General Warriors: From obsession to apathy

facefacts

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Apr 26, 2012
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Never see anyone mention this,But do others get pissed off,with this talk,from our last 4 coaches,who say.
The players are just lacking,a little confidence.
Give them a couple of wins and they will come right.
Invariably this lack of confidence comes after a couple of good results,like we have witnessed again this season.
We should have been high on confidence after the Roosters game.
Shit,we are fragile. Do we get over confident after a couple of wins,and,the arse falls out of our team.

I get pissed with the "we'll learn from this loss and move on" but they never learn, they show up the very next week and repeat the very same mistakes on the back of the same poor effort.

And it's not just the last four coaches, it's all of them.
 

bruce

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Rumours been going around for ages. Last I heard an investment team from Melbourne were looking into it.....
Oh shite, just when I was thinking there might be light at the end of the tunnel. However that could explain JD's unusual attitude this season, and a fish does rot from the head down.
Who in the Warriors demonstrably week in and out gives total effort, Mannering and Gubb, non Aucklanders. This is not a go at Auckland players, but the focus has to be wider as far as NZ recruitment goes.
I think that is a bit tough on Shaun Johnson, but otherwise it is fair comment. Auckland was the best run league in the country with the best players, where have they all gone and when will they come back? Scary question to answer.
 
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Sledge

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Nailed it TD but I'm not ready to fully admit it to myself. My heart is still winning the battle over my mind. Just not ready to let go at the moment.

I totally agree about the dampened expectations, enthusiasm and emotions towards the team over the last few seasons. I no longer yell and scream at the television. The neighbours no longer know when the game is on at my house :(. I spend more time walking around the stadium visiting different mates in their different stands then I do sitting parked in my seat with my eyes firmly glued to the field. I've learnt to be graceful in defeat and humble in victory as opposed to being deliriously jubilant or straight depressed. I no longer try get team gossip. I no longer concentrate hard enough on games to write a proper review. I no longer watch a replay of the game even if we win.

Truth is Ive become numb to the reality of what's actually happening at the club and the future prospects that reality holds. Rebuild and no finals footy FML :banghead:

As you know too well TD I'm sucker for punishment. A part of me fools the better part that if I just hang in there long enough we will finally reach the promised land. I tell myself that it took the Sharks 42 years. Took the Cubs over a century. I think that all this suffering, aggravation and disappointment will be repaid in spades when they finally get it together but I fear unless something seriously drastic happens I won't be around to witness it.

I have thought long and hard these past couple of months about whether I renew my membership next season. Something that was unconscionable just a year ago. Im wondering if I stop supporting the team financially and just be one of the many passive bandwagon fans that tired of the teams inconsistency long ago. Ive questioned the amount of time I spend even on this very forum posting and setting things up.

It feels sad writing this after all the time, money and emotion I've invested into this team. Feel like I'm slowly falling out of love with my partner of 23 years. After all the ups and downs we're just growing apart.

Don't get me wrong. I will always support this team but the question is how much time and effort will I continue to put into it. Something has to give. For now Im good lying to myself that everything is ok. Still have a little faith to think it'll all miraculously turn around. The alcohol helps with that a great deal.

Will keep following blindly but the blinkers are slowly starting to come off. Hopefully it all starts to click but I think we all know where this season is headed...
If this is the way hardcore fans think of the club, then what hope do we have bringing any descent players here? This Club is in deep shite, this whole " bringing kiwis home" thing that Kearneys got going on is bullshit or is because no Aussie in their right mind would want to join this club right now? I don't blame them really I can barely be bothered turning on the tv to watch the pricks so how must they feel???
 
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tajhay

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because no Aussie in their right mind would want to join this club right now?
They might come looking for an opportunity in first grade. They would like their chances by watching how the warriors are currently playing...

Then i realised Kearney keeps picking the same underperforming team in the hope they will click.
 
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jonno

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Jul 13, 2014
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One team will be playing the other will be trusting their processes. If that constitutes a game.
So disappointing really, that a bunch of highly paid professionals can't follow a simple game plan for 80 mins. Imagine if Kearney didn't have to remind them in the after match presser that they have to follow the game plan for the whole game.
 
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Dunedin warrior

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So disappointing really, that a bunch of highly paid professionals can't follow a simple game plan for 80 mins. Imagine if Kearney didn't have to remind them in the after match presser that they have to follow the game plan for the whole game.

That is true jonno, but there are also 15 other teams of highly paid professionals in the Nrl as well. I think they are following the game plan, I think they have made the least errors in the comp, but it comes at the expense of being able to make decisions or adlib footy.
 
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jonno

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That is true jonno, but there are also 15 other teams of highly paid professionals in the Nrl as well. I think they are following the game plan, I think they have made the least errors in the comp, but it comes at the expense of being able to make decisions or adlib footy.
Year but not wrapping the ball up is an error imo. So is not sliding out to help your rookie winger on defense. And when that happens again and again, it just means they aren't trying and don't give a shit. Basically

What's the point of being a coach if the full time footy players just stop trying because they can't be fucked. No coach is that bad. These guys do this for a living. They are all professionals. If they can't get themselves up for game day all by themselves, then By By... See ya later... Have a nice life as a fork hoist driver. Cause you sure as shit aint a footy player.
 
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¿N. ig-mah¿

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Year but not wrapping the ball up is an error imo. So is not sliding out to help your rookie winger on defense. And when that happens again and again, it just means they aren't trying and don't give a shit. Basically

What's the point of being a coach if the full time footy players just stop trying because they can't be fucked. No coach is that bad. These guys do this for a living. They are all professionals. If they can't get themselves up for game day all by themselves, then By By... See ya later... Have a nice life as a fork hoist driver. Cause you sure as shit aint a footy player.
Firstly, nobody says fork hoist. Secondly, us forklift drivers dont want those losers working alongside us. It takes tslrnt to operate one well. These guys have no talent.
 

Gizzyfan

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Firstly, nobody says fork hoist. Secondly, us forklift drivers dont want those losers working alongside us. It takes tslrnt to operate one well. These guys have no talent.

I have a forky licence as well (although I don't actually use it), I disagree with the talent thing, but it does need application, concentration and an ability to follow instruction, that's what these pricks don't have.
 
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Sup42

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Never see anyone mention this,But do others get pissed off,with this talk,from our last 4 coaches,who say.
The players are just lacking,a little confidence.
Give them a couple of wins and they will come right.
Invariably this lack of confidence comes after a couple of good results,like we have witnessed again this season.
We should have been high on confidence after the Roosters game.
Shit,we are fragile. Do we get over confident after a couple of wins,and,the arse falls out of our team.
Another Jingoistic gem is ' it might not seem like it....but we are not far off'
The confidence claims feel like a new Coach trying to win over the hearts and minds of his squad.

Probably drawing a long bow here....but I've long suspected the Coaching Merry go round puts undue pressure on the Coach to 'Win over' people when really the Culture of the place might be better served with a more Spartan.....like it or piss off culture shock.

That's how it feels from the outside, but things are so stark at the moment....I can see why they'd try to be inclusive rather than alienate their players.
 
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jonno

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Firstly, nobody says fork hoist. Secondly, us forklift drivers dont want those losers working alongside us. It takes tslrnt to operate one well. These guys have no talent.
I'm also a lifter and organizer of heavy pallets, among other things.

I worked with a guy who played junior warriors before suffering a career ending injury at the age of 20. He was a complete Muppet. Got busted, more than once, for skipping work sick and then posting all about his day at the beach on face book, with a FB account our manager had full access to. We're all wondering why we're working so hard, being short staffed, and there he is, lying on a beach with his missus, absolutely loving life.

We dodged a bullet with this kid, I'm telling you.
 
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Johnnyray

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Apologies if this is off topic.

I just saw on this on NZ Herald website and I thought I'll post it here.

It might explain to a few people how we all got sucked into being NZ Warriors fan :

Eight steps to mind control: How cults suck ordinary people in
By Charity Norman

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Marshall Herff Applewhite who help founded the organization known as Heaven's Gate, led 38 others in a mass suicide near San Diego. Photo / Getty Images

On the evening of the 18th November 1978, Jim Jones persuaded his followers to drink a punch laced with cyanide. By morning almost a thousand members of the People's Temple had died, many of them children.

The expression 'drinking the Kool-Aid' is a grim reference to this tragedy.

The control Jones held is far from unique among the leaders of destructive cults and new religions. Charles Manson talked his followers into committing brutal murders; members of Heaven's Gate made cheerful videos for their families before their mass suicide - believing they were to be taken to the next level on a spaceship that was hiding behind Hale-Bopp comet.

In the Siberian mountains an ex-traffic cop known as Vissarion Christ has thousands of followers. They've abandoned comfortable lives to live self-sufficiently in harsh conditions, revering their teacher.

There are many self-proclaimed Christs around the world. There's even one in Australia.
Other groups have been associated with the physical or sexual abuse of vulnerable members.

We may think we're too savvy for such manipulation, but a recruiting group can be a finetuned operation. How does it work? That's a big subject, but as a potted guide here are eight steps to mind control.


STEP ONE: IDENTIFY THE POTENTIAL RECRUIT

You'd expect the focus to be on troubled youngsters, but many groups target people with useful skills or access to money. Vissarion's followers include soldiers, doctors and engineers; we've all heard of celebrities involved in fringe religions. People are often recruited at a time of personal stress such as divorce, bereavement, unemployment or depression.
STEP TWO: PERSUADE THE RECRUIT TO WALK INTO THE WEB

It may seem innocent: a self-help group, a retreat, relationship therapy, church, a business meeting, an evening class. Increasingly, groups use the internet. People are indoctrinated without leaving their bedrooms.

STEP THREE: LOVE-BOMBING

A cascade of affection, support and approval poured over the recruit. A woman born into David Berg's Children of God recalled this technique as a "wave of peace and love". Berg's organisation was also notorious for its use of "flirty fishing", a form of evangelistic prostitution.

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Some of the literature from the Children of God Cult, who used sex to lure in new followers. Photo / News Corp Australia


STEP FOUR: SELL, SELL, SELL!


The recruit must see smiling, friendly, happy people - a living advertisement. Invite them to come along again, and again, until they're a part of the family.


STEP FIVE: TOUGH LOVE


Step five is tougher. The gloves start to come off. Reduce autonomy, induce dependency. Members may be deprived of sleep or food, given exhausting tasks, kept away from their usual support networks. Rigid rules and rituals may be introduced.

At the same time, rewards are offered - rest, love, comfort: the carrot and the stick. Some groups use meditation, mind-numbing chanting, euphoric music or dancing at this stage.

In 1995, The Aum Shinrikyo doomsday cult carried out a deadly sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway. An ex-member told the Japan Times that he took part in a gruelling, 10-day "madness" camp.

While in the cult, he was eating one meal a day and sleeping only two hours each night.

Sleep and food deprivation, coupled with rigid rules, help to break down a person's sense of self.

"Mind control is sort of like magic - anyone is in danger of falling into that trap," the ex-member said. "Aum made it seem like you were free to make choices but, in reality, you were being guided toward those choices."

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Charles Manson is escorted to court on December 3, 1969. Photo / Getty Images

STEP SIX: RENOUNCING LOVED ONES

Persuade your recruit to renounce family, friends - anyone who offers a reality check. The more isolated a person, the more likely they are to invest in a new belief system. Which brings us to the seventh step.


STEP SEVEN: THE INTRODUCTION OF CORE BELIEFS

Charles Manson was said to be giving his followers large doses of LSD. One described how each acid trip took her farther and farther away from reality, until she could believe anything at all.

Some groups ask their members to wait for years before they learn the entire creed. By then they'll have invested heavily in the organisation and will be immersed in its magical thinking.


STEP EIGHT: ZERO TOLERANCE OF CRITICISM

The final step is vital. Shame anyone who questions; shun any who leave. Continuing control relies on absolute obedience and members being afraid to leave.

I once spoke to the mother of a young man who had joined a destructive community in England. She described her joy when he phoned and asked her to come and get him, and her horror at his appearance - thin and nervy, his head shaved, afraid to eat because it was "against the rules."

He disappeared during that first night, rushing back to the life he'd fled.

Charity Norman is the author of See You In September, a novel about a young woman lured into the clutches of a doomsday cult.

- news.com.au

- https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11864464

NZ Warriors.

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jonno

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Jul 13, 2014
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This is interesting. None of our guys can do any of this to the refs. But yet it feels like they can do it with ease to us fans.

14 Signs of Psychological and Emotional Manipulation

How to spot a manipulator

Psychological manipulation can be defined as the exercise of undue influence through mental distortion and emotional exploitation, with the intention to seize power, control, benefits and/or privileges at the victim’s expense.

It is important to distinguish healthy social influence from psychological manipulation. Healthy social influence occurs between most people, and is part of the give and take of constructive relationships. In psychological manipulation, one person is used for the benefit of another. The manipulator deliberately creates an imbalance of power, and exploits the victim to serve his or her agenda.

Below is a list of fourteen “tricks” manipulative people often use to coerce others into a position of disadvantage, excerpted from by book (click on link): “How to Successfully Handle Manipulative People”. This is not meant to be an exhaustive list, but rather a compilation of subtle as well as strident examples of coercion. Not everyone who acts in the following manners may be deliberately trying to manipulate you. Some people simply have very poor habits. Regardless, it’s important to recognize these behaviors in situations where your rights, interests and safety are at stake.

1. Home Court Advantage

A manipulative individual may insist on you meeting and interacting in a physical space where he or she can exercise more dominance and control. This can be the manipulator’s office, home, car, or other spaces where he feels ownership and familiarity (and where you lack them).

2. Let You Speak First to Establish Your Baseline and Look for Weaknesses

Many sales people do this when they prospect you. By asking you general and probing questions, they establish a baseline about your thinking and behavior, from which they can then evaluate your strengths and weaknesses. This type of questioning with hidden agenda can also occur at the workplace or in personal relationships.

3. Manipulation of Facts

Examples: Lying. Excuse making. Two faced. Blaming the victim for causing their own victimization. Deformation of the truth. Strategic disclosure or withholding of key information. Exaggeration. Understatement. One-sided bias of issue.

4. Overwhelm You with Facts and Statistics

Some individuals enjoy “intellectual bullying” by presuming to be the expert and most knowledgeable in certain areas. They take advantage of you by imposing alleged facts, statistics, and other data you may know little about. This can happen in sales and financial situations, in professional discussions and negotiations, as well as in social and relational arguments. By presuming expert power over you, the manipulator hopes to push through her or his agenda more convincingly. Some people use this technique for no other reason than to feel a sense of intellectual superiority.

5. Overwhelm You with Procedures and Red Tape

Certain people use bureaucracy – paperwork, procedures, laws and by-laws, committees, and other roadblocks to maintain their position and power, while making your life more difficult. This technique can also be used to delay fact finding and truth seeking, hide flaws and weaknesses, and evade scrutiny.

6. Raising Their Voice and Displaying Negative Emotions

Some individuals raise their voice during discussions as a form of aggressive manipulation. The assumption may be that if they project their voice loudly enough, or display negative emotions, you’ll submit to their coercion and give them what they want. The aggressive voice is frequently combined with strong body language such as standing or excited gestures to increase impact.

7. Negative Surprises

Some people use negative surprises to put you off balance and gain a psychological advantage. This can range from low balling in a negotiation situation, to a sudden profession that she or he will not be able to come through and deliver in some way. Typically, the unexpected negative information comes without warning, so you have little time to prepare and counter their move. The manipulator may ask for additional concessions from you in order to continue working with you.

8. Giving You Little or No Time to Decide

This is a common sales and negotiation tactic, where the manipulator puts pressure on you to make a decision before you’re ready. By applying tension and control onto you, it is hoped that you will “crack” and give in to the aggressor’s demands.

9. Negative Humor Designed to Poke at Your Weaknesses and Disempower You

Some manipulators like to make critical remarks, often disguised as humor or sarcasm, to make you seem inferior and less secure. Examples can include any variety of comments ranging from your appearance, to your older model smart phone, to your background and credentials, to the fact that you walked in two minutes late and out of breath. By making you look bad, and getting you to feel bad, the aggressor hopes to impose psychological superiority over you.

10. Consistently Judge and Criticize You to Make You Feel Inadequate

Distinct from the previous behavior where negative humor is used as a cover, here the manipulator outright picks on you. By constantly marginalizing, ridiculing, and dismissing you, she or he keeps you off-balance and maintains her superiority. The aggressor deliberately fosters the impression that there’s always something wrong with you, and that no matter how hard you try, you are inadequate and will never be good enough. Significantly, the manipulator focuses on the negative without providing genuine and constructive solutions, or offering meaningful ways to help.

11. The Silent Treatment

By deliberately not responding to your reasonable calls, text messages, emails, or other inquiries, the manipulator presumes power by making you wait, and intends to place doubt and uncertainty in your mind. The silent treatment is a head game where silence is used as a form of leverage.

12. Pretend Ignorance

This is the classic “playing dumb” tactic. By pretending she or he doesn’t understand what you want, or what you want her to do, the manipulator/passive-aggressive makes you take on what is her responsibility, and gets you to break a sweat. Some children use this tactic in order to delay, stall, and manipulate adults into doing for them what they don’t want to do. Some grown-ups use this tactic as well when they have something to hide, or obligation they wish to avoid.

13. Guilt-Baiting

Examples: Unreasonable blaming. Targeting recipient’s soft spot. Holding another responsible for the manipulator’s happiness and success, or unhappiness and failures.

By targeting the recipient’s emotional weaknesses and vulnerability, the manipulator coerces the recipient into ceding unreasonable requests and demands.

14. Victimhood

Examples: Exaggerated or imagined personal issues. Exaggerated or imagined health issues. Dependency. Co-dependency. Deliberate frailty to elicit sympathy and favor. Playing weak, powerless, or martyr.

The purpose of manipulative victimhood is often to exploit the recipient’s good will, guilty conscience, sense of duty and obligation, or protective and nurturing instinct, in order to extract unreasonable benefits and concessions.
 
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the borg

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Jun 8, 2015
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I'm just wondering whether Eric the owner purchased the club as a tax write off to off set his overseas businesses. Would make sense really let the club flounder along with no further investment. Probably why him and Owen had fights.

Appoint a quality CEO and a recognised coach to make it all look koscha.

The downside for us fans is we seem to be emotionally flogging a dead horse. When maybe the apathy stems from the owners agenda. I believe big businesses call it the trickle down effect, in our case its a flood...
 

bruce

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I'm just wondering whether Eric the owner purchased the club as a tax write off to off set his overseas businesses. Would make sense really let the club flounder along with no further investment. Probably why him and Owen had fights.

Appoint a quality CEO and a recognised coach to make it all look koscha.

The downside for us fans is we seem to be emotionally flogging a dead horse. When maybe the apathy stems from the owners agenda. I believe big businesses call it the trickle down effect, in our case its a flood...
EW has always had his own agenda. He tells the story of playing league in Christchurch when he was young but I don't know that he bleeds for the game that much. I think his ego liked the idea as well. One positive thing about him was his tendency to leave management to themselves unlike Terry Serepisos and that other dude at the Phoenix. Unfortunately that might mean he leaves too much to the management.
 

jonno

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Jul 13, 2014
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I'm just wondering whether Eric the owner purchased the club as a tax write off to off set his overseas businesses. Would make sense really let the club flounder along with no further investment. Probably why him and Owen had fights.

Appoint a quality CEO and a recognised coach to make it all look koscha.

The downside for us fans is we seem to be emotionally flogging a dead horse. When maybe the apathy stems from the owners agenda. I believe big businesses call it the trickle down effect, in our case its a flood...
We played all our best footy when EW was the sole owner. It all turned to shit when Glenn came on board and decided to kill two birds with one stone and make a South Auckland charity club as well as an NRL footy club.
 

bruce

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We played all our best footy when EW was the sole owner. It all turned to shit when Glenn came on board and decided to kill two birds with one stone and make a South Auckland charity club as well as an NRL footy club.
Glenn spent heaps on that gym
 

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