General Warriors: From obsession to apathy

Brother Faisal

Brother Faisal

Totally agree with what everyone is saying. I'm in the same space as others. Kind of stopped caring now. Still hoping for change but willing to hang out on the sidelines till things turn.

I think An important factor to as to why the warriors have lost my passion is because we don't make comebacks like we use too. Very rare does the team these days make a comeback like Penrith did to us but it use to be such a common occurance in Stacey era up to around 2011. I think that's partly why I use to watch all their games, even if we weren't winning you always knew we could make a comeback. It's almost extinct now to pull back 3 tries or more and so I'm less hopeful. This isn't the only reason but definitely part of why the cult following and fascination with this team has died.

Ditto everything else but adding another point hopefully.
 
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Sebastian

Sebastian

a very harsh realisation I've had about this game recently: individual talent is never enough

the current Warriors team has plenty of individual talent, but everything else seems to be wrong

Plenty of individual talent? In the forwards? I don't think so. We've had Simon who bleeds for the team every week. And... Now Gavet has come through but we are still missing crucial grunt up the middle and no amount of superstars in the back line is going make a difference when you have St. George rolling up the middle. No Widdop, no Dugan, no worries. Because they'll still roll through the middle. Same as we used to be with average halves and Price and Co. rolling through. St. George were average until the signed Paul Vaughn. Signing of the season. We catch a NSW Cup forward like that and you'll stop seeing Shaun and Sheck under performing. Pulu is a good signing staring against the Sharks last month. Not easy to look good against the Sharks. Gavet re-signed and the pack is starting to take shape. We've done well with NSW Cup diamonds in the roughs. Do the job and keep looking HQ. Meanwhile debut the Sipley brothers who are aggressive and dominant.
 
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brightman

brightman

Some would differ. He paid virtually nothing for it. He only had to underwrite the club.
The club is still here today thanks to EW, if there were a better option then it would have happened.
 
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Bluecat again

Bluecat again

Seems this weekends team has been announced



Give a fuck
 
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bruce

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The club is still here today thanks to EW, if there were a better option then it would have happened.
They would have found somebody, the NRL needed the club in existence, it was not going to die and never will, it just might stay with the wooden spoon but the NRL will never let it go.
 
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Inruin

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They would have found somebody, the NRL needed the club in existence, it was not going to die and never will, it just might stay with the wooden spoon but the NRL will never let it go.
maybe Graham Lowe and the Tainui could have......oh wait....what's that Bruce? they did and it was a fucking disaster? Hmmm I guess EW isn't such a bad option after all. Now if he had only bought Carlaw Park......
 
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koolkat

koolkat

I thought we had turned the corner after the roosters only to be brought crashing back to earth at Penrith.that one game proved to me how much things of changed. my attitude is I will still watching but somehow, something is missing, you can feel the negativity in the air,I think we are finally fedd up with mediocrity.the team needs to win us back before we alll jump off and not bothering,plus just like at Newcastle a culling is needed so sk can build his team.and if it takes 5 years like the knights it takes 5 years,because I wanna be proud of a team that gives a dig and gives a fuck
 
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Johnnyray

Johnnyray

They would have found somebody, the NRL needed the club in existence, it was not going to die and never will, it just might stay with the wooden spoon but the NRL will never let it go.

Again don't quote me on this but I have it on authority from a number of books I've read regarding Super League War and state of rugby league in Australia at that time, that NRL was expecting Auckland Warriors to fold around that time and it was in fact us not folding that acted as real deciding factor in Rabbitohs being chucked out of competition in 1999/2000. Yeah there were alot of other bigger factors at play that resulted in them being chucked out of competition (their poor finances, off field issues concerning some of their senior board members, their CEO refusing even discuss with NRL merging club with anyone etc) but there's no denying from what I've read that many people inside of NRL at time expected NZ Warriors to fold back then so Rabbitohs can take their place.That we didn't was final nail in coffin for Souths.

This idea that NRL needs team in NZ is a myth and it always has been. Just like this myth that having NRL team here generates additional income for them through Sky Tv. Sky Tv was always going pay that amount get rights broadcast NRL in NZ regardless of there being a rugby league team here or not. So say what you like guys but please let's not delude ourselves that NRL will always want team here when history shows that they don't and that for everything that has happen we are still, twenty two years on, just some random casual experiment that they are more than happy to stop working on if it suits them. Just like they did with Adelaide Rams or Gold Coast Chargers or Sth Qld/Brisbane Crushers or Perth Reds. Along with Cowboys we are last survivors of those expansion teams and if we want succeed like them this club needs to in my opinion follow their example and do what they did when few years ago now they had a losing season which was to sit down and do complete evaluation and overhaul of their club, top to bottom. That this club isn't prepared to do that or to take any personal responsibility for way things are being mismanaged is it any wonder why I think that instead ending up like 2015 Cowboys in a couple of years we're going be like 2000 Rabbitohs instead. Completely kicked out of competion, marginalised and misjudged, with only a few sad precious fans with their few precious memories of when team was actually any good left, calling for them to be reinstated. I don't want that to happen to my team ... :(
 
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bruce

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That this club isn't prepared to do that or to take any personal responsibility for way things are being mismanaged is it any wonder why I think that instead ending up like 2015 Cowboys in a couple of years we're going be like 2000 Rabbitohs instead. Completely kicked out of competion, marginalised and misjudged, with only a few sad precious fans with their few precious memories of when team was actually any good left, calling for them to be reinstated. I don't want that to happen to my team ...
I was close to the NZRL at the time and the information I got was right from the top.

What SkyTV pay is peanuts, it is the total viewing audience that helps them compete against their nemesis the AFL that makes the difference, just the same as ESL. That doesn't mean things have changed since then, I am no longer involved with the game.

What also needs to be remembered is that it was Ken Arthurson who wanted Auckland in the NSWRL in the first place. He was a Manly man and could see how popular Manly were over there because of TV.

So I doubt they are ready to kick the Warriors out just yet, but if they keep imploding like this who knows what will happen.

Certainly the club is in more shite than I can remember. EW has to take some responsibility, I doubt he really cares as much as is needed to keep things moving in the right direction. That football board seems a classic example of PR bullshit, the same as having somebody like that nutritionist because she is a mate of a mate.
 
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Gizzyfan

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This franchise was conceived and created by Rugby League people, who knew the game and the heritage it had. That was an impressive heritage when you consider the achievements of the Auckland team pre 1995. The following was strong, the club scene was vibrant and success was based on hard work.

Unlike other new Aussie franchises, the marketing 'suits' took over and since then the 'sport is entertainment' philosophy came through. Heritage became 'brand' and fans became economic units.

To market the 'brand' to non rugby people (Union people can recognise this as well), hard work on the field is not as marketable as a Shaun Johnson side step to put it simply. Even on this thread we see comments that this team has talent. Talent means five eighths of fuck all unless you work your arse off.

The Warriors have put the cart before the horse, for backs to be effective the forwards have to provide them with front foot ball in good field positions, and do it for 80 minutes. Defence is giving the other team the opposite. As a Coach said to us once before a game, 'Rugby is a simple game or they wouldn't let you pricks play it'.

Scoring tries is the Marketers' dream, stopping them isn't, I don't care where or what sport it is, the best teams are good defensively. Most of us are former players, and all are invested in sport. Until the club as a whole starts loving 6-4 wins the Warriors will continue to suck the hind tit.

Finally, I don't mind losses, I grew up supporting the BOP Steamers for fucks sake. As long as they show effort and passion I can cop it. The shit they are serving up is unacceptable. If anyone from the Warriors reads this, please take away that the fans demand effort above all else, that is where it all starts.
 
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Coops

Coops

Can someone more intelligent than me tell the forum, from a philosophical point of view, what the differences are between the Union and RL in nz currently is.
Why is the gap in professionalism so big, why the mental softness in league etc.. Why does one have pride and the other none, is it because it's an oz comp and not taken as seriously by people, is it seen as a flash sideshow compared to serious union. Are jobs too easy to find for the players in RL, they can just switch teams etc...
 
Salatape

Salatape

Can someone more intelligent than me tell the forum, from a philosophical point of view, what the differences are between the Union and RL in nz currently is.
Why is the gap in professionalism so big, why the mental softness in league etc.. Why does one have pride and the other none, is it because it's an oz comp and not taken as seriously by people, is it seen as a flash sideshow compared to serious union. Are jobs too easy to find for the players in RL, they can just switch teams etc...

Rugby League just isn't as big a deal in NZ compared to Aus especially in terms of funding/setup.

This also has quite a bit to do with it imo https://www.nzwarriors.com/threads/polynesian-culture-at-the-warriors.43986/
 
jonno

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Iafetas Kickstand Wang

Iafetas Kickstand Wang

I still tune in every game. I missed 3 in 22 years. Last one was in 2001. But i hate watching, and i spend most of the time texting or facebooking, rather than watching. I even missed the first 17 minutes on friday.

When I watch the games, no matter how well we are doing, im wary. I used to watch a lose and think "dont worry, we can get it back next week". Now if we win, i think, "dont worry, we will blow it next week".

I put so much of the problem squarely on our #7s shoulders. Everyone has been convinced he is our saviour. He believes it himself. He isnt. He is a crap 80 minute player. He has no fortitude and no interest in playing unless he can be the hero. That requires a last minute freak play. You cant build a team around him. We need to stop wasting our time trying. We have let go of so many players, who would have combined to create a formidable team, just to keep an egotistical git.

I think everyone has missed the key to the culture problem. Its wasnt the CEO. It wasnt the coach. Its only partially the players. Its also partially us for giving them god-complexes. But the real key to the culture problem is the owner.

The thing i hate most about all of this is that i have become an obsessive collector for my man-cave. I buy something at least once a week to add to it, sometimes 3 or 4 items in a week. I now call it my Shrine to Losers.

Yep. I've got a friend who flicks through Tumblr porn. Shameful stuff.
 

theleagueguy

The success of rugby is the provinces not Auckland. The Blues can't produce a first five similar to the Warriors can't consistently produce big athletic forwards. Just look at the Barrett brothers, Damien Mckenzie all from the provinces.
 
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Iafetas Kickstand Wang

Iafetas Kickstand Wang

guaranteed money was there problem. heavily and i mean heavily inflated contracts. they just brought wrestlers in just so the WWF wouldnt have them. guys got paid even if they were on TV or house shows. WWF paid guys if they were on tv and having matches.

so essentially guys in wcw got paid even when they didnt have to work hard and put in...... dont know about you but doesnt that sound some what familiar?

WWF pays were reliant on house and merchandise revenues too. Very incentivised. V Hogan in WCW who got $750k per PPV.

With WCW they kept producing absolute garbage with no regard for fans. And by early 1999 after the finger poke of doom the arse started falling out the bottom of it.

There are so many similarities here. So many.
 
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Johnnyray

Johnnyray

Can someone more intelligent than me tell the forum, from a philosophical point of view, what the differences are between the Union and RL in nz currently is.

Yep ! Sure thing :

"Rugby is an amateur game run by professionals and Rugby League is professional game run by amateurs ... " - Graham Lowe.

Or " We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit” – Aristotle.

In other words we are fucked !

NZ Warriors.

:(
 
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snake77

snake77

plus just like at Newcastle a culling is needed so sk can build his team.and if it takes 5 years like the knights it takes 5 years,because I wanna be proud of a team that gives a dig and gives a fuck
Lets just hope after any culling things improve and they stay that way. The club has got it's act together a few times 2001-300 and 2006-2011 and both times have fallen away.

The difficulty with rebuilding and waiting 5 years is the damage in the mean time. This is more due to the build up from the last few years of up and down performances. If we started the rebuild say in 2014 I'd be a little more at ease.

Apathy is probably a good description of the feeling around the club at the moment. After 20+ years I'm pretty close to needing a break from supporting week to week, it has already got to the stage where I'm get worked up by the results.
 
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