General Warriors Junior Program Reform

[mt.wellington]

I can't believe the club would cut all junior teams, and the reserve grade side and expect us to develop players? They must of had another plan of sorts instead. Anyone know what they were thinking?

As I posted in the first post of this thread they were going to rely on Redcliffe and develop the rest in the Auckland Fox Memorial. The plan was to not only develop the players but develop the local footy scene.

Reality is it was a cost cutting exercise just like how they are gutting out the office and training staff...

 

[mrblonde]

Good to see Gould making a mark, but I guess if the borders are still closed come gametime in 2021 how does the club deal with the SG/HM teams?

The concerning thing - or one of them, anyway - about all this is what sway do the Warriors have with the Dolphins? Given the nicknames, you'd say Warriors, but I guess CG didn't press the advantage on that point...

Essentially, what reasoning do the Dolphins have (money or is it just CG's winning smile?) to play any Warriors player over some No-Name-Chuck who's besties/drinking buddy with the Dolphins' massuese?

 

[6Again]

Good to see Gould making a mark, but I guess if the borders are still closed come gametime in 2021 how does the club deal with the SG/HM teams?

The concerning thing - or one of them, anyway - about all this is what sway do the Warriors have with the Dolphins? Given the nicknames, you'd say Warriors, but I guess CG didn't press the advantage on that point...

Essentially, what reasoning do the Dolphins have (money or is it just CG's winning smile?) to play any Warriors player over some No-Name-Chuck who's besties/drinking buddy with the Dolphins' massuese?

Wouldn’t be money on Redcliffe’s behalf, they’re more cashed up than the Broncos. Perhaps it helps further their own push for a second team in Brisbane but that’s just speculation.

 

[Kiwishark]

2021 season won't go a head in Aus due to the boarders and the NSWRL needing to confirm teams for a February kick off, there is talk of a National u19 tournament early next year... the plan is to have 17's and 19s play in Aus 2022... This was told to the squad last night.

 

[Bmac]

You can see the type of outside back that POS is going for. Its the prototypical Joseph Manu build. Asi, Leiatauia, Armstrong and Vaafusuaga were all playing the NZ U18 game the other day and are all are tall outside backs around 6'2, all of them still pretty slim however they're still very physical and have room to put size on later. POS obviously thinking into the future instead of just signing the first nuggety ball of muscle he can find like prior recruitment managers at this club.

Cannot wait to watch Francis Manuleleua in SG ball next year. Age wise he's the best prospect we have ever had signed to our club in my opinion.

I missed that on sky, is there anyway to see a replay?

 

[Fonzie]

Big news - nzrl to fund an sg ball team from 2022

 

[mrblonde]

All reads very well - aligning age groups with NSWRL, etc. Proof is in the action, of course. This kind of thinking - which the NZRL should be doing, however it turns out - just shows why the NZRL, ARL and all other organisations who's bread-and-butter is building up the amatuer, grassroots side of whatever sport they administer should not invest shedloads of money in a professional sports team like the ARL did with the Warriors.

 

[Off The Bench]

In the short term and for the Warriors I agree, but for the game and longer term we need pathways to have as many players as possible at the lower levels being developed to a high level. It grows the game.

Especially in NZ where some kids develop earlier physically an dominate but plateau. Some of the later developers may have a higher ceiling but could potentially be lost to the game with a narrower short term focus.

I think the game is dieing or changing at the very least
We will probably see less kids playing .. So it's just a matter of developing what we got .
League never cleaned up it's local image so it's seen as a thug sport thug culture
An it isn't really accepted in schools an the local sponsorship is non existent.

If you look in the local news papers you see rugby an netball rowing etc junior local teams
Each kid with a sponsored by this shop or building supplies company or such .
League has never made the most of that .an a lot of it is image public perception
The other part is leagues management old senior players not marketing executives .
It needs to be gutted an to start again . probably to late now ..We will numbers rise an fall
If the warriors or kiwis do well .But the base is dead and dying due to its lack of vision.

The same lack of vision that lets hard working smarter smaller player fall through the cracks
An continues to put all it's resources into the early developes .
I remember a former all black coach in an interview on developing an under 85 kg senior
Comp in union .Sure they won't be all blacks but they will be coaches managers an sponsor s an we are trying to attract business men to be involved in the game .was his line of thinking ..

 

[Worried2Death]

I think the game is dieing or changing at the very least
We will probably see less kids playing .. So it's just a matter of developing what we got .
League never cleaned up it's local image so it's seen as a thug sport thug culture
An it isn't really accepted in schools an the local sponsorship is non existent.

If you look in the local news papers you see rugby an netball rowing etc junior local teams
Each kid with a sponsored by this shop or building supplies company or such .
League has never made the most of that .an a lot of it is image public perception
The other part is leagues management old senior players not marketing executives .
It needs to be gutted an to start again . probably to late now ..We will numbers rise an fall
If the warriors or kiwis do well .But the base is dead and dying due to its lack of vision.

The same lack of vision that lets hard working smarter smaller player fall through the cracks
An continues to put all it's resources into the early developes .
I remember a former all black coach in an interview on developing an under 85 kg senior
Comp in union .Sure they won't be all blacks but they will be coaches managers an sponsor s an we are trying to attract business men to be involved in the game .was his line of thinking ..

Sad but a good reality check, I don't know what the answer is. Become a state of Australia to save league?

 

[Off The Bench]

Sad but a good reality check, I don't know what the answer is. Become a state of Australia to save league?

Getting league into schools should be number 1 priority
Developing a working relationship with union number 2
Targeting asian ..indian an middle eastern an migrant kids into playing
Should be up there . .
So weight grade restrictions right through into a social senior grade .
An further develope a Female competition .
Just get people playing .An once that is strong the rest will follow

I wonder how popular an under 80 kg men's an open womens mixed comp would be?
With a few restrictions on contact an 15 min quarters .Just to get people playing.
Touch is popular because it's a short game can be played after work on a week night
An everyone can be involved ..

 

[Bangbros 2023]

Big news - nzrl to fund an sg ball team from 2022

Interesting! So it won't be a warriors sg ball team?

 

[Kiwishark]

Hi mate thanks for this update. Do you have any info about the nature of the conflict?

It comes down to the whole player manager thing and Greg is associated with a certain group... A shame because I've heard he has done some good things with the juniors.

 

[mrblonde]

Might be looking in the wrong place, but on 18 December the NSWRL released the draws for all the junior competitions and there's no "New Zealand Warriors" to be found in either SG Ball or Harold Matthews.

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2020/12/18/nswrl-junior-representative-draws-announced-for-2021/ is where I was looking.

 

[Motota]

Does anyone know what the deal is with redcliffe dolphins if there offer to be the 17th club in the nrl gets accepted? Are we just using them while covid is going on to save costs and then set up our own cup team again later?

 

[Kiwishark]

Might be looking in the wrong place, but on 18 December the NSWRL released the draws for all the junior competitions and there's no "New Zealand Warriors" to be found in either SG Ball or Harold Matthews.

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2020/12/18/nswrl-junior-representative-draws-announced-for-2021/ is where I was looking.

Couldn't enter due to Covid

 

[Kiwishark]

Seen on the news last night that they held a 2 day camp for u16 Players... The older boys return to training tomorrow at 4pm and will be training 3 days a week

 

[mrblonde]

I presume the U17s/u19s here in Auckland are stuck playing Fox given Covid restrictions etc?

 

[matiunz]

V’Landys pushing to bring back reserve grade and under 21s all playing game day

 

[snake77]

Having 3 grades especially reserve grade would help strengthen the competition, would need to b a higher level than the state leagues. That would depend on how many of the players are full time professionals.

Give the clubs more depth.

 

[matiunz]

Having 3 grades especially reserve grade would help strengthen the competition, would need to b a higher level than the state leagues. That would depend on how many of the players are full time professionals.

Give the clubs more depth.

There’s a bit of a double edge sword with some claiming it would kill the NSW and QLD cups- think there’s room for both but the current state comps would likely drop in standard a bit but I think it will improve the pathways for NRL.
Other sticking point is how Thurs and Fri games would work with the semi pro nature of the lower grades