Stylez Davis

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After the Roger Tuivasa-Sheck debacle on the weekend and several other season ending injuries to key players over the last few seasons I for one am starting to ask questions of the medical staff.

Is it the footy gods playing the warriors a rough hand or is there something else going on?

Is the Warriors strength and conditioning regime leaving players susceptible to injury?
 

Miket12

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A few years ago, Fish injured his knee during a game against the Storm at Mt Smart. He was taken on the field and examined. We had seats behind the reserves seats and could see him imploring the medical staff to let him back on - he even hopped on to the stationary bike to show he was okay. After some time, he went back on. The Storm, IIRC, won scoring a try when he got stepped around at FB because he didn't have sufficient lateral movement because of the injury. I remember him getting widely slammed straight after the game as not being tough enough.

Scans latter revealed he'd damaged his knee and required surgery - he didn't play FG again that year but had a couple of games at the end of the season with the NSWarriors.

Yes, the medical staff have the ability to keep players off the field but if the player themselves think they should carry on, that would need to be taken into account.

Can you imagine the uproar on this site if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was taken off and we lost the game only for it to be scanned and shown it was only a minor niggle which meant he could have carried on?
 

eudebrito

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Can you imagine the uproar on this site if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was taken off and we lost the game only for it to be scanned and shown it was only a minor niggle which meant he could have carried on?

Why do the fans need to know if it’s a minor niggle or not?

Sit him on the bench and tell everyone he will be assessed next week, what good comes of sending an impaired player back out?

I know NRL players play all the time with injury, but it seems inconsistent with the Isaac Luke one from before the storm game, hurts his knee, they sit him out, turns out its not that bad, and he’s back next week.

It’s one thing if its late in the game and you have no cover, but it wasn’t and they did.
 
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Makasene

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After the Roger Tuivasa-Sheck debacle on the weekend and several other season ending injuries to key players over the last few seasons I for one am starting to ask questions of the medical staff.

Is it the footy gods playing the warriors a rough hand or is there something else going on?

Is the Warriors strength and conditioning regime leaving players susceptible to injury?


This has to be the most stupid post I've ever read.
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
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We're all Hippocrates to some degree.

Most if not every person will have finished a shift at work after getting hurt or worse still....go to work with a suspected case of fiu and infect people lol.

The annoying thing about the Roger Tuivasa-Sheck injury for me is that the initial damage is a twisting injury. So it's not the typical knock, or impact Injury that you might be able to walk it off.

Twisting weight bearing joints followed by wincing and hobbling are two red flags to pause and take a closer look.

The question for me is....should there be a separate standard...a higher degree of precaution with your Super star player ?

This argument about the Warriors management of injury is a bit like the injury thing with the Nines, both sides can safely hide behind the unknown.

Where the Warriors pissed me off most is that they judged Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and Shaun Johnson as not fit to continue running around on the park...then they let them hobble off.

It's pretty easy to get a staff member either side of the player so that there is zero weight baring on the suspect injury.

No one expects the medicos to diagnose the problem on the field.

As you will keep hearing in media reports " Warriors will not know the full extent of the Injury until scans later today " so it is guess work folks...crude ole fashion guess work.

As for players refusing to come off the field....the Dr is all powerful in this dynamic.

The Doctor can say ' listen or find another Dr'
 

mrblonde

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Apr 14, 2012
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I think it's time we lined those f'in ACLs up and asked them what the actual f they think they're playing at!! Rupturing, tearing etc.

SACK 'EM ALL AND GET SOME TOUGH AUSSIE ACLS!!

Going out onto a rugby league field and either getting tackled by or tackling another 80kg+ monster leaves you susceptible to injury.

Actually, just walking on a rugby league field can be troublesome.
 

Deranged

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May 24, 2012
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A few years ago, Fish injured his knee during a game against the Storm at Mt Smart. He was taken on the field and examined. We had seats behind the reserves seats and could see him imploring the medical staff to let him back on - he even hopped on to the stationary bike to show he was okay. After some time, he went back on. The Storm, IIRC, won scoring a try when he got stepped around at FB because he didn't have sufficient lateral movement because of the injury. I remember him getting widely slammed straight after the game as not being tough enough.

Scans latter revealed he'd damaged his knee and required surgery - he didn't play FG again that year but had a couple of games at the end of the season with the NSWarriors.

Yes, the medical staff have the ability to keep players off the field but if the player themselves think they should carry on, that would need to be taken into account.

Can you imagine the uproar on this site if Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was taken off and we lost the game only for it to be scanned and shown it was only a minor niggle which meant he could have carried on?
This is not a place for calm reasoning. We are angry and frustrated that we have lost Roger Tuivasa-Sheck and as such someone must be punished. Unfortunately we won the game so can't blame the coach but hang on someone let him play on despite poor Roger Tuivasa-Sheck probably begging not to go back out. The doctors no doubt ignored Roger Tuivasa-Sheck's assurances he was unable to continue and helped him gingerly back onto the field.

Seriously though his knee was done before he went back out.
 
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Miket12

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Honestly, I don't think Doc Mayhew would have sent him back out if he'd thought there was that sort of damage plus I don't think Roger Tuivasa-Sheck would have wanted to go back out if he fully realized the extent of the injury.
 

DANZ

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Aug 3, 2013
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Out of curiosity, how many of the All Blacks get knee injuries during their campaigns? Or even for their super rugby clubs?

I do not watch much rugby but I cannot remember too many big headlines about knee injuries?

Can anyone enlighten me?
 

Stylez Davis

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Yeah I was hoping the same thing, and the title was merely taking the piss out of other similarly titled threads.

This is actually one of the most retarded threads I've seen in the history of this site.
Yes I was taking the piss with the title, and just wanted to vent a bit because I'm pissed that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck went down, it's becoming a bit of theme with the warriors lately, we must have one of the worst injury records of any club over the last 3-4 seasons.
Also pretty stoked to get the most retarded thread in history that's quite an effort
 

Miket12

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Out of curiosity, how many of the All Blacks get knee injuries during their campaigns? Or even for their super rugby clubs?

I do not watch much rugby but I cannot remember too many big headlines about knee injuries?

Can anyone enlighten me?
One of the worst I can recall would have happened to Michael Jones, a guy who, IMHO, had fitness levels that would leave most of today's league and union players behind even though most of his career was before Union turned professional.

A quick Google search says Aaron Cruden from last year.
 
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DANZ

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One of the worst I can recall would have happened to Michael Jones, a guy who, IMHO, had fitness levels that would leave most league and union players behind even though most of his career was before Union turned professional.

Thanks for the insight - how about in the last decade?
 
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eudebrito

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Out of curiosity, how many of the All Blacks get knee injuries during their campaigns? Or even for their super rugby clubs?

I do not watch much rugby but I cannot remember too many big headlines about knee injuries?

Can anyone enlighten me?

Ironically Rene Ranger had a season ending ACL on the weekend too for the blues.

Aaron Cruden had the same thing last year, it happens, probably hear less about them as there is always someone else good enough to take the spot.
 
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DANZ

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Aug 3, 2013
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Ironically Rene Ranger had a season ending ACL on the weekend too for the blues.

Aaron Cruden had the same thing last year, it happens, probably hear less about them as there is always someone else good enough to take the spot.

Yeah I was thinking as such.

It just seems the Warriors have had a really bad run in the past 2 - 3 years.

Definitely an area for anyone in the medical field to look into.
 

Miket12

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Apr 20, 2012
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Thanks for the insight - how about in the last decade?
Jerome Kaino got his first game for the Blues when he was called in to replace 2005 All Black Angus MacDonald.

Corey Jane in 2013.

A site KneeGuru has a forum where someone says that up to 6 of the 2005 All Blacks were reported to have had ACL surgery during their careers - how accurate that is, I wouldn't know.
 

eudebrito

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Yeah I was thinking as such.

It just seems the Warriors have had a really bad run in the past 2 - 3 years.

Definitely an area for anyone in the medical field to look into.

The Ngani Laumape one was frustrating, he’s got a niggle, should be back soon, oh wait, he’s out for the season.

I get really jealous of the cowboys and broncos and their seemingly injury free march to another grand final, trotting out the same 17 or 18 players.
We are up to 24 players used on the season, and had something like 30 used last year.
 

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