General Warriors Salary Cap Discussion

fizurg

fizurg

If that was the case with sao (not saying it's not) and the clubs made up their mind that he won't feature in first grade again this year, wouldn't they have looked to release him before vete?
What's the point keeping him around?
I'm a fan so I hope that's not the case and he gets a run this week.

Honestly I wouldnt know. Only possible explanation is that Ligis $200k salary bumps up to $300k per year next year.
So playing him this year costs our cap $100k next year.
Obviously I wouldn’t know the details and the figures are made up. But if that extra $100k will mean the difference between re-signing Luke you could see why they would do it.
 
Defence

Defence

Im assuming they only release them when they have a party interested in taking them. If Ligi has no future home lined up, they wouldnt be able to release him

That's true but I'd be surprised if he didn't have any takers- good player, first grade proven and still young with his best footy ahead of him.
It's a strange one.
 
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mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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An article earlier in the year stated that Perham had been upgraded to the top 30 so that would round things out. You would have to imagine that someone replaces Vete with him no longer signed by the club
If I remember correctly the article only said his contract had been upgraded. I don't remember it saying top 30. Could just mean he went from a Jersey Flegg contract to an ISP one...
 

Swanny

If I remember correctly the article only said his contract had been upgraded. I don't remember it saying top 30. Could just mean he went from a Jersey Flegg contract to an ISP one...

Yeah you are right, I may have been reading too much into it. I assumed it was referring to Cook and Perham being in the top 30. An article below

Warriors sign Titans utility Karl Lawton
NRL.com
Thu 1 Mar 2018, 04:04 PM

The Warriors have signed Gold Coast Titans utility Karl Lawton on a two-year deal, while also upgrading the contracts of young hooker Sam Cook and fullback Hayze Perham.
 
Wellington Warrior

Wellington Warrior

Top 30 squads may become publicised in 2019

A list of top 30 squads may get publicised next season as the league looks to for greater transparency with its rostering, as reported by NRL.com.

Representatives from each club, the Rugby League Players’ Association and agents accreditation committee will meet on August 21 to discuss the latest contracting system which came out in November.

The current rules permits teams to confirm a top 24 roster for 2019 with the NRL as of November 1 and 29 players to be signed to a roster at the start of the season in March.

Clubs then have up until June 1 to sign an additional player to take their roster tally to 30, with 3-6 players allowed to be signed on development contracts.

One of the reported changes to the proposed new system would necessitate clubs to publish full squad lists, with players who are still under the salary cap but playing elsewhere no longer occupying a roster spot.

An example is retired Sea Eagle Nate Myles, who occupies a spot in both their top 30 and their salary.

Clubs would still be permitted to pay the salary of players who have left, but they would no longer occupy a roster spot.

Another sanction of the new system that is being pushed is clubs having more lenience when picking players from their lower grades, opposing the current system when they must apply for special dispensation.
 
Wellington Warrior

Wellington Warrior

That article annoys me on 2 fronts....

Not replacing Gavet means we are now an injury or two from Tevaga being a replacement front rower.

Why can’t they tell Kata to test his value in the open market. Not sure there would be a lot of demand for a centre that can’t pass!
 

Sammyw11

"There could be a bit of a shakeup in some places and if that happens, it will leave us reasonably well place if we felt like we wanted to make a move." - B Smith

intersting quote, with gavet freeing up a massive amount of 450k (i struggle to believe he was actually earning that), Luke taking a huge pay cut, mannering retiring. seems as though we now have a decent bit of room to move in the cap, im not expecting anything for next season but it does seem like the club is aiming for a marquee buy for 2020.
 
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tajhay

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Not replacing Gavet means we are now an injury or two from Tevaga being a replacement front rower.
You need to have space in the salary cap to replace players.

Luke taking a huge pay cut,
That is dependent on whether the club budgeted anything for him for 2019 season. If they didn't, and they resigned him, and with the club having already committed most of their cap for 2019, something would have had to give.
 
Blain

Blain

Taj you seem pretty certain we have no money spare - Have you got some inside goss? Or just doing your own math. I can't see where the money would be going by what we have signed vs who we have lost. For example even if Luke was meant to go, that money would have been going somewhere. But we have only signed 1 NRL player in Ah Mau, and Mannerings money would easily cover him. There's always front loaded/back loaded deals around, but only inside knowledge would know of that.

"There could be a bit of a shakeup in some places and if that happens, it will leave us reasonably well place if we felt like we wanted to make a move." - B Smith

That quote basically says we have cash up our sleeve to snag someone potentially mid season next year.
 
fizurg

fizurg

No one has every actually heard of a front loaded contract either. I think it’s forum myth more than anything.
 
matiunz

matiunz

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Taj you seem pretty certain we have no money spare - Have you got some inside goss? Or just doing your own math. I can't see where the money would be going by what we have signed vs who we have lost. For example even if Luke was meant to go, that money would have been going somewhere. But we have only signed 1 NRL player in Ah Mau, and Mannerings money would easily cover him. There's always front loaded/back loaded deals around, but only inside knowledge would know of that.

"There could be a bit of a shakeup in some places and if that happens, it will leave us reasonably well place if we felt like we wanted to make a move." - B Smith

That quote basically says we have cash up our sleeve to snag someone potentially mid season next year.

It’s not always a 1+1=2 equation. For example if we lose ‘Player A’ on $600k it doesn’t necessarily mean we have $600k for a replacement. Often what happens is we recruit ‘Player B’ for $400k and upgrade ‘Player C’ and ‘Player D’ contracts $100k each.
Other factors are if a juniors or isp player gets upgraded to Top 30 theres a minimum wage that they need to be bumped up to, the money comes from departing players.
I took the Smith comments to be more along the lines of potentially offloading players to sign new ones.
We heavily recruited last season, I don’t think there’s much more to come for 2019
 
fizurg

fizurg

If we have $450k or something like that spare in our cap. If there was a certain mega prop would be expecting around $900k per year. If we got him on a mid season swap we would be likely to only pay the remainder of his contract? So $450kish. I could handle picking up a disgruntled mega prop for the second half of the season for half price.
 

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