Rumour Warriors Sex Rumours,lies And Conspiracy Action Plan.

Hadyn

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May 3, 2013
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Firstly may I take this opportunity to apologise in advance as to the length of this post but I feel that I need to get this off my chest.Secondly can I implore all Warriors fans on this sight to read this post,I am sure that once you do you will be incensed and be more than happy to join with me and take the action in asking every warriors fan at the grounds to start to implement the enclosed action plan.

For a start there are of course no Warriors sex rumours,I put that in to grab your attention as per the old Marketing 101 trick,this post contains no lies just facts about the conspiracy I believe that Warriors face every week.It is not mentioned officially obviously and therefore it is hard to prove but every Warriors supporter knows it exists.

Background; I have been an ardent Warriors fan from day one.I live in ChCh and therefore do not have the pleasure of being able to go to many games.I try to book holidays around where the warriors are that particular weekend so I can see them live occasionally and I have never missed a game on telly.I therefore get to a few games live.One such game was the Manly Grand Final.I was able to take my eldest son and my wife.The wife is an interesting beast who was never going to miss that chance for a weekend away and will watch the games with the rest of my crew but if I said to her when the game on telly was starting "here darling, here is a 100 bucks take yourself shopping" she would be off.This makes her interesting company when watching the games as I feel she is less biased than myself and the kids.This lack of bias has led to a proving (in my mind) of the suspicions I and so many Warriors fans have.My wifes' comments have validated my thoughts....I just now need proof...which I think I have found!!!

At the Manly Grand Final we sat down and the game started.The misses was into it, then the love of my life said something that basically took the wind out of my sails and had me remembering what it is like to be a Warriors fan.She said after about only 5 minutes in the first half "we're not going to win the reffs are against us".I was impressed with her vision but disappointed at the same time.I asked why do you say that (knowing the answer already myself)...she then confirmed my thoughts "when the Warriors have the ball,they are getting no room...not like Manly are." That is my wife's layman talk for Archer and Checken making sure we gave Manly a generous 10 metres and we were only getting 8 and 9 metres if we were lucky.We couldn't get much go forward all day.We were being stiffed right in front of us.Fat George Rose elbows Heremaia in the face...blatant foul play, yeah we get a penalty and fatso goes on report but him getting a ban to start next season doesn't help us or Heremaia....that fat prick needed ten in the bin...that would have helped us but no we can't have that.

It goes on, Mateo loses the ball, in a blatant two man strip...penalty for us?No fucken way..can't have that,Manly play on and Brett Stewart scores in the same set of six.A bit later on Anthony Watmough plays the ball on their 30 metre line facing the sideline.(remember 2011 was the first year they really came down hard on this with penalties all season if you were not perfectly facing forward whilst playing the ball) sure as eggs good position for a penalty for us.No fucken way again,can't have that, Manly allowed to play on and two plays later Cherry Evans scores by the post.Converted halftime score is 12-2.Barring absolute miracle game over.Warriors tried but that lead is just too much to overcome.
Fast forward to 2013, I know Mt Wellington believes the conspiracy and I think it was JSMoove who made the comment yesterday that I agree with.The penalty counts are absolute bullshit.I reckon that there have been this year at least 7 or 8 times when we have been hammered early in the penalty count.The result is that we then go down by 8,10,12 or 14 points and then fight our way back to sometimes win but more often than not lose.The media then look at the final penalty count and go "aw yeah the penalties ended up pretty close so that wasn't the reason the Warriors can say they lost".Bullshit it isn't.Those early lopsided penalty counts are fucking us,the refs are fucking us, as are the NRL hierarchy.

Don't get me wrong we have lost quite a few games fair and square but I also think the theory on those lopsided early penalty counts is very valid.After all we are only 2 points out of the eight at the moment.The problem with the dodgy early penalty count is that we have to tackle more,we have to start (subconsciously thinking) that we have to play catch up football,,game plans go out the window and ME substitution schedule probably does as well. The problem with the catch up football is that by definition it is high risk,meaning more mistakes and more opportunities for the opposition to score........but it "doesn't matter when the final penalty count is looked at as it has all evened up" ...yeah right!!!
Yesterdays Manly game was a case in point (to name one of many this year).They were good and played better than us but a 5-1 penalty count early killed us.We were in that game until the momentum changed with a double killer blow.The bust down field was looking really promising until Shaun Johnson kicked on the first tackle (brain fade/rush of blood no doubt) but double killed on the next play when Manu penalised for laying too long in the tackle.Bullshit again no worse than what they had done to us all game...no worse.....sure as eggs Manly score next set.Result: Warriors deflated and any chance of comeback effectively stifled.Thanks Jarred Maxwell(Mr Winker at Tigers game).

What is the NRLs motivation for this,is there any proof of any directive?Probably not,certainly not written anywhere.
As to motivation for all this....what is it.
I think the answer lies as follows....be rest assured as to what the NRL think about the Warriors.The Warriors are a club who sell lots of merchandise(fact) and have a good number of fans turn up for games anywhere and provide the NRL with an extra income stream re TV rights.That is it for the NRL they don't care for the Warriors apart from that,they think our fans are jokes(as evidenced by pretty much every TV shot of the fans shows the fattest,ugliest,most tattoed,laziest,crimanalist looking,unemployed, most number of kids in tow Maori or Pacific Islander the TV producers can find at any particular venue.That is the typical Warriors fan and they, Aussie TV, think its funny,laugh at us and promote that image.

The NRL, being an Australian competition based in Sydney,want for some reason the grand final to be ideally between Souths,Roosters,Bulldogs or Manly.That is there ideal.I don't know why, the Tickets are sold out before the grand finalist are known and enough visiting fans from outside Sydney come to town that weekend anyway.Really it does not make any difference to grand Final day who is playing.I think it is a bit of an historic hangover from the days when they wanted bragging rights over the AFL as to who has the biggest Grand Final Weekend.To me it doesn't matter but you can be rest assured that the NRL preference is for 2 Sydney teams and certainly not 2 non Sydney teams with absolute worst case being if one of those teams is the Warriors.!!!!!

Make no mistake this preference currently exists,we have heard all year about how great it will be if the Rabbits play the Roosters in the final(from Channel 9,Fox and the newpaper websites)I say bullshit,if the Warriors aren't there I simply want the two best teams,it matters not to me and I suspect every other non Rabbits /Roosters fan don't care who the hell is in the final.

This is the motivation and with it existing there is a subconscious (at the very least) desire to make it happen.How do you achieve such goals?Answer:

The only way practically possible.By influencing the results by using the refs to achieve your ends.This is a big call and it is difficult to prove but I think I have found the stats which to my devious,suspicious and conniving mind convince me I am right.

Early on this year I was watching a game and one of the Fox commentators made the comment that the Warriors " last year got the least number of penalties awarded to them' I couldn't believe that...what did he say? I quickly rewound the old my sky live play and sure enough he said it.I did not mishear that.The conversation then quickly moved on to how the warriors had always struggled with there discipline yeah yeah whatever I said to myself and they then started talking about how the Roosters were the most penalised team.

That snip bit of info released is to me dynamite,cast iron proof.The commentator mentioned that by mistake.There exists a tally somewhere being kept of penalties your team receives.Do not underestimate the importance of this statistic ....It proves bias and it is not published or discussed because of that fact .

A team may be heavily penalised and give up more than there share of penalties.The Warriors being penalised unjustifiably happens regularly but it is difficult to prove the bias because the powers that be will say and they do "ohhh that is just because you are a team with a bad discipline problem" .... hard to refute even if bias is coming into it,because it is hard to prove otherwise.
But, my soon to be vehemently outraged friends, what about the total of penalties your team receives(that is the help a team gets from the refs via their calls or the number of infringements the opposing team makes).This number has nothing and I mean nothing to do with your teams discipline.Over a season this figure should be fairly even over all the teams (with a little bit of natural variation of course) as you are playing all the same teams,some who give more penalties away than other and those that don't.

In summary,these figures should all be pretty close to each other I think most readers would agree.

Well here goes.(I will reveal the source of these stats a little later so you guys can double check them)
On average the average team across a whole season scores approx. 21 points per game and gets on average 6 penalties per match.Bit of basic maths says that on average each penalty contributes about (21/6) approx. 3.5 points on the scoreboard over a season for every penalty received..
2012:

I go to 2012 stats (remember these numbers should all be within a bulls roar of each other because it is nothing your team is doing, it is the reffs penalising the teams you are playing,whether your team has bad discipline or not (and the warriors have actually good discipline actually) does not effect these numbers)

Penalties received 2012 season:
1st (the most) Cronulla 151 total 6.04/game
down to 12th position Roosters 131 total 5.46/game.
The first 12 teams are averaging about 141 in total. 5.7/game.

Then the numbers get interesting....
13th position Brisbane 122 total 4.88/game
14th Eels 117 4.88/game (same average played one less game)
15th Knights 112 4.67/game

and then guess who got the least last year,go on .....you will never guess....yes you will
16th Warriors (a shockingly low figure of) 96 at exactly 4.00/game.No wonder they say" lets gone Warriors",we were gone before the season started.Bluey McLennan had no chance.

These averages mean that the Warriors were effectively starting at a disadvantage of 1.7penalties x 3.5 points a penalty = approx. 6 points behind every time they played any one of the 12 most favoured teams. As I said previously the NRL did not want the Warriors in the final last year.....Bluey was a dead man walking.
2013:

So what about this year.As I said previously that one comment slipped out on Fox at about round six this year.I found the website then and at that stage the Warriors were performing a little better than last year but were the team that had received the third least number of penalties,so what about now when we have gone on the run and started to threaten the eight....where are we positioned in this statistic......go on I dear you...have a guess.....give up....surprise surprise
1st position Cowboys 142 total 7.47/game
2nd Cronulla 138 total 7.26/game (reffs have to keep NSW captain and NRLs biggest grub sweet)

down to guess who (can't have them making the finals if we have anything to do with it)
16th Warriors 108 total 5.68/game.


What do these figures show;
1)-More penalties generally this year overall
2)-Instututionalised and now proven bias against the Warriors.These figures should be totally random,they have nothing to do with your own discipline,form or performance levels.
3)-The year we made the Grand final(2011) we were middle of the pack in these statistics getting a fairer go.As said before we can't have the Warriors in the final.
4)-As the Warriors have improved their position up the points table this season we have dropped down the stats in this table.
5)-6 more points in every game this season has us well and truly in the top four!!!!

What can be done...the call to action.
1)Matthew Elliot must be made aware of these stats.So that he can approach D Anderson.I think that Daniel Anderson will be sympathetic.I don't care if it looks like ME is moaning..I wan't him to moan so that these stats can be changed.It is ME's job to point things out like this.He has to give us every chance of winning.I am hoping that some forum member has contacts at Warriors HQ and can get them looking into it pronto.(if only for the effect that the refs know that we are watching them perhaps some of those 50:50 calls will go our way)
2) I call on Warriors fans at all grounds to become more vocal in trying to get us more penalties.I am often watching games at Brookvale,Cronulla,Penrith,Rabbits, Bulldogs and over the telly you hear the crowd riding the ref.Next thing you know some dodgy penalty is awarded against us.It happens a lot against us and needs to more for us.Come on Warriors supporters,get more vocal....get us more penalties.

Also in the website you might be interested to know that the ref with the worst apparent bias is that little poofy tight pants fairy Chris James who has reffed the Cowboys 12 times for 11 wins.Interestingly no ref favours the Warriors positively like that(no surprises there) but the worst reff historically was that little bastard Eddy Ward (ah yes I remember him) who had us for 10 games for 8 losses.
Stats available at www.stats.rleague.com
Thank you for your patience.
 
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rugged

1st Grade Fringe
May 1, 2012
2,234
I couldn't handle reading the whole thing but did you mention that we are the 3rd best club for penalties conceded? Pretty hard to make a. Good conspiracy theory when the majority of clubs get penalized more than us.

I hate the idea of us going down the "everyone is against us" route. I think that removes responsbility from the real issue and think losers blame refs but winners find a way to win.Souths and the roosters have basically received the same number of penalites as e warriors this year but manage to be successful.
 

Hadyn

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May 3, 2013
605
I couldn't handle reading the whole thing but did you mention that we are the 3rd best club for penalties conceded? Pretty hard to make a. Good conspiracy theory when the majority of clubs get penalized more than us.

I hate the idea of us going down the "everyone is against us" route. I think that removes responsbility from the real issue and think losers blame refs but winners find a way to win.Souths and the roosters have basically received the same number of penalites as e warriors this year but manage to be successful.
Sorry Rugged but you need to read the post.You have it around the wrong way.It is not , repeat not ,about penalties conceded(no conspiracy there,that would be bad discipline)It is about penalties received...read the post and you will understand.
 
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tajhay

Negative Nancy
Mar 30, 2012
10,546
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...read the post and you will understand.
It would be have been a lot easier to read and understand this post if you just used stats and a small paragraph to explain the issue. Right now as it is, we have to go through a journey of you watching a game with your missus, you giving her $100 to spend on shopping....and god what else before you try to get to make a point.
 

Hitman82

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May 18, 2012
3,962
Wellington
I only have 30 minutes to get ready for training, so I will have to revisit this impressive rant at a later time haha.

But in the meantime, I thoroughly disagree with any suggestion of organised conspiracy against us. I do however believe certain referees hold biased views toward players within our team, and our team as a whole, which can lead to seemingly unfair calls against us.

Read through nearly any NRL fan forum and you will find similar. though less Titanic, rants about biased referees and such.
 
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edd

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Jun 17, 2013
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I like the idea of using the refs to our own ends... But to make this happen we first need to gain a better understanding of the refs IMHO...

As far as I know the refs are all Australian born and bred. Which means they all follow Australian social norms, the main norm being a fanatical disgust for the upper classes and anyone who presents themselves as being superior in any way....

Peter Hartcher of the Sydney Morning Herald explains it thus: "(Australian) Citizens know that some among them will have more power and money than others... But according to the unspoken national ethos, no Australian is permitted to assume that he or she is better than any other Australian. How is this enforced? By the prompt corrective of levelling derision. It has a name—The "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The tallest flowers in the field will be cut down to the same size as all the others. This is sometimes misunderstood...It isn't success that offends Australians. It's the affront committed by anyone who starts to put on superior airs."

The Aussie refs all live with this idea in their hearts, of aggressively mocking anyone who acts like they're are better than the next guy, so any chance of using the refs to our own ends depends on our boys acting humble at all times. Which coincidentally was precisely what they were doing after the Panthers loss.... Acting humble.

(Mainly because they'd just been humbled. Until the storm win of course, when all humility was deemed unnecessary and the winning streak was officially ended).
 

Danpatmac

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Maybe if we were a team that had a fucken smidgen of mental toughness, none of this shit would matter!

There is a team I have been watching. Playing great attacking footy, defence has been awesome.
They have kept 5 or 6 teams to zero this season with pretty awesome defence.

They have also been one of the most if not the most penalised team in the NRL this season.

They also are on top of the table.

If you get your D right you can win games, lots of games no matter how many penalties you give away, warranted or otherwise.
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,810
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
I like the idea of using the refs to our own ends... But to make this happen we first need to gain a better understanding of the refs IMHO...

As far as I know the refs are all Australian born and bred. Which means they all follow Australian social norms, the main norm being a fanatical disgust for the upper classes and anyone who presents themselves as being superior in any way....

Peter Hartcher of the Sydney Morning Herald explains it thus: "(Australian) Citizens know that some among them will have more power and money than others... But according to the unspoken national ethos, no Australian is permitted to assume that he or she is better than any other Australian. How is this enforced? By the prompt corrective of levelling derision. It has a name—The "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The tallest flowers in the field will be cut down to the same size as all the others. This is sometimes misunderstood...It isn't success that offends Australians. It's the affront committed by anyone who starts to put on superior airs."

The Aussie refs all live with this idea in their hearts, of aggressively mocking anyone who acts like they're are better than the next guy, so any chance of using the refs to our own ends depends on our boys acting humble at all times. Which coincidentally was precisely what they were doing after the Panthers loss.... Acting humble.

(Mainly because they'd just been humbled. Until the storm win of course, when all humility was deemed unnecessary and the winning streak was officially ended).
Ummm, are you going off on your snobbery tangent again???
 
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wallacenz

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
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Early on this year I was watching a game and one of the Fox commentators made the comment that the Warriors " last year got the least number of penalties awarded to them' I couldn't believe that...what did he say? I quickly rewound the old my sky live play and sure enough he said it.I did not mishear that.The conversation then quickly moved on to how the warriors had always struggled with there discipline yeah yeah whatever I said to myself and they then started talking about how the Roosters were the most penalised team.
im not sure what your point is here. the warriors got the least number of penalties awarded to them.. some team has to. was he saying every year or just last year?
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,810
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
Maybe if we were a team that had a fucken smidgen of mental toughness, none of this shit would matter!

There is a team I have been watching. Playing great attacking footy, defence has been awesome.
They have kept 5 or 6 teams to zero this season with pretty awesome defence.

They have also been one of the most if not the most penalised team in the NRL this season.

They also are on top of the table.

If you get your D right you can win games, lots of games no matter how many penalties you give away, warranted or otherwise.
They ARE the most penalised team in the comp. Been reading some theories on this that say the Roosters will willing concede a penalty inside their 10 if their defensive line isnt set properly. Better to concede a penalty then a try so the theory goes.
 
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Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
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Other clubs target the Warriors mental weakness. You will hear retired players like Fittler ( who's opinion i respect ) and other players who I don't have much time for repeat the same mantra about letting the Warriors lose the game themselves ' they will always give you chances to win no matter how well they are playing they will give you chances to win and you have to be good enough to take them '

As for reffs thoughts about the Warriors , I;m sure intensive psychological testing would reveal the same ingrained thinking , the Warriors are mentally prone to deficiencies in their game which are well evidenced in their hap hazard style of play / approach to games.

I don't think the Reffs are out to get us , they more likely ( Warriors fans are of the same mind ) expect a cock ups and rule breaches.
Sometimes they are zealaots in the way they interpret 'Warriorness' but by in large it's little things like our lack of ball security ( frankly Manly and the Broncos are coached to rip the ball off the Hurrells and the Manu's ....to kick in behind Manu .....exploit these big freaks who are not exactly clinical players but are Warrior stereotypes ).
 
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rugged

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May 1, 2012
2,234
I couldn't handle reading the whole thing but did you mention that we are the 3rd best club for penalties conceded? Pretty hard to make a. Good conspiracy theory when the majority of clubs get penalized more than us.

I hate the idea of us going down the "everyone is against us" route. I think that removes responsbility from the real issue and think losers blame refs but winners find a way to win.Souths and the roosters have basically received the same number of penalites as e warriors this year but manage to be successful.
Sorry Rugged but you need to read the post.You have it around the wrong way.It is not ....that is not about penalties conceded(no conspiracy there,that would be bad discipline)It is about penalties received...read the post and you will understand.

Ok I just read most of your article. Your whole reasoning is based on a faulty premise. You assume that all clubs should receive the same amount of penalties. You consider the discipline of the team conceding as the only factor in determining penalties, but their are other factors. I could list several reason as to why a club may receive less penalties than others but will just give you two for the sake of time.
1) A team the completes more sets and has higher possession is likely to receive more penalties than teams that don't complete well and have less ball
2) A team that's forward pack is dominated is not likely to receive as many penalties as the opposition will have more dominant tackles and will legally be allowed to slow the ball down more.

If as a team you are not pressuring other teams then you are not going to force them into as many penalties. It doesn't and shouldn't even out across a competition. Note these are not the only reasons why more or less penalties occur, just pointing out the idea they should be even is ridiculous

We have received very similar number of penalties to both the Roosters and the Bunnies, are the also targeted by the referees? And how come they manage to be successful despite this terrible referee bias?

In short I don't believe in the conspiracy, it simply does not exist. Furthermore I think once you start trying to blame referees and administrators for your results rather than the players and coaching staff, you are placing accountability for our performance in the only place the club cannot influence.
 
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rugged

1st Grade Fringe
May 1, 2012
2,234
...read the post and you will understand.
It would be have been a lot easier to read and understand this post if you just used stats and a small paragraph to explain the issue. Right now as it is, we have to go through a journey of you watching a game with your missus, you giving her $100 to spend on shopping....and god what else before you try to get to make a point.
Quoted for truth
 

edd

1st Grade Fringe
Jun 17, 2013
1,217
I like the idea of using the refs to our own ends... But to make this happen we first need to gain a better understanding of the refs IMHO...

As far as I know the refs are all Australian born and bred. Which means they all follow Australian social norms, the main norm being a fanatical disgust for the upper classes and anyone who presents themselves as being superior in any way....

Peter Hartcher of the Sydney Morning Herald explains it thus: "(Australian) Citizens know that some among them will have more power and money than others... But according to the unspoken national ethos, no Australian is permitted to assume that he or she is better than any other Australian. How is this enforced? By the prompt corrective of levelling derision. It has a name—The "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The tallest flowers in the field will be cut down to the same size as all the others. This is sometimes misunderstood...It isn't success that offends Australians. It's the affront committed by anyone who starts to put on superior airs."

The Aussie refs all live with this idea in their hearts, of aggressively mocking anyone who acts like they're are better than the next guy, so any chance of using the refs to our own ends depends on our boys acting humble at all times. Which coincidentally was precisely what they were doing after the Panthers loss.... Acting humble.

(Mainly because they'd just been humbled. Until the storm win of course, when all humility was deemed unnecessary and the winning streak was officially ended).
Ummm, are you going off on your snobbery tangent again???
I never left it. Ha ha.

It's the only way I can think of to get the boys to start playing humble again, like they were when they were winning...
 

95 'til infinity

1st Grade Fringe
Jul 29, 2013
485
Brisbane,Aust.
I like the idea of using the refs to our own ends... But to make this happen we first need to gain a better understanding of the refs IMHO...

As far as I know the refs are all Australian born and bred. Which means they all follow Australian social norms, the main norm being a fanatical disgust for the upper classes and anyone who presents themselves as being superior in any way....

Peter Hartcher of the Sydney Morning Herald explains it thus: "(Australian) Citizens know that some among them will have more power and money than others... But according to the unspoken national ethos, no Australian is permitted to assume that he or she is better than any other Australian. How is this enforced? By the prompt corrective of levelling derision. It has a name—The "Tall Poppy Syndrome". The tallest flowers in the field will be cut down to the same size as all the others. This is sometimes misunderstood...It isn't success that offends Australians. It's the affront committed by anyone who starts to put on superior airs."

The Aussie refs all live with this idea in their hearts, of aggressively mocking anyone who acts like they're are better than the next guy, so any chance of using the refs to our own ends depends on our boys acting humble at all times. Which coincidentally was precisely what they were doing after the Panthers loss.... Acting humble.

(Mainly because they'd just been humbled. Until the storm win of course, when all humility was deemed unnecessary and the winning streak was officially ended).

Stopped reading at "As far as I know the refs are all Australian born and bred".You forgot Henry...
 

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