General Warriors Set to be Sold?

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  • Fale Consortium


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mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Yep I’ve got three kids all boys who like the league, but to go, parking, drinks and food it’s just too much. Improve the food and drink aspect and stop ripping off the punters, if Mt Smart didn’t charge the vendors so much or capped the prices it would be a better experience. A bit like going to the movies, tickets are 15 bucks but the popcorn and drinks are another 20, it bullshit.
Vendors are all contracted to the catering company that has the licence at Mt Smart. That licence is issued by the council who own the park. Warriors get a portion of the takings buy most go to the vendors themselves, the catering subcontractor and the council.

Sounds like too many hands in the pot to me...
 

gREVUS

Long live the Rainbows and Butterflies
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With all due respect, on what basis?

The game has been around for over a century, it is a 2nd class sport still (that may even be optimistic).

I just don't buy that a huge/significant increase in fans is out there... an increase? Sure.
But not what Fale has been intimating.

And history tells us this.
based on the fact that there is a million and one ideas out there that havent been tried yet. I respect the fact that people have been doing this for years but there must be more ways to do this. Otherwise the warriors might as well admit defeat now because for years numbers have been in decline.

I get that winning makes a difference and yay thats whats happening now, but the odds are against the warriors.

IMO the grudge match should be pushed, seats, unlike what mr Fale said should be cheaper. There should be a push to increase buy-in in places like CHCH and Dunedin. I mean shit im stupid and i can think of things they havent done. Heres another one, one of the most popular events at the commonwealth games was womens volleyball, how bout an event where people play against the womens volley ball side at half time and maybe even before the game as well. I had lots of ideas as did others in this thread, and i guarantee most wont work. However some will but not if people keep doing the same shit over and over.

the reality is his statement is right, if there are a million people in AKLD and only 25k at the game there is a huge potential to increase the fan base.
 
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gREVUS

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Vendors are all contracted to the catering company that has the licence at Mt Smart. That licence is issued by the council who own the park. Warriors get a portion of the takings buy most go to the vendors themselves, the catering subcontractor and the council.

Sounds like too many hands in the pot to me...
its interesting that so many people comment on food as an issue, and that the warriors have no control over such a major part of the fan experience.
 

Danpatmac

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based on the fact that there is a million and one ideas out there that havent been tried yet. I respect the fact that people have been doing this for years but there must be more ways to do this. Otherwise the warriors might as well admit defeat now because for years numbers have been in decline.

I get that winning makes a difference and yay thats whats happening now, but the odds are against the warriors.

IMO the grudge match should be pushed, seats, unlike what mr Fale said should be cheaper. There should be a push to increase buy-in in places like CHCH and Dunedin. I mean shit im stupid and i can think of things they havent done. Heres another one, one of the most popular events at the commonwealth games was womens volleyball, how bout an event where people play against the womens volley ball side at half time and maybe even before the game as well. I had lots of ideas as did others in this thread, and i guarantee most wont work. However some will but not if people keep doing the same shit over and over.

the reality is his statement is right, if there are a million people in AKLD and only 25k at the game there is a huge potential to increase the fan base.

My issue with all this is it isn't the game/team that will bring people to the game it is womens volleyball and wifi and better food... but if I want to see volleyball I will go watch volleyball. If I want wifi I will stay home and there are a million places to eat better than mt smart.
So what you end up with is tourists, not fans. The problem with tourists is they are temporary visitors and that to me is the issue... it is unsustainable.

I believe there is a finite number of people in AKL for example who are or are interested in being an actual Warriors fan. We haven't reached that number yet for a variety of reasons... but I'm willing to bet that those who aren't fans are most likely to be because it is a perennial losing team.
Fix that and you will bring in more punters... but bringing in even 40k to every home game in this town, to this team and against the rival codes/entertainments/options/issues, I simply don't see it ever happening even if we had midget tossing and Elvis performing at halftime ... and better wifi

they were basically giving away tickets at the rugby world cup just to fill the stadiums.
 

gREVUS

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My issue with all this is it isn't the game/team that will bring people to the game it is womens volleyball and wifi and better food... but if I want to see volleyball I will go watch volleyball. If I want wifi I will stay home and there are a million places to eat better than mt smart.
So what you end up with is tourists, not fans. The problem with tourists is they are temporary visitors and that to me is the issue... it is unsustainable.

I believe there is a finite number of people in AKL for example who are or are interested in being an actual Warriors fan. We haven't reached that number yet for a variety of reasons... but I'm willing to bet that those who aren't fans are most likely to be because it is a perennial losing team.
Fix that and you will bring in more punters... but bringing in even 40k to every home game in this town, to this team and against the rival codes/entertainments/options/issues, I simply don't see it ever happening even if we had midget tossing and Elvis performing at halftime ... and better wifi

they were basically giving away tickets at the rugby world cup just to fill the stadiums.
i dont disagree with you, but there is an old adage that getting people through the door is the most important thing. Once their there they will get caught in the excitement and energy of the game and all of a sudden you are up a fan that never thought of being one.

Companies put major effort into poaching customers of rival businesses, and getting kids involved as young as they can as they understand that most people are incredibly loyal and need an actual reason to change away from supporting their business. IMO this is no different in the sporting world. Get the kids coming when they are young and sell em mini memberships. a percentage will still be there in years to come even when the team is doing badly, even years after. Also the Warriors need a rival, a grudge match that has bite. A second team in the comp from NZ would give this, you know how they talk the local darby games up in sydney. Not that i am actually in favor of a second NZ team. Maybe a pacific team instead. Maybe a way of ranking themselves against the fan turn out at the best placed Rugby games is all thats required to make people want to show up just to give it to em. Hell maybe something showing fan turn out to all sorts of other sporting events like soccer or netball, basketball or tennis would do it, anything that makes a supporter proud of their involvement in this and not that.

I'm not saying that i really believe i have the answers. I just happen to believe that Fale was right when he made the comment that there is potential and that there are many other ways of trying to achieve this.
 
i dont disagree with you, but there is an old adage that getting people through the door is the most important thing. Once their there they will get caught in the excitement and energy of the game and all of a sudden you are up a fan that never thought of being one.

Companies put major effort into poaching customers of rival businesses, and getting kids involved as young as they can as they understand that most people are incredibly loyal and need an actual reason to change away from supporting their business. IMO this is no different in the sporting world. Get the kids coming when they are young and sell em mini memberships. a percentage will still be there in years to come even when the team is doing badly, even years after. Also the Warriors need a rival, a grudge match that has bite. A second team in the comp from NZ would give this, you know how they talk the local darby games up in sydney. Not that i am actually in favor of a second NZ team. Maybe a pacific team instead. Maybe a way of ranking themselves against the fan turn out at the best placed Rugby games is all thats required to make people want to show up just to give it to em. Hell maybe something showing fan turn out to all sorts of other sporting events like soccer or netball, basketball or tennis would do it, anything that makes a supporter proud of their involvement in this and not that.

I'm not saying that i really believe i have the answers. I just happen to believe that Fale was right when he made the comment that there is potential and that there are many other ways of trying to achieve this.

Look at Newcastle, for the last few seasons they’ve had the wooden spoon. Yet they’ve still averaged 15k or more to games. This season with a few wins they’ve now sold 22,000 tickets for the game, which kicks off at 6pm.

What is more amazing is the fact Newcastle is a lot smaller then Auckland.
 
Hopeful Warriors buyer Richard Fale reveals his future plans and slams the ARL's ' boring culture'
Richard Fale may have lost the sale of the Warriors, but it won't be the last New Zealand can expect to see of the Hawaiian businessman.

The Warriors confirmed on Wednesday that the club was sold to Carlaw Heritage Trust and Autex Industries Limited for $18 million, which saw the Auckland-based NRL club formally become integrated into New Zealand's rugby league landscape.

Read more: League: Confirmed - Warriors announce ownership change

The unravelling of the sale came to the disappointment of Fale and his US-Tongan consortium, who had been engaged in talks to buy the club for months.

But Fale said New Zealand was "not even close" to seeing the last of him, revealing that he had already been approached by a number of prospects.

"We developed some great relationships there [New Zealand]. People have already asked to partner with us moving forward in a number of different directions," Fale told Radio Sport Breakfast.
Read more: Autex Industries to become joint owners of Warriors

"We have absolutely fallen in love in the national rugby league and the opportunities that it presents, it's a very exciting sport."

"The Super Rugby competition was the original reason why the group came together, seeking an opportunity for a Pacific Islander franchise that would most likely be based in Hawaii, and so the whole rugby union thing is definitely on the radar for sure."

The Hawaiian politician said the ARL's "boring" culture was the most unfortunate part of the fallen deal, slamming the organisation for not making the enhancement of game-day experience a priority.

Fale, who said he had been expecting a successful purchase agreement from the Warriors for months, didn't believe Watson's reduced price was a true reflection of the club's value and said the former Warriors owner was "desperate for a dollar".

Read more: League: Former Kiwis coach Graham Lowe rubbishes rumours he's primed for top role at Warriors

"Eighteen million, it's an ok price, I think it's not reflective of the true value of the Warriors, but Eric Watson was hurting for money ... he was so desperate that he was going to take a dollar from wherever he could get it."

"The most unfortunate thing from this is that the fact that the ARL are such a boring organisation ... You can just see that there's no vision there, there's no sense or understanding of what sport and entertainment is."

"It isn't about a bunch of guys passing a ball around on the field, even though that's important, it's the values that you're sharing and it's the enjoyment of the competition there."

Fale confirmed that a lack of finance was not an issue that held up a successful deal between his consortium and Watson.

Instead, Fale revealed that it was the clubs hesitancy to provide clarification on particular matters that prevented the deal to move forward.

"They'd been sitting on the purchase agreement that we sent them for over a month ... but there were a couple of things that they said they were going to do and we were expecting."

"At the top of that list was just proof and demonstration that the team wasn't caught up in any of the legal issues … Then the second thing was that they said they were going to put the deal on some sort of insurance to make sure it was going to go through the way it was going to go through."

"We had more than triple of what they were asking, but not being able to demonstrate those things that we were looking for certainty on, we knew that we wouldn't be able to push the deal forward."
 

gREVUS

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reading this in australia, im always having to remind myself that hes talking about Auckland Rugby league, not Australian Rugby league. I imagine most aussies without a kiwi background would think that hes having a go at their ARL, which im not sure he even knows exists.
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Hopeful Warriors buyer Richard Fale reveals his future plans and slams the ARL's ' boring culture'
Richard Fale may have lost the sale of the Warriors, but it won't be the last New Zealand can expect to see of the Hawaiian businessman.

The Warriors confirmed on Wednesday that the club was sold to Carlaw Heritage Trust and Autex Industries Limited for $18 million, which saw the Auckland-based NRL club formally become integrated into New Zealand's rugby league landscape.

Read more: League: Confirmed - Warriors announce ownership change

The unravelling of the sale came to the disappointment of Fale and his US-Tongan consortium, who had been engaged in talks to buy the club for months.

But Fale said New Zealand was "not even close" to seeing the last of him, revealing that he had already been approached by a number of prospects.

"We developed some great relationships there [New Zealand]. People have already asked to partner with us moving forward in a number of different directions," Fale told Radio Sport Breakfast.
Read more: Autex Industries to become joint owners of Warriors

"We have absolutely fallen in love in the national rugby league and the opportunities that it presents, it's a very exciting sport."

"The Super Rugby competition was the original reason why the group came together, seeking an opportunity for a Pacific Islander franchise that would most likely be based in Hawaii, and so the whole rugby union thing is definitely on the radar for sure."

The Hawaiian politician said the ARL's "boring" culture was the most unfortunate part of the fallen deal, slamming the organisation for not making the enhancement of game-day experience a priority.

Fale, who said he had been expecting a successful purchase agreement from the Warriors for months, didn't believe Watson's reduced price was a true reflection of the club's value and said the former Warriors owner was "desperate for a dollar".

Read more: League: Former Kiwis coach Graham Lowe rubbishes rumours he's primed for top role at Warriors

"Eighteen million, it's an ok price, I think it's not reflective of the true value of the Warriors, but Eric Watson was hurting for money ... he was so desperate that he was going to take a dollar from wherever he could get it."

"The most unfortunate thing from this is that the fact that the ARL are such a boring organisation ... You can just see that there's no vision there, there's no sense or understanding of what sport and entertainment is."

"It isn't about a bunch of guys passing a ball around on the field, even though that's important, it's the values that you're sharing and it's the enjoyment of the competition there."

Fale confirmed that a lack of finance was not an issue that held up a successful deal between his consortium and Watson.

Instead, Fale revealed that it was the clubs hesitancy to provide clarification on particular matters that prevented the deal to move forward.

"They'd been sitting on the purchase agreement that we sent them for over a month ... but there were a couple of things that they said they were going to do and we were expecting."

"At the top of that list was just proof and demonstration that the team wasn't caught up in any of the legal issues … Then the second thing was that they said they were going to put the deal on some sort of insurance to make sure it was going to go through the way it was going to go through."

"We had more than triple of what they were asking, but not being able to demonstrate those things that we were looking for certainty on, we knew that we wouldn't be able to push the deal forward."
Richard Fail has no idea what he is talking about. He thinks he can ride into town and tell people from another culture how they are misguided. Sad thing is its Fail who is the poor misguided fool.

Said it before and I'll say it again. Kiwis do not support losers. Especially Aucklanders. It wouldn't matter if you put on a free carnival, R18 strip bar and buffalo wing buffets at every game. The game is the centre stage. You could all that for the Auckland Blues and I would still never go to a game.

We may not have seen the last of him but he won't be buying jack shit in this country after failing to buy the Warriors. NZR certainly wont put up with his bullshit and will the simpleton in his place quick smart. Sooner or later he will fade back into oblivion and go back to selling toothpaste to get a 2nd hand car...
 
Richard Fail has no idea what he is talking about. He thinks he can ride into town and tell people from another culture how they are misguided. Sad thing is its Fail who is the poor misguided fool.

Said it before and I'll say it again. Kiwis do not support losers. Especially Aucklanders. It wouldn't matter if you put on a free carnival, R18 strip bar and buffalo wing buffets at every game. The game is the centre stage. You could all that for the Auckland Blues and I would still never go to a game.

We may not have seen the last of him but he won't be buying jack shit in this country after failing to buy the Warriors. NZR certainly wont put up with his bullshit and will the simpleton in his place quick smart. Sooner or later he will fade back into oblivion and go back to selling toothpaste to get a 2nd hand car...

this is on the money. he is ignorant and has zero idea. if one thing works in the US it does not translate into success in NZ/Aus.. there is not a world wide blue print for sports success. Even if there was he has no experience in american sport either lol
 
Obviously this guy is an attention whore & we have a soft NZ media letting him run his mouth while not fully scrutinising his actual record as a businessman.

Would a successful businessman's wife really need to sell Amway toothpaste to make payments on a 2010 Toyota? AND Yet we are supposed to believe money is no object to this consortium.

This guy reckons he can revolutionise sports entertainment in NZ - yet can't afford to get a new car for his wife? Yet we are haters or idiots for questioning if he is actually capable of achieving what he's spouting.

I feel bad about posting this - but this is the reality for who this guy is.
I'll give it too him he talks a good game though.
 

Ever Hopeful

Contributor
"You haven't seen the last of me. I'm so super popular and everyone wants me so much that I have 6 trillion other offers that I am working through right now from organisations that are soooo much better than yours. I barely have time to think whilst I work my way through the intricacies of these offers......"

[Despite these time consuming offers and the work that I'm doing, the priority is to log on to the fan forum of the team I pretended to be close to buying to 'throw some more bombs' at random (racist/ARL spy) dudes in their lounge while they are eating dinner in an effort to try and stay relevant and be noticed by somebody...anybody...]

 
1. Nobody supports losers
2. Too much rugby = less interest
3. Too easy to watch at home in comfort of warm lounge, cold beers, buffalo wings and strippers

So what you're saying is that Mt Smart needs heated seats, wings, and strippers. Hell, don't even live in Auckland and I'd make my way to Mt Smart for that.

Had that dejavu feeling when our new owners came out talking about winning a title in 3-4 years. The big talk has started already.
 
That article listing we haven't heard the last of him. He comes across as someone who takes thing way to personally. If someone purchases something for a lower prices than you were willing to pay for it, count your blessings and move on. Instead we hear that the Watson was so desperate for cash he'd take top dollar from whoever he could get it from.

It that was the case surely the club would of been sold months ago for $24 million.

Most businessmen if they make things personal do it privately. The majority don't sling insults around turning off a market they hope to do business in. Most just move on to the next deal.
 
I dont find the ticket prices too bad, you can get a family pass 2 adults 2 kids in Silver zone for $50. How much cheaper could it be? Thats about the same as going to the movies for my family.
Sure the food isnt cheap but you expect a bit of a premium at an event. White Lady burgers are good too, but get there quick at halftime or you miss the start of the 2nd half.
 
I dont find the ticket prices too bad, you can get a family pass 2 adults 2 kids in Silver zone for $50. How much cheaper could it be? Thats about the same as going to the movies for my family.
Sure the food isnt cheap but you expect a bit of a premium at an event. White Lady burgers are good too, but get there quick at halftime or you miss the start of the 2nd half.
And you can bring food from home too.

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