General Warriors stats breakdown

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KeepingTheFaith_old

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Ok, yes there's still one game to go, but I don't see one game making a difference, especially considering how injury hit our team is. So here's a breakdown of the Warriors stats for this season, taken directly from nrlstats.com so if the stats are wrong take it up with them.

All stats have been converted into averages, and a minimum of 5 games is required (23 players in total achieved this). Each stat will be ranked individually and players will be given a score from 1-23 with 23 points being top and 1 point being the worst. At the end they'll be totalled up to see who statistically has contributed the most, and then for the hell of it that total will be divided with the minutes played per game to find out who is the most productive player when they're actually on the field. So away we go.

***Disclaimer. These are pure stat based scores and don't reflect anything other than that. Stats very rarely tell the whole story and are prone to mislead those who don't take their eyes off the stats long enough to actually watch the games. They are there for entertainment/debate purposes and aren't mean to be taken as gospel in regards to a players performance/value to the team***

Line Breaks
23.Vatuvei/Hohaia (0.579)
21.Ah Van (O.538)
20.Kemp/Moon (0.500)
18.Locke (0.455)
17.Brown (0.357)
16.Mannering (0.318)
15.McKinnon (0.300)
14.Ta'ai/Fien (0.222)
12.Heremaia (0.200)
11.Jones (0.182)
10.Ropati (0.176)
9.Packer (0.150)
8.Price (0.143)
7.Lillyman (0.087)
6.Henderson (0.048)
5.Luck/Rapira (0.045)
1.Royal/Tuimavave/Matulino (0.000)

Line Break Assists
23.Moon (0.364)
22.Fien (0.333)
21.Hohaia (0.263)
20.Ropati (0.235)
19. Ah Van (0.230)
18.Price (0.214)
17.Packer (0.200)
16.Jones (0.182)
15.Brown/Henderson (0.143)
13.Mannering (0.136)
12.McKinnon/Heremaia (0.100)
10.Locke (0.91)
9.Matulino (0.056)
8.Vatuvei (0.053)
7.Rapira (0.045)
6.Lillyman (0.043)
1. Luck/Kemp/Ta'ai/Tuimavavae/Royal (0.000)

TRIES
23.Vatuvei (0.684)
22.Locke (0.364)
21.Moon (0.318)
20.Hohaia (0.316)
19.Ropati (0.294)
18.Fien (0.222)
17.Brown/Price (0.214)
15.McKinnon (0.205)
14.Mannering (0.182)
13.Ah Van (0.153)
12. Packer (0.150)
11.Ta'ai (0.111)
10.Heremaia/Kemp (0.100)
8.Rapira/Jones (0.91)
6.Royal (o.67)
5.Luck (0.45)
1. Tuimavavae/Lillyman/Matulino/Henderson (0.000)

Try Assists
23.Jones (0.818)
22.Ropati (0.294)
21.Moon (0.273)
20.Vatuvei (0.211)
19.McKinnon (0.205)
18.Hohaia (0.158)
17.Ah Van (0.153)
16.Henderson/Price (0.143)
14.Mannering (0.136)
13.Fien (0.111)
12.Packer (0.100)
11.Lillyman (0.087)
10.Matulino (0.056)
1.Tuimavavae/Ta'ai/Royal/Brown/Locke/Luck/Heremaia/Kemp/Rapira (0.000)

Tackle Breaks
23. McKinnon (5.500)
22.Hohaia (4.579)
21.Vatuvei (4.263)
20.Locke (3.636)
19.Brown (3.143)
18.Kemp (2.900)
17.Ta'ai (2.778)
16.Price (2.500)
15.Ah Van (2.384)
14.Mannering (2.227)
13.Moon (2.182)
12.Henderson (2.143)
11.Ropati (2.118)
10.Heremaia (1.500)
9. Packer (1.450)
8.Matulino (1.222)
7.Jones (1.182)
6.Fien (1.111)
5.Rapira (0.864)
4.Royal (0.800)
3.Luck (0.773)
2.Lillyman (0.609)
1. Tuimavavae (0.200)

Offloads
23. Price (2.000)
22.Vatuvei (1.895)
21.Moon (1.682)
20.McKinnon/Tuimavavae (1.400)
18.Mannering (1.182)
17.Ropati (1.118)
16.Henderson (1.095)
15.Royal (0.933)
14.Luck (0.909)
13.Ta'ai (0.889)
12.Rapira (0.864)
11.Jones (0.773)
10. Locke (0.636)
9.Hohaia (0.631)
8. Matulino (0.611)
7.Brown/Packer (0.500)
5.Fien (0.333)
4.Ah Van (0.307)
3.Kemp (0.200)
2.Lillyman (0.043)
1.Heremaia (0.000)

Runs
23.Price (17.286)
22.McKinnon (16.150)
21.Vatuvei (13.737)
20.Ropati (12.941)
19.Mannering (12.500)
18.Rapira (12.409)
17.Packer (11.900)
16.Tuimavavae (11.600)
15.Hohaia (10.947)
14.Locke (9.909)
13.Kemp (9.300)
12.Ta'ai (9.111)
11. Royal (8.533)
10.Lillyman (8.522)
9.Luck (8.409)
8.Ah Van (7.923)
7.Matulino (7.833)
6.Brown (7.571)
5.Moon (7.500)
4.Henderson (7.142)
3.Heremaia (5.700)
2.Fien (5.444)
1.Jones (4.273)

Metres Per Match
23.Price (145.071)
22.Vatuvei (134.684)
21.McKinnon (134.300)
20.Locke (109.545)
19.Rapira (103.318)
18.Mannering (101.909)
17.Packer (100.150)
16.Ropati (94.471)
15.Tuimavavae (89.600)
14.Hohaia (85.842)
13.Ta'ai (75.222)
12.Brown (69.642)
11.Kemp (69.500)
10.Roayl (67.200)
9.Matulino (64.056)
8.Lillyman (63.826)
7.Ah Van (62.615)
6.Moon (60.091)
5.Henderson (56.762)
4.Luck (56.455)
3.Heremaia (42.500)
2.Fien (31.556)
1.Jones (31.045)

Metres Per Run
23.Locke (11.055)
22.Vatuvei (9.804)
21.Brown (9.198)
20.Packer (8.416)
19.Price (8.392)
18.Rapira (8.326)
17.McKinnon (8.318)
16.Ta'ai (8.256)
15.Matulino (8.178)
14.Mannering (8.153)
13.Moon (8.012)
12.Henderson (7.948)
11.Ah Van (7.903)
10. Royal (7.875)
9.Hohaia (7.842)
8.Tuimavavae (7.724)
7.Lillyman (7.490)
6.Kemp (7.473)
5.Heremaia (7.456)
4.Ropati (7.339)
3.Jones 7.265)
2.Luck (6.714)
1.Fien (5.796)

Tackles Per Match
23.Luck (45.773)
22.Henderson (28.286)
21.Rapira (25.136)
20.Mannering (25.045)
19.Packer (23.600)
18.Brown (23.571)
17.Price (23.143)
16.Lillyman (21.695)
15.Fien (19.777)
14.Royal (19.667)
13.Hohaia (19.421)
12.Heremaia (18.100)
11.Jones (17.681)
10.Tuimavavae (17.200)
9.Ropati (16.235)
8.Matulino (15.444)
7.Moon (14.682)
6.Ta'ai (14.222)
5.Ah Van (13.538)
4.Locke (8.273)
3.Kemp (5.300)
2.Vatuvei (4.421)
1.McKinnon (3.900)

Tackle Percentage
23.Rapira (96.174)
22.Luck (95.966)
21.Price/Royal (95.779)
19.Packer (94.779)
18.Henderson (94.594)
17.Mannering (94.511)
16.Tuimavavae (94.505)
15.Ta'ai (92.086)
14.Brown (91.944)
13.Lillyman (91.224)
12.Ropati (90.789)
11.Matulino (89.667)
10.Jones (88.813)
9.Hohaia (88.249)
8.Fien (88.119)
7.Heremaia (87.864)
6.Moon (83.033)
5.Ah Van (79.908)
4.Locke (79.130)
3.Vatuvei (77.064)
2.Kemp (67.949)
1.McKinnon (66.102)

Errors
23.Packer (0.200)
22.Lillyman (0.261)
21.Matulino (0.278)
20.Henderson (0.381)
19.Heremaia (0.400)
18.Luck/Rapira (0.455)
16.Brown (0.500)
15.Hohaia (0.632)
14.Mannering (0.636)
13.Price (0.643)
12.Ta'ai (0.667)
11.Fien (0.778)
10.Locke (0.818)
9.Ah Van (0.846)
8.Royal (0.933)
7.Kemp/Tuimavavae (1.000)
5.Jones (1.045)
4.Moon (1.136)
3.Ropati (1.235)
2.McKinnon (1.400)
1.Vatuvei (1.632)

Penalties Conceded
23. Matulino (0.111)
22.Ropati (0.118)
21.Rapira (0.136)
20.Vatuvei (0.158)
19.Moon (0.182)
18.Tuimavavae/McKinnon (0.200)
16.Hohaia (0.211)
15.Locke/Mannering (0.273)
13.Packer (0.300)
12.Ah Van (0.308)
11.Jones (0.318)
10.Ta'ai/Fien (0.333)
8.Lillyman (0.348)
7.Price (0.429)
6.Luck (0.455)
5.Kemp (0.500)
4.Henderson (0.523)
3.Heremaia/Royal (0.600)
1.Brown (0.714)


Total
23. Price (221)
22. Vatuvei (208)
21. Mannering (206)
20. Hohaia (204)
19. Packer (194)
18. McKinnon (186)
17. Ropati (185)
16. Moon (179)
15. Rapira (176)
14. Locke (171)
13. Brown (164)
12. Henderson/Ta'ai (151)
10. Ah Van (146)
9. Matulino (131)
8. Fien (127)
7. Jones (118)
6. Tuimavavae (115)
5. Lillyman/Luck (113)
3. Royal (105)
2. Kemp (100)
1. Heremaia (88)

Production Per Minutes
23. Packer (4.838)
22. Ta'ai (3.882)
21. Matulino (3.819)
20. Price (3.817)
19. Rapira (3.570)
18. Brown (3.557)
17. Royal (3.191)
16. Hohaia (3.203)
15. Henderson (3.0234)
14. Mannering (2.714)
13. Tuimavavae (2.687)
12. Vatuvei (2.555)
11. Ropati (2.418)
10. Moon (2.387)
9. McKinnon (2.363)
8. Lillyman (2.152)
7. Locke (2.11)
6. Ah Van (1.973)
5. Heremaia (1.868)
4. Fien (1.841)
3. Jones (1.532)
2. Luck (1.425)
1. Kemp (1.239)
 

DanKokoro_old

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A Line break assist is awarded to the player who passes the ball to someone who makes a line break right?
 

DanKokoro_old

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Haha.. i still love lillymans offload count.. he averages 1 offload per 23.25 games.. great stuff
 

DanKokoro_old

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Yes.. well.. I think that's when that disclaimer becomes quite relevant.
 

DanKokoro_old

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Does that Production per Minute category give any valuable insight? Did you make it up KTF? Doesn't take into account position etc..
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Yes quite a few of those stats are misleading (as you'd expect from stats). Obviously Ta'ai and Lillyman if they were judged over the last month would be rated a lot different than the entire season.

The production per minutes was also very very skewed, mainly due to Matulino/Packer scoring big for low errors/penalty counts (can't make errors or give away penalties from the bench). However, some could also point at that and say that's evidence of the flair/mongrel being coached out of these guys.

I'd also say Vatuvei's handling errors is a bit off as a large number of those would've come from dropping a few of the numerous bombs that have come his way. Over all I think his hands have been very good this season.

I do think there are some very telling stats in their though. The metres per run and tackle breaks were two stats I found very interesting while putting together. Brown really stands out there and a strong off season could see him develop even further. That's been the biggest positive of this season, the emergence of Brown/Ta'ai in the backrow.

Price, Rapira, Packer, Brown, Mannering all scored some consistently strong numbers in most categories. That would suggest that our forwards for the most part haven't been terrible with the ball in hand.

Was quite surprised by Henderson's statistics. Maybe he should follow Brown into the backrow and open things for Hohaia and Mara/Heremaia to stake a claim for the hooking spot. Either that or just fitten up or move on out.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Does that Production per Minute category give any valuable insight? Did you make it up KTF? Doesn't take into account position etc..

Nah just an add on because I was bored. I just took their total score from those categories and divided it by the amount of minutes player per game. It really skews things. To get an accurate reading I'd probably have to work out EVERY category by minutes played to get an overall reading.
 

Tajhay_old

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stats prove a few things that everyone has known all season
1) kemp got shafted
2) fein is a better halfback then stacey
3) stacey besides bombing to manu does jack **** all well.
 

ToiletDuck_old

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Nah just an add on because I was bored. I just took their total score from those categories and divided it by the amount of minutes player per game. It really skews things. To get an accurate reading I'd probably have to work out EVERY category by minutes played to get an overall reading.

Get to it son. You'll become the 5th man on the review panel.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Tried a little something different with the stats. What I did was create a quick scoring system which is as follows.

Try = 10 points
Try Assist = 5
Line Break = 5
LB Assist = 5
Offload = 2
Tackle Break = 1
1 Run = 1
Metres = 1 point per metre
Tackle = 1

Negative points
Missed Tackle - 1
Error = -2
Penalty = -2

Now the majority of points comes down to Metres gained and Tackles Made with the rest being bonus points. Might seem a bit loaded in two categories, but at the end of the day running with the ball and making tackles is what league is all about.

So the formula goes. Total points divided by games played for a per match average, which is then divided by minutes played for a per minute average. Again this is for debate/entertainment purposes.

Per Match
1. Price (193.429)
2. Vatuvei (167.053)
3. McKinnon (162.700)
4. Mannering (145.55)
5. Rapira (141.409)
6. Packer (139.550)
7. Locke (134.636)
8. Ropati (129.706)
9. Hohaia (125. 895)
10. Tuimavavae (118.000)
11. Luck (110.227)
12. Brown (105.143)
13. Ta'ai (102.111)
14. Henderson (95.143)
15. Royal (94.800)
16. Lillyman (92.478)
17. Moon (91.409)
18. Ah Van (88.846)
19. Matulino (87.200)
20. Kemp (85.400)
21. Heremaia (65.800)
22. Fien (59.222)
23. Jones (57.364)

Per Minute
1. Packer (3.480)
2. Price (3.340)
3. Royal (2.881)
4. Rapira (2.868)
5. Tuimavavae (2.757)
6. Ta'ai (2.625)
7. Matulino (2.550)
8. Brown (2.281)
9. McKinnon (2.067)
10. Vatuvei (2.025)
11. Hohaia (1.976)
12. Mannering/Henderson (1.918)
14. Ropati (1.696)
15. Locke (1.662)
16. Lillyman (1.452)
17. Heremaia (1.397)
18. Luck (1.390)
19. Moon (1.219)
20. Ah Van (1.201)
21. Kemp (1.058)
22. Fien (0.858)
23. Jones (0.737)

A few things springe to mind.

1.) In hindsight I should've added kicking metres as Halves really aren't expected to do the bulk of the tackling/metre gaining so it's left them looking a lot worse than they are (or maybe not).

2.) Bench players have a high 'per minute' ratio largely because they can go hard out for short periods and appear more productive. I suspect that a few of those bench players would drop off a bit if they played extended minutes. On the flip side the bench players job is to provide impact so based on the stats, you could argue our bench has done their job.

3.) Price is the man, but Rapira and Packer aren't as far off as I would've thought. A good off season for Packer especially could see him push his minutes up and then it'd be interesting to compare.

4.) The more stats I look at, the more I think Henderson would be better served re-inventing himself as a backrower allowing room for someone dynamic like Mara to take a shot.
 

2big2strong_old

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Metres gained is hardly worth the same amount as something like a tackle bust. You've got Steve Price who is a high minutes prop that gets the ball on every kick return and makes nearly 200m every match. Someone like Locke hardly touches the ball 5 times in a single match so metres gained are limited, compared to someone like Price that demands the ball at least once in every set is not a fair example. You should add 'gets' in as a statistic as it shows just how involved certain players are even if they aren't running the ball. Shaun Johnson leads this stat every week in the NYC stats but he makes hardly any 'runs' or 'metres gained' so he'd figure very badly in this summary. I'd rate the metres gained at about 0.5 per metre at the max, that way it doesn't drown out every other stat in the end result. Without metres gained or runs included in the statistics Price would hardly even feature in this experiment, that hardly points out who our biggest contributor is and no way is it Steven Price, he's been 'steady' at best this year with all his injuries and S.O.O commitments I've almost forgotten he was still at the warriors. Nothing against him but his old body's obviously on it's way out.

Aside from that well done, made for some good educated reading. Good to see players like Brown etc right up there in the stats department.
 
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Kav_old

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This does not appear to have much point unless you have a standard to compare with.
There needs to be an average for each position in the NRL and then we can see how each of our players performed against that average.

Kav
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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This does not appear to have much point unless you have a standard to compare with.
There needs to be an average for each position in the NRL and then we can see how each of our players performed against that average.

Kav

lol you're talking about 400 odd players there, how much time do you think I have?

Basically I was curious about the Warriors seasons stats, afterwards I added a quick points system (without a huge amount of thought put into it) and then shared it to get other people's opinion. Can't imagine doing that for all NRL clubs.
 

DanKokoro_old

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lol you're talking about 400 odd players there, how much time do you think I have?

Basically I was curious about the Warriors seasons stats, afterwards I added a quick points system (without a huge amount of thought put into it) and then shared it to get other people's opinion. Can't imagine doing that for all NRL clubs.

I appreciated it dude.. love some good stats but dear god they really can be misleading. If you only looked at stats and never the games you'd assume that Wade has had an awesome year. Apparently has made more tackle breaks than Lance, Manu, and Kevin, probably our three most dangerous players. Having watched all the games that doesn't even seem possible.
I guess as a fullback it's often easy to bump off the first one or even two chasers because they're running so hard at you.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Absolutely stats are misleading. They don't always reward consistency, which is far more important than a player who is hit and miss.

Take a look at Moon in the tries category, then remember that 4 of those were in 1 game. McKinnon had 12 of those tackle breaks in one game, so based on the average (5.5) that leaves another game where he got none or 2-3 games where he only got 1-2. Stats are good for a debate or amusement, but really do more to blur the truth rather than anything else.

Actually come to think about it that McKinnon analogy there pretty much somes up our season. Good patches with far too much hit and miss, and that goes for nearly all the players.
 

playdaball_old

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You can have all the stats in the world but at the end of the day it has been a sh&te season.