Johnnyray

Johnnyray

Ummm do you know how a Board works? This is exactly how its done. Different people with different specialties working towards a common goal...

Yes but generally all in same field, it's usually never as diverse as this. You want guys advising you on something you would at least expect them to have some understanding or experience of industry you're in. Rugby League is unique sport even from Rugby so why you would persist in getting a group of people in on your board from sports other than one you're already in is personally beyond me ... :sorry:
 
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t-wade23

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Not sold on if Mangini should be advising anything been an avid follower of the NFL this guy is universally scolded for his decisions when he was head coach/GM of the Jets and Browns was abysmal at assembling Rosters aka free agency and drafting and playing guys out of position (sound familiar?) but I seriously don't like his appointment granted its an Diffrent sport he is an running joke amongst many in the NFL with his decision making. Fortunately it's only an advisory role
 
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Stone

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That's some interesting stuff t-wade23

I'm not trying to defend Mangini cos the first time I personally ever heard about the guy was during the press release last night, so he's a bit of a mystery to me

But my question would be if what you're saying as an avid follower of the NFL is factual (and I have no reason to believe it's not cos I don't follow the game) and not just opinion based, then how is that Mangini managed to stay involved in the upper echelons (even being awarded AFC Coach of the Year in 2006) of the cutthroat results driven world of the NFL for two decades & wasn't just fired & cast aside ?

I'm not trying to belittle your comment at all or defend Mangini or anything like that bro, I'm just genuinely interested in your take on that as an avid NFL fan cos I really have a relatively limited amount of knowledge on that sport
 
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That's some interesting stuff t-wade23

I'm not trying to defend Mangini cos the first time I personally ever heard about the guy was during the press release last night, so he's a bit of a mystery to me

But my question would be if what you're saying as an avid follower of the NFL is factual (and I have no reason to believe it's not cos I don't follow the game) and not just opinion based, then how is that Mangini managed to stay involved in the upper echelons (even being awarded AFC Coach of the Year in 2006) of the cutthroat results driven world of the NFL for two decades & wasn't just fired & cast aside ?

I'm not trying to belittle your comment at all or defend Mangini or anything like that bro, I'm just genuinely interested in your take on that as an avid NFL fan cos I really have a relatively limited amount of knowledge on that sport

Mangini was and is an great defensive mind he was part of the Patriots who are universally accepted the best team of the last decade or so and was an big contributor to the defensive side of the ball. That's why he keeps popping up but he wears out his welcome quickly same thing happened at the 49ers last season

His time at the Jets is an bit of lie while he did win coach of the year in 06 that jets team was built by another regime and coach before but after that season he tore that roster apart to bring in his own people and preferred players and didn't make the playoffs at all for the last two seasons of his time also he snitched on the guy that gave his first job in the NFL and was an close friend

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_New_England_Patriots_videotaping_controversy

His Browns time can be read here

https://www.si.com/more-sports/2009/09/29/mangini

He was regarded as the worst Browns coach in history which is saying something because they have been proberly the worst franchise in these last ten years. Alienating players doing funky things with his schemes and players out of position.


Just my opinion wouldn't have him advising anything terrible coach/Gm doesn't understand how to deal with player personalities and has had very minimal success in the NFL.
 
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I wish you hadnt mentioned the 49rs, Im just going to have to play Madden on Xbox so we can win lol.

Whats the lawyer for?

I can understand Henry from an analytical and culture perspective. But what the club really needed was that Gus Gould (not literally him, someone like him) type who knows the system, knows how to put an NRL club together, knows how its done and should be replicated in the warriors, not an NFL coach. Laurie Daley perhaps, although he has less/no experience putting clubs together and coaching NRL. But knows the culture.
 
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Stone

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Thanks for the info t-wade23 that's some very interesting stuff brother, here's hoping Mangini drops some knowledge on the pitfalls to avoid that he experienced from his time in the NFL as well as some crossover ideas from that sport

Just to touch on a few other points ...

Johnnyray I get your point bro but from my perspective diversity can also be a good thing as it sometimes expands the input of ideas, if everyone in a group is all from the same area of experience then it can severely limit the flow of ideas as everyone is essentially picking apples from the same tree so to speak

On the flipside though diversity can also cause a lack of focus in terms of random non-related ideas flying in from every which way, so with that in mind it will be interesting to see how the FAB performs in that regard

AusWarriorsFan if by "The Lawyer" you're referring to Eastwood then as I understand it he has a considerable amount of experience as a High Performance Consultant to some relatively heavy hitters out there eg: Chelsea FC, South African Cricket & also Nato just to name a few

Also, I'm firmly of mind that we don't actually need a Gus Gould type to come in & further Australianize the Warriors, it's fairly obvious from my perspective that Doyle is trying to build a Kiwi-centric type culture here at the club, so like i said earlier, if that is indeed the modus operandi moving forward then I believe they should focus on maximizing the unique advantages that comes from that while simultaneously minimizing the obvious disadvantages

That's not to say they shouldn't cherry pick from what works with all of the other clubs, but IMO the Warriors are relatively unique in the challenges that they face so everything that works for an Aus based club may not necessarily work for us

As the only Kiwi based club in the comp I've always viewed the Warriors as being in an us against them type situation, so I'm personally encouraged that the powers that be are implementing a unique (as far as the NRL & the Warriors go) approach to dealing with the challenges that we face here

Will it actually all pay off ??? ... well that's the 64 million dollar question isn't it & remains to be seen, but so far I personally like what I'm seeing overall
 
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How about a fan forum member on the board?
I know you're joking but that's not actually as silly as it sounds IMO brother

My vote would be either mt.wellington for his passion & knowledge of the game and or facefacts for his brutally honest no holds barred assessments

With of course a caveat in their contracts that they both have to refer to the general consensus of this forum before presenting any ideas to the FAB ;):p
 
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Lord Gnome of Howick MBE

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I know you're joking but that's not actually as silly as it sounds IMO brother

My vote would be either mt.wellington for his passion & knowledge of the game and or facefacts for his brutally honest no holds barred assessments

With of course a caveat in their contracts that they both have to refer to the general consensus of this forum before presenting any ideas to the FAB ;):p

My football team in the UK actually has a fan on its board of directors, and that's a plc
 
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My football team in the UK actually has a fan on its board of directors, and that's a plc
I actually think that's a really clever idea & a pretty shrewd business move

Gives the club a more intimate & accurate view on the fans perspective & gives the fans a consistently direct channel to make their views known to the club

After all, without the fans none of these sporting organisations exist

I for one wouldn't be entirely opposed to the Warriors doing something like that, the only problems I can see is that unlike Premier League Clubs who represent a particular region the Warriors represent an entire country

And with all the bullshit politics that exists within NZ rugby league I could see it potentially becoming a bit of a pissing contest for various different clubs & regions to make sure it's their man or woman who gets the job

Apart from that though I don't really see any particular downside to it, actually it would've been great to have a fan on the board when Scurrah was still involved just to tell him "look here son, all of us fans see through this blatant money making scheme you have going on here by pushing 50,000 different jerseys a season on us & given that a large part of the fan base is working class we don't fucking appreciate it, so we veto that shit, next point of order please" :finger::D
 
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yeah the hundreds of different jerseys became such a money grabbing step on your own ego walk on your pride in the jersey move.... wish taihoa could have been called on that earlier! Just like it should have been called on Neo liberal rogernomic's polcies in David Lange's Labour government & John Key's current policy to reduce state houses & let overseas investors buy property unchecked to make his core voters richer but i digress...

Fan advisory board is a good idea representing all walks of season ticket holders from the Jaffa latte sipping mut su kau weekend warrior who got off the bandwagon to keep the faith, to the stereo typical South Auckland state house Nesian after bills, church donations & fa'alavelave for Aiga have taken there cut still managed to take there kids to see a Warriors game, to the Westie tradie who hopes demand for his trade will pick up like the warriors will next season, to the wealthy old white guy who still views himself as the working class guy he was 40 years ago, to the provincial die hard who travels to Auckland for every game and everything in between?

also one thing about this board where is the invite for Mike Pero or any other genuinely successful business man of Maori/islander ancestry? As far as i can see all other incredible experience they bring aside American NFL coaches & grumpy elderly white ex high school principals wouldn't really understand this playing group to well. Guttenbeil is there but definitely need something besides the ex player angle.
 
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Van Dam to his older brother in OG kickboxer - "dont fight Tong Po i saw him kicking a concrete pole and dust was falling down from the celling". Older Brother- "Yeah but can he move like me" then letting letting off a flurry of week looking jabs... B grade classic even old school movies trailer voice over guy was on point... they went to far!


2016 remake starring Kear...ah i mean Van Dam as trainer this time
 
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J.Dizzle

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This does sound rather impressive,

Or is it going to end up a team of experts twiddling their thumbs after every loss?
 
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bruce

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I wish you hadnt mentioned the 49rs, Im just going to have to play Madden on Xbox so we can win lol.

I can understand Henry from an analytical and culture perspective. But what the club really needed was that Gus Gould (not literally him, someone like him) type who knows the system, knows how to put an NRL club together, knows how its done and should be replicated in the warriors, not an NFL coach. Laurie Daley perhaps, although he has less/no experience putting clubs together and coaching NRL. But knows the culture.

We don't need a guy like Gus Gould. He doesn't know (or care) enough about the NZ game. Ok he has the Panthers firing at last but he had a history with the Panthers and is a Sydney expert. I can see where JD is coming from with this board, but my guess is the buck will stop with JD, so he can do as he likes IMO.
 
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GH is right on point with this one (this also has been pointed out on this forum many times).
Over the last few years we have seen when the going gets tough they just fall apart.

We got to see this when Shaun Johnson got injured they thought they couldn't win without him and the results showed us this.
This year we have also seen examples of this team lacking the mental toughness to win games.

After 21 years of not winning a GF you would think it wouldn't be too difficult for the players to have this self-belief.

GH also made the comment that part of the AB success is the continuity of people. In regards to this point I suspect he had input in Cappy being kept on as assistant coach.

Let hope in 2017 it can be different.

Warriors players lack belief, says Sir Graham Henry

Sir Graham Henry has questioned the belief in the Warriors' playing ranks as the club embarks on yet another new era under incoming coach Stephen Kearney.

After advising Andrew McFadden in a support role earlier this year, the former All Blacks coach has joined the Warriors' new football advisory board that was announced this week along with the coaching changes.

McFadden was replaced by Kearney in the head coaching position, but kept on as an assistant, after the club missed the finals for the fifth-straight year.

But while long-suffering Warriors supporters would surely settle for an eighth-place finish in 2017, Henry says Kearney needs to set about creating an environment that strives for greatness.

"The expectation must be that this side can do the business, can win the NRL - you don't hear that a lot. Maybe that's a weakness," Henry told Newstalk ZB.

"I think there's a lot of work to be done in that area.

"There needs to be a higher expectation (within the club)."

Along with Henry, the advisory board also includes former NFL coach Eric Mangini, ex-Warrior Awen Guttenbeil and club director Owen Eastwood.

Henry hopes they can help develop a culture at Mt Smart which is driven by more than just results on the field.

Citing his experience with the All Blacks, he said they are motivated by self-improvement which dictates everything they do.

"I think the (Warriors) players are hung-up about winning and losing and when the pressure gets on they get tight and don't play as well as they should," Henry added on Newstalk ZB.

"Everybody is hard-wired to win, the All Blacks are hard-wired to win. But they're galvanised by team and self improvement so they're always striving for that when they're on the field and when they're preparing. And that takes over the mind.

"I think that's the challenge of the Warriors."

Henry was also fully supportive of the club's decision to keep McFadden at the club, saying continuity is crucial for success.

"One of the major reasons for the All Blacks success is continuity of people.

"Andrew being there the last three years, he knows where they're at, he knows what needs to be done. He may not have been able to execute that as well as he may of hoped but he knows what's required."

- Stuff
 
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bruce

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GH is right on point with this one (this also has been pointed out on this forum many times).
Over the last few years we have seen when the going gets tough they just fall apart.

We got to see this when Shaun Johnson got injured they thought they couldn't win without him and the results showed us this.
This year we have also seen examples of this team lacking the mental toughness to win games.

After 21 years of not winning a GF you would think it wouldn't be too difficult for the players to have this self-belief.

GH also made the comment that part of the AB success is the continuity of people. In regards to this point I suspect he had input in Cappy being kept on as assistant coach.

Let hope in 2017 it can be different.

Warriors players lack belief, says Sir Graham Henry

Sir Graham Henry has questioned the belief in the Warriors' playing ranks as the club embarks on yet another new era under incoming coach Stephen Kearney.

After advising Andrew McFadden in a support role earlier this year, the former All Blacks coach has joined the Warriors' new football advisory board that was announced this week along with the coaching changes.

McFadden was replaced by Kearney in the head coaching position, but kept on as an assistant, after the club missed the finals for the fifth-straight year.

But while long-suffering Warriors supporters would surely settle for an eighth-place finish in 2017, Henry says Kearney needs to set about creating an environment that strives for greatness.

"The expectation must be that this side can do the business, can win the NRL - you don't hear that a lot. Maybe that's a weakness," Henry told Newstalk ZB.

"I think there's a lot of work to be done in that area.

"There needs to be a higher expectation (within the club)."

Along with Henry, the advisory board also includes former NFL coach Eric Mangini, ex-Warrior Awen Guttenbeil and club director Owen Eastwood.

Henry hopes they can help develop a culture at Mt Smart which is driven by more than just results on the field.

Citing his experience with the All Blacks, he said they are motivated by self-improvement which dictates everything they do.

"I think the (Warriors) players are hung-up about winning and losing and when the pressure gets on they get tight and don't play as well as they should," Henry added on Newstalk ZB.

"Everybody is hard-wired to win, the All Blacks are hard-wired to win. But they're galvanised by team and self improvement so they're always striving for that when they're on the field and when they're preparing. And that takes over the mind.

"I think that's the challenge of the Warriors."

Henry was also fully supportive of the club's decision to keep McFadden at the club, saying continuity is crucial for success.

"One of the major reasons for the All Blacks success is continuity of people.

"Andrew being there the last three years, he knows where they're at, he knows what needs to be done. He may not have been able to execute that as well as he may of hoped but he knows what's required."

- Stuff
I have never been a fan of SGH, but I wasn't of John Hart either and his influence at the club was very positive. One thing SGH can do is identify coaching talent. Arguably anybody could coach a team with Steve Hansen and Wayne Smith as assistants. SGH obviously has wraps on Cappy, which is reassuring. He must have wraps on Kearney as well otherwise neither of them would have taken the job. This could actually work as long as they have their roles clear, which knowing JD one can assume is a given.
 
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Sounds very similar to what we are doing.


St George Illawarra coach Paul McGregor has survived the axe in the wake of the side's underwhelming NRL performance this year.

McGregor looks set to see out the final year of his contract in 2017 following a review of the club's performance and the appointment of a committee to oversee the football department.

In a public letter to fans, the club said they accepted criticism for their 11th-placed finish this season.

The club have appointed a four-person rugby league performance committee, consisting of former skipper Mark Coyne, sports scientist Dr Craig Duncan, and coaching and performance specialists Clare Prideaux and Dirk Melton, to address deficiencies in the Dragons' performance.

McGregor had been under pressure after an underwhelming season, however he appears to have kept his job with the club acknowledging a number of factors that had led to the side missing the finals.

The club's statement also praised McGregor as having a "positive future as an NRL coach and is the Dragons' head coach in 2017".

"Our results in 2016 were not acceptable and no one within the club is happy or comfortable with our results and inconsistent performances this year," McGregor said.

"All systems within the football department and aspects of the 2016 program have been reviewed, areas for improvement have been identified, and I'm encouraged about the prospect of input and support from the rugby league performance committee."

The side's lacklustre performance cost veteran playmaker Benji Marshall and hooker Mitch Rein their positions.

McGregor said the club's 2017 roster had not been finalised and promised changes to key positions.

The Dragons have been linked to trouble-prone playmaker Todd Carney, recently released by Super League club Catalans, and Canberra prop Paul Vaughan.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rug...gons-axe/ar-BBwIMQ2?li=AA54yd&ocid=spartandhp
 
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I still think we only needed S GH and one NRL expert like Sterlo or Mal Maninga, somebody who knows NRL like GH knows yawnion.

sounds like Cleary has missed out on another gig.
 
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bruce

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Great idea. Can't find a coach so appoint a committee to help him.
 
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