?
Player: But Cappy, I could get hurt.
Cappy: You're gone. Who wants to take his place and tackle with everything you've got, each play?
Player: I do Coach.
Cappy: You're in. Scaredy Cat is out.
Cappy: OK, is there anyone who doesn't want to come off the line at 100 mph?
Player: But I get tired, coach.
Cappy: You're out. Who wants to come off the line 100 mph and tackle with everything you've got?
Player: I do coach.
Cappy: You're in, lazy pants is out.
Cappy: Which of you forwards wants to hit that line on offense as though your career depended on it?
Player: But Coach, Myles and Matai and Kapow hit too hard. I need to put on my hand brakes.
Cappy: You're out. Who wants to run hell for leather to keep playing FG?
Player: I do coach.
Cappy: You're in. Crappy in his pants is out.
Cappy: Which of you backline guys is willing to concentrate and not make errors?
Player: But coach, there's heaps to think about. My family is watching, I didn't make my mortgage payment. Ryan hates me.
Cappy: You're going to sit with your family. Who wants to concentrate?
Benry: I do coach.
Cappy: Yeah, I know, but you're injured.
Player: I'll concentrate coach. I was good at maths.
Cappy: You're in.
Cappy: If any of you boyz are lying to me, I'm sending you to JD.

HOW HARD COULD IT BE TO COACH THE WARRIORS???
 

jonno

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Jul 13, 2014
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Cappy's meeting with the players before the game:

Cappy: OK, on defense, who doesn't want to tackle with everything you've got?
Player: But Cappy, I could get hurt.
Cappy: You're gone. Who wants to take his place and tackle with everything you've got, each play?
Player: I do Coach.
Cappy: You're in. Scaredy Cat is out.
Cappy: OK, is there anyone who doesn't want to come off the line at 100 mph?
Player: But I get tired, coach.
Cappy: You're out. Who wants to come off the line 100 mph and tackle with everything you've got?
Player: I do coach.
Cappy: You're in, lazy pants is out.
Cappy: Which of you forwards wants to hit that line on offense as though your career depended on it?
Player: But Coach, Myles and Matai and Kapow hit too hard. I need to put on my hand brakes.
Cappy: You're out. Who wants to run hell for leather to keep playing FG?
Player: I do coach.
Cappy: You're in. Crappy in his pants is out.
Cappy: Which of you backline guys is willing to concentrate and not make errors?
Player: But coach, there's heaps to think about. My family is watching, I didn't make my mortgage payment. Ryan hates me.
Cappy: You're going to sit with your family. Who wants to concentrate?
Benry: I do coach.
Cappy: Yeah, I know, but you're injured.
Player: I'll concentrate coach. I was good at maths.
Cappy: You're in.
Cappy: If any of you boyz are lying to me, I'm sending you to JD.

HOW HARD COULD IT BE TO COACH THE WARRIORS???
You're hired buddy.;)
 

Miket12

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 20, 2012
10,580
Bit of an insight into the half time speech Cappy made during the Knights game in day's Herald. For the first three games, he had the team running with lots of set plays with decoys and block runners. It seems he's now found Anderson's 2002 play book because he could see there was far to much lateral movement which the oppositions defenses could cope with too easily (funny, I remember people putting posts on here about that) so he went back to forwards dominating in their defense and their carries and then unleashing the back with ab-lib play - or as we prefer to call it "WarriorBall". Wouldn't also supprise me why we went after Lane, a big forward who takes a lot to bring down, can offload and will help to dominate. Welcome back to the days of the Monster Warriors Forwards.

Here's the full article:

League: Warriors close to finding right balance
7:50 AM Saturday Apr 9, 2016

The attacking style seen against the Roosters is where the side is at their best, says McFadden.

Warriors coach Andrew McFadden believes his team are close to playing the brand of attacking football that suits them best, with a fine balance of tight forward play and open, expressive running through the backline.

The Warriors' attack has been building in the last two victories over the Newcastle Knights and Sydney Roosters with some brilliant tries coming on the back of some of the club's trademark razzle dazzle.

McFadden is happy for his players to throw the ball around when opportunities present themselves but says the cornerstone of their improving form has been their go-forward through the middle of the park.

So long as they commit to working hard to gain yardage and momentum, particularly in their own half, he remains comfortable with them unleashing some more expansive and ad-lib play.

"What you saw on the weekend [against the Roosters] is the style of footy we want to play," said McFadden.

"There's a balance around that and you don't always get that right balance.

"And sometimes it changes from game to game depending on the circumstances.

"That's a style of footy that we like to play. It is more expansive and more ad-lib but that's not at the expense of being direct as well."

The Warriors' attack through the first three rounds centred on various set-plays involving decoy runners, but a lack of cohesion and go-forward meant they were often easily contained by Wests Tigers, Brisbane and Melbourne.

That trend continued into the first half of the Newcastle clash when many of their attempts to spread the ball early in sets saw them running laterally, before McFadden's angry halftime spray directed them back to basics and encouraged them to play off the back of their forward power.

"Sometimes it doesn't [work] because you haven't won the middle of the ruck," he said. "The impact of your plays out wide, there's a correlation between the way you win the middle of the field as well.

"So when you don't quite have that intent or aggression like we didn't [in the first half against Newcastle], all of a sudden your lateral plays don't work as well.

"When you get it right in the middle things seem to change."

The use of decoys has also come under close scrutiny this season with referees and the new bunker system clamping down hard on any player who catches the ball behind the inside shoulder of a decoy runner.

McFadden hopes their interpretation of the rule loosens as the season progresses, but admits the current crackdown is prompting the Warriors to consider alternative ways to attack their opponents.

Against the Roosters they benefited more from Issac Luke's running out of dummy half and only Shaun Johnson's second try came from a rehearsed set-play, while their other five four-pointers came off-the-cuff.

"They need to make an adjustment to their adjudication of the decoy runners," McFadden said. "They've made it very black and white but grey in other areas.

"There's always going to be some differing opinions about when there is obstruction but they've got to change the way they're looking at it at the moment.

"But in the meantime we're going to have to be wary of that situation."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/league/news/article.cfm?c_id=79&objectid=11619401
 

diehard

1st Grade Fringe
Jan 27, 2016
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A coach who can't coach tried to overcoach them. Idiot. Forwards run hard as at the line and the backline passes the ball around, waiting for a gap.
 
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6 Again

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Is it just me or have Manly lost their Aura, it's an ominous record they have against us but they've lacked the polish and consistency of performance in the last couple of seasons, their definitely not the side they were under Des Hasler ... yes we need to respect them like all sides but we shouldn't be mentally scarred by them.
 
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matiunz

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Jul 15, 2013
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It's tough to be confident going into any game but we have our best chance of getting one back on Manly today than we have for a long time.
If you have a look at the Manly forums they're taking us pretty lightly "it's only the Warriors" mentality, let's hope they're team are taking us lightly as well.
We need to get on top of them early as they're not the best starters and the up the defence and not let them back into it. If we can keep our momentum going and keep our confidence high and not take our foot off their throat we can go a long way to winning this.
 

janfin

1st Grade Fringe
May 13, 2012
646
Hamilton
Well not too long now to kick off Winning by 6 would so help this dull weather day become so much brighter just know you can do it ;);)
 

Navigator

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hey guys while I sit in freakin bright hot sun here in Qld what are we expecting for game time over there??
 
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