General Warriors Put On Notice

Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

From Stuff (apologies if it's been posted in a thread elsewhere)

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Warriors players have been warned that heads will roll at the club unless they start getting results.

For the second weekend in a row the Warriors suffered a defeat, going down on Saturday at Eden Park 31-12 to the Dragons in another poor start to the season.

The club's management expected better this year. Not only did they fork out a reported $1.4 million to sign Sam Tomkins from Wigan, but they have also spent heavily retaining players who coach Matt Elliott believed could deliver glory to the club.

Last season management took a back seat when the team went through a dreadful run of just two wins from their first 10 games, including the lowest point in the club's history when they were embarrassed 62-6 by the Panthers.

But that won't happen again this year. Fairfax Media understand that management informed the players after the game at Eden Park that things must change or people will be shown the door.

Whether that extends to the coaching team is uncertain, but what is clear is that they aren't going to sit idly by and watch another campaign crumble.

Next up are the Cowboys away on Saturday night and it will require a huge turnaround to get the required result in Townsville.

Prop Jacob Lillyman says while he felt their performance was a slight improvement on their round one loss to the Eels, they're still not playing well enough.

"It was a game we were confident we could turn into a good performance and get the win, but that didn't happen unfortunately," Lillyman said.

"The fact still remains that they still out-muscled us and our defence wasn't up to scratch.

"There is so much talent here, we certainly have the ability to get out of it, but there's got to be a massive improvement.

"Man for man we need to take ownership over what happened in the last couple of weeks, so that next week we're jumping out of our skins.

"The last two weeks to be fair we've been out-muscled and to be fair this is a team that should never be out-muscled.

"That's the most disappointing thing."

Lillyman said the leadership group had already come together before the Dragons loss and says it's now going to take a united effort to return the club to winning ways.

"The senior players have been trying to [sort things out], but now it's time for all of us older blokes to step up, lead from the front and drive higher standards," he said.

"We've been training and preparing well, but obviously we need to do it better."

Meanwhile, Warriors' utility player Ben Henry will today have a scan on his left knee, but he and the club fear he has ruptured his ACL again.

Talking on the Show yesterday, league great Andrew Johns tried to put his finger on what's going wrong for the Warriors.

"The Warriors are a unique team where they need to play off offloads and off the cuff, that suits them best," Johns said.

"I think they're playing with far too much structure and they got bogged down with the thought of playing structured football and they forget the simple thing, which is their strength, winding up and running hard."

For the Dragons, this was their second big win of the season, having defeated Wests Tigers in round one.

Little was expected from them this year and Steve Price was tipped to be the first coach sacked this season. However, they have become the surprise package.

"When you don't have any expectations on you in the first couple of games, people start to take notice," said Dragons' Kiwis winger Jason Nightingale.

"But we've always had expectations on ourselves and we always will.

"We're a very proud club and when we don't perform we understand the commitment we need to have to bring the club back to where it belongs."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/9834644/Warriors-put-on-notice
 
eX | Machina

eX | Machina

It's pretty much the only thing that could potentially change the long term culture at the club. I hope these aren't empty threats and management will enforce it if need be.
 
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Xfactor

Pretty hard to disagree with what Mr Johns is saying there. The 9's being the most recent evidence.

It seems that the better/harder they are trained, the more inept they become.

Perhaps Mr Elliott should surrender control and permit them to play however they see fit? Could it be any worse?

And if that turns out even worse...then sack their asses cause they're obviously imposters.
 
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Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

It's hard to fathom what the problem is - on paper the playing roster looks fine.
 
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HD

It's hard to fathom what the problem is - on paper the playing roster looks fine.

A bit too small in the forwards, if I was to find a fault with anything on paper. At times we seem to rely a bit too much on good delivery from the play the ball to have an impact in that side of the game. Other teams seem to have one or two massive fucks who can cause havoc regardless.
 
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eudebrito

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Pretty hard to disagree with what Mr Johns is saying there. The 9's being the most recent evidence.

It seems that the better/harder they are trained, the more inept they become.

Perhaps Mr Elliott should surrender control and permit them to play however they see fit? Could it be any worse?

And if that turns out even worse...then sack their asses cause they're obviously imposters.

That was the Bluey approach wasn’t it? Don’t work them too hard, back them to outscore the opposition with free flowing attack, promote all the youngsters, they’ll be good enough.

Then the players turned on him and demanded a real NRL coach with game plans and such like?

I wasn’t on this forum then, so missed out on the inside gossip of the time – I guess there is a middle ground between fitness, discipline and ‘warrior ball’ of yore, buggered if i know how you get there.
 
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Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

Pretty hard to disagree with what Mr Johns is saying there. The 9's being the most recent evidence.

Yeah, until we came up against a team with defensive structure. Then we were at a loss as to how to play against them.

Imo, the good old 'Warriors footy" is only for a few highlight reel moments, and no way in hell should be the team's approach to the game. That sort of approach to the game should be the icing on the cake, not the whole cake. Hell, we've historically used it for the entree, main, dessert, coffee AND cake, so it's little wonder that players that have come through a Warriors upbringing seem to only cherish those moments, with an attitude of "Sensible play? Structure? That's Mannering's job."
 
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Magic Stick

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Front office should be on notice also - scratch that Scurrah,Mann etc should be fired along with Bell
 
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Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

A bit too small in the forwards, if I was to find a fault with anything on paper. At times we seem to rely a bit too much on good delivery from the play the ball to have an impact in that side of the game. Other teams seem to have one or two massive fucks who can cause havoc regardless.

I agree, but we do have Manu and Hurrell who can make metres like a forward.

I actually think that we need a clean sweep of both coaching and backroom staff - we need to set up a culture of discipline and with a single coaching style for all three grades (none of this Henry playing at 5/8th for the Vulcans, props on the wing for the U20s - they need to learn the plays* of the senior team so that they can step up if necessary.)

* This assumes that the new coaching staff bring some set plays with them.
 
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Xfactor

Yeah, until we came up against a team with defensive structure. Then we were at a loss as to how to play against them.

Imo, the good old 'Warriors footy" is only for a few highlight reel moments, and no way in hell should be the team's approach to the game. That sort of approach to the game should be the icing on the cake, not the whole cake. Hell, we've historically used it for the entree, main, dessert, coffee AND cake, so it's little wonder that players that have come through a Warriors upbringing seem to only cherish those moments, with an attitude of "Sensible play? Structure? That's Mannering's job."
Can't disagree with that either RM.

So what's the freakin answer???
It's all well & good for management to make threats, but as we are all too painfully aware,there isn't really anyone better to replace them with. I'm sure most of these players are aware of this too! So they'll only substitute one form of failure for another when the whole intention behind the threat is to bring about success.
I believe we have a good roster so i'd be inclined to pick what we all know is the best of that roster and stick with it until it works.
As for training methods though, we're back to square one,
 
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Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

Front office should be on notice also - scratch that Scurrah,Mann etc should be fired along with Bell

A new regime should be brought in and the following implemented;
1) Blazers and ties for non-playing players (and watch the game not your phone, Kevin, you dickhead.)
2) No unapproved social media by players
3) Fines for players who miss training or cannot stick to their diet (Mateo, Hurrell, Laumape)
 
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Raurimu Massive

Raurimu Massive

Can't disagree with that either RM.

So what's the freakin answer???
It's all well & good for management to make threats, but as we are all too painfully aware,there isn't really anyone better to replace them with. I'm sure most of these players are aware of this too! So they'll only substitute one form of failure for another when the whole intention behind the threat is to bring about success.
I believe we have a good roster so i'd be inclined to pick what we all know is the best of that roster and stick with it until it works.
As for training methods though, we're back to square one,
I think the answer lies in changing the club culture - something that ME has already shown he wants to be part of. There's a poison in this outfit. Sadly, changing something so deeply ingrained isn't ever going to happen quickly. Changes that immense will always take time, but it's something that has to be done, and I think has to be carried out with a fair bit of ruthlessness. We need to essentially copy what successful clubs do, and if that means that anyone sticking to "Old Warriors" ways gets the boot, then fuck 'em.

Something that really pisses me off is how players who leave the Warriors and go elsewhere often comment on how much more seriously training is taken at their new club. How can we expect to be the winning club we want to be if we're not doing the training?

We have the ongoing complaint of how we can never attract top Aussie players here. I don't think that's because of money or a desire to not leave home, I think it's because they don't want to screw up their career by joining a club where training seems to be little more than kicks and touch footy in the park with your mates.

To change club culture we need to get someone like Steve Price back into the fold. Someone who these uppity, self-absorbed young pricks actually look up to, and someone who can tell them to shape up or ship out and actually be listened to.

My biggest fear with the players being put on notice is that we could easily see talent let go, then move on to another club where they have the revelation that they need to really put in the hard work, and other club's will actually benefit from it.

As much as I'd hate to see it happen, I'd also love for someone like Mannering to stand up and say "You know what? I love this club, but it's shit. If things don't change, I'm out of here before you cocks kill my career in the sport." It kind of mirrors my current attitude. I watched the Roosters with nothing short of envy on Saturday night, and I've found myself only able to maintain a love of league by watching teams that aren't mine.
 
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Xfactor

It is an absolute crying shame that we have to derive our love for this game....from watching other teams play!

I live in the hope that someone of standing at the Warriors ghosts this forum and has the ability and fortitude to decipher anger from truth!
 
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DavidMcKay1974

DavidMcKay1974

A new regime should be brought in and the following implemented;
1) Blazers and ties for non-playing players (and watch the game not your phone, Kevin, you dickhead.)
2) No unapproved social media by players
3) Fines for players who miss training or cannot stick to their diet (Mateo, Hurrell, Laumape)

Wow for once I agree with you.
 
koolkat

koolkat

It's About bloody time,these pre madonnas might get the kick in the arse that as been solely missed in the last decade.well done management I like the talk but actions speak louder than these idle words
 
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mrblonde

mrblonde

I don't see what they can do right now - not like all three teams are firing. Imagine this is just a royal bollocking which maybe the team don't get as often as they deserve/need...

Edit: Maybe the management/coaching staff feel they can do this because they've made an effort to take tne player's views on board more this year.

"Guys, you told us this would work, convinced us that if we tweaked the tactics the defence would work better...So, ah, none from two...Why isn't it?"
 
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