General Warriors end of year 2022 discussion

So, we're not quite at the end of the year but I thought it might be good to have a place to discuss the year as a whole. Frustrations, what went well, what we hope improves for 2023 etc.

Defense has obviously been horrible this year, and is the biggest thing we need to change imo. I don't think we can keep Justin Morgan on and tweak a few things, we need a complete overhaul. Surely you can't keep your job as defensive coach when you've had the worst defence all year?

At the moment we've conceded 673 points this year. Interestingly 296 of them - nearly half - have come from 6 games alone. 25% of our games have equated around 47% of our points against, which is astronomically bad. In comparison, taking out those 6 games our points for is 338 and against is 377 (19 v 22 average).

There is light at the end of the tunnel - RW leaving us is going to be quite a big net gain. Conservatively I think you would say he's cost us by him self, at least 10 tries this year. That number is obviously way more, but faulting only him (and not our other poor defence) I think 10 would be a fair number. That won't be there next year.

I think we need to look at the Cowboys as an example. Last year they were the worst defensive team conceding 748 points, but this year have turned that around by a whopping 400 points, sitting at only 350 points against - nearly 3 tries less a game.
Interestingly they're only 150 odd points better attacking wise this year, or around 1 try more a game.

I heard a stat that the last 20 years only 1 team has won the comp while not being one of the top 3 defensive teams in the competition. This has to be out goal moving forward, while we probably won't go as well as the Cowboys and tidy up 400 points next year, if we aim at improving 1 try less a game defensively next year (plus RW's 10 tries) and we don't clock off when we're getting beaten so scorelines blow out massively, I think we'll improve 10 fold.
 
This season came down to fitness and conditioning to me. It was evident from the first few weeks.

Other teams sprint at the ball carrier in a swarm in defence - all game. We are one out and jogging in D, or just take a couple of steps forward and make a line. It flows into our whole defence and attack structure (both worst ever). Concentration/ handling/ IQ plays letting us down when we’re under constant fatigue. The inability to hit and stick one on one, etc. How many half’s have we just ‘hung in there’ without scoring a point. It ain’t just Morgan! Everything builds off the conditioning base.

Look how Bellamy takes average players and makes them great. Look how Payten took the spoon challengers and turned them around. Look at Penrith with a small team but huge motors.

Fitness and conditioning is the base you build off. I believe your position on the ladder is almost set within 3/4 places by the squads conditioning at the start of the year.

The next preseason is that important! Hopefully Webster knows the standard from the Panthers.
 
I don't think there is anything I can say that hasn't already been said by someone else in a more eloquent way, so until I have something meaningful add I'll just leave this meme here..

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*Except next year really is our year! right? 🥲
 

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Have you heard, Trbojevic brothers potentially set to walk? Rift with DCE. Would we bring em to the warriors 2023? Thoughts ?
 
This season came down to fitness and conditioning to me. It was evident from the first few weeks.

Other teams sprint at the ball carrier in a swarm in defence - all game. We are one out and jogging in D, or just take a couple of steps forward and make a line. It flows into our whole defence and attack structure (both worst ever). Concentration/ handling/ IQ plays letting us down when we’re under constant fatigue. The inability to hit and stick one on one, etc. How many half’s have we just ‘hung in there’ without scoring a point. It ain’t just Morgan! Everything builds off the conditioning base.

Look how Bellamy takes average players and makes them great. Look how Payten took the spoon challengers and turned them around. Look at Penrith with a small team but huge motors.

Fitness and conditioning is the base you build off. I believe your position on the ladder is almost set within 3/4 places by the squads conditioning at the start of the year.

The next preseason is that important! Hopefully Webster knows the standard from the Panthers.

Is it really just that? I'm hoping so, as that seems like a relatively easy fix. I never really noticed our guys looking gassed tho....obviously there are exceptions here and there but we never looked crazy fatigued.

If that is the case tho...how the f**k have we managed to be so shit fitness wise for a whole season? That's literally several people's actual job - how have they not been able to remedy that after noticing it in say Rd 4 or 5.

Frustrating as f**k haha
 
Is it really just that? I'm hoping so, as that seems like a relatively easy fix. I never really noticed our guys looking gassed tho....obviously there are exceptions here and there but we never looked crazy fatigued.

If that is the case tho...how the f**k have we managed to be so shit fitness wise for a whole season? That's literally several people's actual job - how have they not been able to remedy that after noticing it in say Rd 4 or 5.

Frustrating as f**k haha
The fitness and conditioning was noticeable to me. Don’t get me wrong, we are fit, but the top teams are elite fitness on another level. It plays out in us dropping off tackles, making stupid mistakes, losing the meter eating battle, moving up slower in defence, resting for the first 4 tackles rather than probing in attack, etc. Not hugely noticeable but those 1%ers add up over a game.

Sounds easy to fix but you have to push the players beyond what they are comfortable with (Bellamy and Payten examples). The players will push back - hence Corvo being fired after a successful 2018 campaign…

You need a coach and trainers that know the standards and can force the conditioning culture into sometimes unwilling squad members. You need the leadership within the squad to go with, rather than oppose pushing it to their limits. Its also knowing how far your can push people at different parts of the season.

Then their is the balance - aerobic vs anaerobic vs strength/ power vs carrying some extra bulk vs speed and explosiveness; etc. Worst ever in attack AND defence proved there are underlying factors rather than just a shit defensive coach.
 
Can anyone actually explain what Brownie was trying to do at all, coaching wise... and why it sucked so much?
or is it that plus a mixture of all the off field stuff that made us perform so badly this year.
Stay tuned for my season review pod, I’m going to have a stab at this mate.

In summary I think he overreacted to rule changes and tried to impose a new (and misguided) system and style far too quickly, and lost the players in the process.
 
This thread is pretty much exactly why I'm pretty much done with the Warriors. The few thoughtful posts here talk about DEFENCE and CONDITIONING. Now if you add in MENTAL TOUGHNESS UNDER FATIGUE you pretty much have the focus that Kearney bought to the team when he came. Now I get people don't like him and didn't think he would take the team to the top but he and Corvo had the beginning of what we need to do. Mohawk spat the dummy over an agent and Kearney not having the personality that sucked a bosses cock so he was gone. That ended it for me. We did well off of hard conditioning and defense. Yes there was no attack. But fuck we need to get the first two things right first. Then build. I really hope Webster is given enough time. I could not give two shits if we don't win a prem in the next five years. Just get some systems in place. Stop buying in has-beens and fuckwits who are only at the warriors for other reasons - money, back for kids, getting some game time. Its gonna take time to build a proper defensive system. Proper conditioning. And it will show who is there for fun or for the hard work to win. Cos we saw in Kearneys last year or so that he found out the fuckers who dont want to work hard. This time instead of listening to a player revolt get rid of the lazy fuckers and get hard workers in. Build the culture. Thats a 5 year thing easy. But i bet he will be around for 2.33 years and then kicked cos we are losing our first few rounds.
 
Brown was the worst appointment in warriors history. As soon as he was announced I knew the only way for us was down. When he took over we were a team that should have been placing 6-10th.

As fonzie mentioned he over complicated everything. No matter what rule changes come in the fundamentals will never change - work hard, be physical and earn the right to spread the ball.
 
The Warriors have never ever been a properly run club. From day one. And it only got worse with the Tainui era and then Watson and eventually Owen Glenn and now Robinson. Too many egos wanting a vanity project.
I think that it was Sup42? that posted a while ago that we had been in a slow death spiral for over a decade and that we are picking up speed as we approach the plug hole.
And he was quite right. Here we are at the end of 2022 with the plug hole staring us in the face

There weren't many positives from the year for me. Vailea and Kosi coming through was great. As was getting Tohu Harris back. Ale looks good for the future. Maybe a couple of good signings for next year but we'll see. Being a Warrior can do funny things to even the best player

Negatives from the year? Probably too many to list in full
Coaching
Reese Walsh
Losing CHT
Losing Lodge. Like him or not that was huge for the club
Shaun Johnson. And before the Shaun Johnson is Jesus fans jump on me even he went public recently with how crap he is. He didn't offer the club a refund on his fee though
We lack football nous and systems. Good teams know what is happening and where players should be at every stage of the game
No mental conditioning. Lots of how to run and tackle training but there doesn't seem to be enough work on keeping the top 6 inches switched on for 80 minutes
Defence
Mohawk
Playing away from home
Playing at home and finding out that the whole 3 years away from home thing was rubbish because we can be awful at home

And possibly Walsh and Johnson playing in the same team. I thought that Walsh looked so much better when he popped up on the left in attack and they played away from Johnson in several games and while Johnson was out.

The media hype that we seem to buy into. Playing away from home probably didn't save the NRL. If a billion dollar industry can't survive one team defaulting then they have huge issues. It may have saved the Warriors though as a couple of years without TV dollars if they weren't competing would have hurt. And so would the NRL cobbling together a makeshift central coast team to fill in for us. Because we would have lost our spot. Contracts in the NRL are pretty flimsy

The team doesn't play better at Mt Smart. We have sucked there for years
We have to do it all again next year with another new coach

Wow. So much for Webster to work on. Good luck
 
The fitness and conditioning was noticeable to me. Don’t get me wrong, we are fit, but the top teams are elite fitness on another level. It plays out in us dropping off tackles, making stupid mistakes, losing the meter eating battle, moving up slower in defence, resting for the first 4 tackles rather than probing in attack, etc. Not hugely noticeable but those 1%ers add up over a game.

Sounds easy to fix but you have to push the players beyond what they are comfortable with (Bellamy and Payten examples). The players will push back - hence Corvo being fired after a successful 2018 campaign…

You need a coach and trainers that know the standards and can force the conditioning culture into sometimes unwilling squad members. You need the leadership within the squad to go with, rather than oppose pushing it to their limits. Its also knowing how far your can push people at different parts of the season.

Then their is the balance - aerobic vs anaerobic vs strength/ power vs carrying some extra bulk vs speed and explosiveness; etc. Worst ever in attack AND defence proved there are underlying factors rather than just a shit defensive coach.
Awesome post bro. I'm such a staunch supporter but I think a lot of the 1 percenters are missed on me.

Sounds like we're gunna be in rebuild mode yet again, and it will take a few years.

If you were Webster, knowing there is a shit tonne of things that need looking at, what do you focus on first? Conditioning? Defense? Shiet I feel pretty pessimistic ATM knowing there's so much to get right
 
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Awesome post bro. I'm such a staunch supporter but I think a lot of the 1 percenters are missed on me.

Sounds like we're gunna be in rebuild mode yet again, and it will take a few years.

If you were Webster, knowing there is a shit tonne of things that need looking at, what do you focus on first? Conditioning? Defense? Shiet I feel pretty pessimistic ATM knowing there's so much to get right
Payten had a clear idea of what was needed, the players bought in and after 1 rebuild season the teams now on fire and top 4.

Does Webster have that vision and strength of personality to force the changes needed? Will the players respond?

Good things can happen fast but you need those strong personalities in both the coaching and player group.
 
I blame the lack of game sense and game fitness on the lack of a cohesive NSW Cup team - ie a Warriors team. Thanks to the Dolphins for taking some of our players when it suited (obviously and rightly, they would have focussed on their players first), but I really think to build cohesion or something at least like cohesion, you do need a full team of your club's players playing at NSW Cup/Reserve level.

I'm not sure how much of the lack of fitness is actually non-league as in "not enough running, cardio, weights etc etc". I'd suggest surely that's not the issue.

And I'm sure after the weirdness of 2020 turned into "We're going to have to do this shit again and again...." that wore the team down and there was no one in management who could/wanted to get the team together to engender some Us Against Covid solidarity. Some teams spent time away from their homes and didn't end up going too badly. Both Warriors senior players and management were found wanting there.