
Miket12
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Syringes, juice and pills not yet banned by WADALove to know what Des has up his sleeve...
since we now have a Bunker, I vote for having a Operating theatre on the pitch.The field is not a triage centre. There's no x ray machines. No blood test kits. Nothing. The doctor has to narrow down the prognosis possibilities from the information.
Why are people so grossly offended by this thread, obviously the title is a bit of a joke, but everyone’s quite happy to ream a player, coach or official when people think they might have made a bad call.
Why are medico’s out of bounds?
Actually genuinely interested to know.
Is it just that no one knows what they're talking about? If that was the criteria, precious little would get posted around here.
Its reasonable to speculate why the team seem to be over represented in season ending knee injuries going back years now.
Even if all its just bad luck.
I didn't realize we had professional posters on here lolThe medico's are out of bounds because unlike a lot of other aspects of the club, we have almost ZERO information re the medical staff, the treatment, etc etc. It's far more involved than the OP suggests. This isn't the same as questioning Cappy's selections, or use of the bench, or whatever else we tend to harp on about. Those things we can actually see, and a lot of the reasoning is actually made available to us via interviews, inside word etc. This is the exact opposite of what happens regarding players' injuries, treatments, prognosis etc. Firstly because it's a gross violation of doctor-patient relationship and none of our business, secondly because all clubs keep the details of injuries to their players closely guarded in the interests of keeping the opposition guessing. We get told the bare bones of injuries, ie. ACL rupture round 7, having surgery, season over - and then perhaps a few feel good interviews about how well the rehab is going. You're crazy if you think it is all just that simple.
Next point, the OP questions Doc Mayhew, or 'medical staff'. Who here is aware of how many medical staff we have, what are their roles? Who decides if a player is fit to play? We have a club doctor, physiotherapists, masseuses, strength and conditioning coaches, and likely a bunch of sports scientists who give their input regarding sports related physiology, nutrition, etc etc. Then you have the orthopaedic surgeons who actually do the respective operations and will be heavily involved in their rehab in terms of what they're able to do and when. This is why it's such a stupid thing to question, noone even knows who they're asking or what they're asking! It'd be like me barging into the beehive in Wellington and demanding to talk to John Key about the exchange rate, the mere fact that I'd asked such a stupid question only serves to cement how little I know about what I'm even asking.
And I would say that lack of knowledge definitely contributes to the overall lack of respectability of the original question. What do you mean by knee injuries anyway? Because the knee is a complex joint with multiple possible sites of injury. Are you referring to anterior cruciate ligaments, posterior cruciates, medial and lateral collateral ligaments, meniscus injuries, patella or patella tendon injuries, femur or tibial injuries, cartilage problems? All these are common knee complaints/injuries and they can all happen in many different ways.
Lastly, is the team over represented in terms of knee injuries? Or any injuries? That sounds horrifically anecdotal, because those sort of stats would take a long time to collate and there are a lot of clubs that have a lot of injuries year after year. Most fans would consider their own clubs unlucky injury wise, you know why? Because they pay sweet fuck all attention to what's going on elsewhere. If someone came to me and said that over the past 10 years the Warriors have a 50% higher rate of anterior cruciate rupture compared with every other club accounting for the wider squad, reserve grade, and NYC then I would say fine, let's ask why on earth that is. Noone even knows who or what they're asking, or to be more clear, they know so little they don't know who or what to ask. Hence drawing tenuous links between the only prominent medical name at the club and anecdotal feelings about injuries over an undefined period of time is amateur hour at it's best.
I didn't realize we had professional posters on here lol
But you're right I was drawing tenuous links based on anecdotal feelings and felt like making a thread about it, ill conceived as it is, because I thought that's what fourums were for, my mistake
Hasn't he lost one of the Morris twins to a knee injury?Love to know what Des has up his sleeve...
I'm know knee expert, but doesn't a ACL tear mean you are able to run in a straight line ok, but as soon as you try lateral movement it just gives way??I'm sure I read something after Saturdays game where Roger Tuivasa-Sheck after being taken off was on the sideline on the exercise bike, Is that a fucking smart thing to do?
How do you strengthen an ACL against a tear or a rupture? show me the exercises you can do for it...
Is it the knee jerk that leads to ACL tears?Im just over the knee jerk reactions that this site is plagued with (all forums probably). This one just seemed over the top.
Is that when they are on a short plank thats on a ball???There is nothing there that the Warriors won't already be doing, except for the balance board
Is it the knee jerk that leads to ACL tears?
Is that when they are on a short plank thats on a ball???
Is that when they are on a short plank thats on a ball???
The Warriors use it. Only see the rehab boys using it though. Sam Tomkins was the last one I saw using it...Its in the link above mate, but TBH, I've never personally seen it. I understand the theory, and yeah, you could do it on a ball although that would be stupendously tough. The idea is that the board basically is moving, and because you have to counter act the movement it creates balance - and generally that will also strengthen your tendons and ligaments. I go to the gym where the Mounties NSW Cup team train,and I've never seen them do that - I'm sure they do outside sessions that I don't see, but I've never seen it. Physiologically it makes sense, but I personally prefer the squat to strengthen the tendons and ligaments because you seriously have to manoeuvre a series of muscles in high coordination to be able to squat a high weight with the right technique. I'm certainly no expert at it, its a real challenge and I have to psyche myself up to push higher weights on it.
Brilliant post and thanks for sharing but I am going to have a go anyway because I can, and I think it makes the Forum a more democratic vehicle than say a forum where people who have personal lines into to players or medical degrees could enjoy a god like un questioned status (whereas pricks like me like to have their say in any case, which is what keeps talk back shows alive...the vehicle of the ignorant).The medico's are out of bounds because unlike a lot of other aspects of the club, we have almost ZERO information re the medical staff, the treatment, etc etc. It's far more involved than the OP suggests. This isn't the same as questioning Cappy's selections, or use of the bench, or whatever else we tend to harp on about. Those things we can actually see, and a lot of the reasoning is actually made available to us via interviews, inside word etc. This is the exact opposite of what happens regarding players' injuries, treatments, prognosis etc. Firstly because it's a gross violation of doctor-patient relationship and none of our business, secondly because all clubs keep the details of injuries to their players closely guarded in the interests of keeping the opposition guessing. We get told the bare bones of injuries, ie. ACL rupture round 7, having surgery, season over - and then perhaps a few feel good interviews about how well the rehab is going. You're crazy if you think it is all just that simple.
Next point, the OP questions Doc Mayhew, or 'medical staff'. Who here is aware of how many medical staff we have, what are their roles? Who decides if a player is fit to play? We have a club doctor, physiotherapists, masseuses, strength and conditioning coaches, and likely a bunch of sports scientists who give their input regarding sports related physiology, nutrition, etc etc. Then you have the orthopaedic surgeons who actually do the respective operations and will be heavily involved in their rehab in terms of what they're able to do and when. This is why it's such a stupid thing to question, noone even knows who they're asking or what they're asking! It'd be like me barging into the beehive in Wellington and demanding to talk to John Key about the exchange rate, the mere fact that I'd asked such a stupid question only serves to cement how little I know about what I'm even asking.
And I would say that lack of knowledge definitely contributes to the overall lack of respectability of the original question. What do you mean by knee injuries anyway? Because the knee is a complex joint with multiple possible sites of injury. Are you referring to anterior cruciate ligaments, posterior cruciates, medial and lateral collateral ligaments, meniscus injuries, patella or patella tendon injuries, femur or tibial injuries, cartilage problems? All these are common knee complaints/injuries and they can all happen in many different ways.
Lastly, is the team over represented in terms of knee injuries? Or any injuries? That sounds horrifically anecdotal, because those sort of stats would take a long time to collate and there are a lot of clubs that have a lot of injuries year after year. Most fans would consider their own clubs unlucky injury wise, you know why? Because they pay sweet fuck all attention to what's going on elsewhere. If someone came to me and said that over the past 10 years the Warriors have a 50% higher rate of anterior cruciate rupture compared with every other club accounting for the wider squad, reserve grade, and NYC then I would say fine, let's ask why on earth that is. Noone even knows who or what they're asking, or to be more clear, they know so little they don't know who or what to ask. Hence drawing tenuous links between the only prominent medical name at the club and anecdotal feelings about injuries over an undefined period of time is amateur hour at it's best.
What he said. And he's a legit Doctor.
Should we change that stupid title. Warriors Sports Medicine? All things including staff in general...