General Warriors Salary Cap Discussion

[mt.wellington]

Mount Wellington will know for sure but my understanding is when they are signed for say $300,000 that is the maximum they might earn including match payments. If they spend the whole time injured they get less.

This is what I was told.

Depends on the way the contract is structured.

Most regular starters (Simon Mannering, Ben Matulino, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, etc) get signed to straight contracts. Their salary is the same regardless of whether they play or not. No match payments.

Most of the rest of the top 25 will get match payments for any NRL games. Players like Sam Lisone. When you see players like Solomone Kata or Tuimoala Lolohea get re-signed its generally a little cheaper for the club but ensures a base salary for the players whether they play or not.

Some get a straight contract for NSW Cup with match payments only coming into effect if they make the NRL team. This is a requirement under NRL rules and generally isnt worded into the contract...

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

I wouldn't trust these sort of reports. They are always shoddy when it comes to the Warriors. $90k would have been plucked out of thin air I'd say.

What's the salary cap these days? $7m or so? What's that, like 1.3% of the salary cap. I think if he drops the grass cutter act he's a good player. He does create line speed in defence. I would guess he'd go to $250k which is 3.6% of the cap.

 

[Jay M]

What's the salary cap these days? $7m or so? What's that, like 1.3% of the salary cap. I think if he drops the grass cutter act he's a good player. He does create line speed in defence. I would guess he'd go to $250k which is 3.6% of the cap.

I would honestly hope he's not already on $160k given Ayshford is on $145k, and Wright is on less too.

I would have thought Gubb would currently be on or close to minimum wage which is AU$80k.

 

[tajhay]

The 2016 NRL Salary cap is 6.8m for the top 25 players.

Purely speculative, but if:
Shaun Johnson is on 800k
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is on 800k
Issac Luke is on 600k
Simon Mannering is on 650k
Ryan Hoffman is on 600k
Manu Vatuvei is on 450k
Konrad Hurrell is on 400k
Ben Matulino is on 450k

That leaves around 2m for the remaining 17 players, an average of 117k.
Factor in that the remaining amount includes first grade regulars like Lolohea, Thompson, Kata, Leuluai, Lisone.

Just for interests sake, if the above mentioned players are on 200k each, that leaves 83k each for the remaining 12 players still unaccounted for. Keep in mind that the 2016 minimum salary is 80k.

Is Gubb still worth 250k?

My answer would be a resounding no, for what is essentially a fringe bench player.

* All these salary values are purely speculative / hunches based on media reports

 

[drake83]

The 2016 NRL Salary cap is 6.8m for the top 25 players.

Purely speculative, but if:
Shaun Johnson is on 800k
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is on 800k
Issac Luke is on 600k
Simon Mannering is on 650k
Ryan Hoffman is on 600k
Manu Vatuvei is on 450k
Konrad Hurrell is on 400k
Ben Matulino is on 450k

That leaves around 2m for the remaining 17 players, an average of 117k.
When you factor in that the remaining amount includes first grade regulars like Lolohea, Thompson, Kata, Lisone, then 250k for a fringe bench player like Gubb, is far too much.

Don't forget Lousi is suppose to be on a fair whack of coin too

 

[6 Again]

Don't forget Lousi is suppose to be on a fair whack of coin too

Yep, not mention that vacuous waste of money Feleti Mateo, were still paying overs for him.

 

[drake83]

There is also a long service allowance to which I think falls outside the cap where manners and Manu will be in.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

The 2016 NRL Salary cap is 6.8m for the top 25 players.

Purely speculative, but if:
Shaun Johnson is on 800k
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck is on 800k
Issac Luke is on 600k
Simon Mannering is on 650k
Ryan Hoffman is on 600k
Manu Vatuvei is on 450k
Konrad Hurrell is on 400k
Ben Matulino is on 450k

That leaves around 2m for the remaining 17 players, an average of 117k.
Factor in that the remaining amount includes first grade regulars like Lolohea, Thompson, Kata, Leuluai, Lisone.

Just for interests sake, if the above mentioned players are on 200k each, that leaves 83k each for the remaining 12 players still unaccounted for. Keep in mind that the 2016 minimum salary is 80k.

Is Gubb still worth 250k?

My answer would be a resounding no, for what is essentially a fringe bench player.

* All these salary values are purely speculative / hunches based on media reports

TPAs.

 

[6 Again]

Konnie's $400k will go a long way for next year, can't see him getting resigned at this stage. Is this the last year also for Mateo & Lousi? Just those three alone we could spectulate $650k... May be $700k, that'd buy something(s) decent

I guess you must be talking about Konnie getting out of his contract with the Warriors to join another NRL club because he's currently contracted to the Warriors until 2018.

Your right, we should free up enough cap next year for a new star recruit, our current roster is a drawcard in itself. Top players not only want to be paid well they want to win premierships and we're starting to assemble a formidable line up to where we should be able to mount a realistic tilt at the premiership within the next 2-3 years.

 

[Off The Bench]

I don't think ayshford will be as cheap next year ? But he'll yeah we should be in for some
goodness , I just hope they don't announce it to the off season, this time ,

 

[Defence]

Why does everyone think we're still paying Mateo?
It was public knowledge they were paying part of his salary last year but I've never seen anything to say we're still paying this year.
More likely we would've told manly we'd pay half his salary for 2015 then he's your problem.
Do people think brisbanes still paying for barba?

 

[Diesel]

I don't mind giving Ayshford an upgrade as he's getting back to WT's form, still a little way off but building there. Whether he's used as depth or top 3 centres in the club, but I know JD won't pay overs.

As for Hurrell, I thought this was his last year. Hopefully that NZ Passport comes through soon

 

[Blain]

Why does everyone think we're still paying Mateo?
It was public knowledge they were paying part of his salary last year but I've never seen anything to say we're still paying this year.
More likely we would've told manly we'd pay half his salary for 2015 then he's your problem.
Do people think brisbanes still paying for barba?

He was contracted at the Warriors until the end of 2016, why would Manly be paying his total (over inflated) contract this season? We took what we could for him.. Wouldn't be surprised if Manly are paying for less than half his shithouse Dean Bell circa $400k contract..

If Manly were paying his total contract value, they would have got rid of him by now. He barely makes the bench there.

 

[Gizzyfan]

He was contracted at the Warriors until the end of 2016, why would Manly be paying his total (over inflated) contract this season? We took what we could for him.. Wouldn't be surprised if Manly are paying for less than half his shithouse Dean Bell circa $400k contract..

If Manly were paying his total contract value, they would have got rid of him by now. He barely makes the bench there.

I see Manly fans call him the matatoe

 

[Blain]

C Gubb is a bench player good enough for 15 games max for 20 mins s game. 170K seems about right for his position and skill set.
Anything more is paying overs.
Remember his block running is terrible and his rushing up is a low percentage play that costs the team when he hits air.

Mateo is no longer being paid by us surely. Normally a player gets paid for one season after they leave. JD wouldn't pay for 2. That'd be shit management.
If Lousi is on more than minimum then I see why Scurrah Bell and Elliott have all been sacked. That is serious dead money.
Club should trade/restructure Konnies deal. Whatever hes on is too much for his amount of handling errors and limited impact in the last 18 months. His inability to step, draw and pass, defend and catch has caught up with him. I see why Cappy uses him as a battering ram like Matagi.

JD didn't have anything to do with Mateos deal. Done before he got here. Lousi is known to be on good coin, some have said upwards of $300k??? Don't believe that much myself, but there you go.

 

[Billyspleen75]

I see Manly fans call him the matatoe

Im disappointed we never called him Feleti Potato

 

[way2sharp]

I didn't realise TL is Stacey Jones reincarnated.

Now you know!

 

[Defence]

He was contracted at the Warriors until the end of 2016, why would Manly be paying his total (over inflated) contract this season? We took what we could for him.. Wouldn't be surprised if Manly are paying for less than half his shithouse Dean Bell circa $400k contract..

If Manly were paying his total contract value, they would have got rid of him by now. He barely makes the bench there.

Manly tried to offload him for this year but no one wanted him.
Why would they want to offload someone if they weren't even paying them?
Anyway it would be very unusual for a club to be paying a players wage two years after they were released.
It's just become an urban legend around here as far as I can see.
If someone's got any evidence to the contrary I'd be interested to hear it.

 

[diehard]

Believe Manu is on $800,000, not $400,000. Question: Do we get to use Roger Tuivasa-Sheck salary cap for the rest of the year? To buy another player?

 

[Navigator]

Believe Manu is on $800,000, not $400,000. Question: Do we get to use Roger Tuivasa-Sheck salary cap for the rest of the year? To buy another player?

I think not as we still have to pay him weather he is on the field or not.