General Warriors 2015 Stats

[mt.wellington]

So we all know the key stat is that the Warriors are 2-3 and are looking like a real rocks and diamonds team this year. One moment the attack looks promising only for the ball to be dropped. So I investigated the stats to see what the situation is and how we compare to others in the league.
It is not pretty reading. The Warriors have the worst completion rate in the comp.
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A full 10% worse than the Cowboys. We are basically equals with the Titans in terms of ball security and you have to really ask why is that? How did we become so bad? We all talk about our talent and our promise, but still we keep throwing the ball away.
Obviously the completion rate means that our error rate is high. And you guessed it folks. We have the highest error rate in the comp.
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We've made 20 more errors than our opponents this week and nearly 10 more than the second worst teams. Interesting to see the Rabbits are second last with errors but still win. If we had made even 2 less errors a game we would have the same ball security as the bunnies, maybe our talent could have got us home?
This does not make pretty reading. We are the outlier in terms of security and respect for the ball.
So I wondered is this unusual to start the season so bad? Do we normally have such poor handling when we start a season.

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Yes we do start the season poorly, or at least we have the last few years. (Thanks to Mt. Wellington for his stat work in previous years). But we are making nearly 3 more errors a game, which is obviously a big problem.

But not all hope is lost. Because one area where we have improved is in our running of the ball. Cappy has the boys running with more intent this year (and possibly it is the new rules that are allowing longer runs and more breaks) but the boys are making more meters and are 7th in the league for meters gained per carry.
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So there is some kind of an upside. We are running more often and are gaining more ground compared to previous years. But despite being 4th in the league for total runs and 5th in the league for meters gained we are dead last for completions and errors.
Unless we can hold the ball we stand no chance of making the 8.

Awesome work stacky18. Love breakdowns.

Seems to confirm to me what most have mentioned already. The forwards are making the yards and laying the ground work but the backs arent holding onto the ball and utilising that gain. Something seriously needs to be done about that cause it will cause a division in the team soon. You have the props bashing it up and the second rowers tackling their asses off but for what?

Time for an ass kicking IMO...

 

[Jay M]

Time for an ass kicking IMO...

only one question... whose ass is going to get kicked... the warriors, or the tigers?

I get the feeling the boys might have a blinder this weekend for Manu's 200th...

 

[jonno]

Try scoring stats vs the Tigers

Our right edge had it's best game of the year so far scoring three tries, but still letting in three tries.

PS: I counted the Lolohea try under the posts as a right edge try because the defense was broken by Shaun Johnson and Hurrel out on the right...

The right edge is now 5 tries for, & 9 tries against, in 2015, up from a terrible 2 & 6 before the game.

Our left edge and center won us the game with 2 & 1, and 1 & 0 tries respectively...

The left edge is 12 & 8 thus far, and the center has just edged ahead to be 5 & 4.

The three games we've won have been games where the left edge scored more tries than they let in, (3 & 0 v the raiders, 4 & 0 v the eels being the other two wins) with the other three being try negative for Maun and co...

The right has yet to win this stat this year, with three draws in games 1, 4 & 6, and the center has only won it over the last two games.

So anyone who doubts Manu's importance on the final results of our games need only look at how well we go when his edge scores more tries than they concede. In other words, when his edge attacks and defends well, we win...

 

[Jay M]

Try scoring stats vs the Tigers

Our right edge had it's best game of the year so far scoring three tries, but still letting in three tries.

PS: I counted the Lolohea try under the posts as a right edge try because the defense was broken by Shaun Johnson and Hurrel out on the right...

The right edge is now 5 tries for, & 9 tries against, in 2015, up from a terrible 2 & 6 before the game.

Our left edge and center won us the game with 2 & 1, and 1 & 0 tries respectively...

The left edge is 12 & 8 thus far, and the center has just edged ahead to be 5 & 4.

The three games we've won have been games where the left edge scored more tries than they let in, (3 & 0 v the raiders, 4 & 0 v the eels being the other two wins) with the other three being try negative for Maun and co...

The right has yet to win this stat this year, with three draws in games 1, 4 & 6, and the center has only won it over the last two games.

So anyone who doubts Manu's importance on the final results of our games need only look at how well we go when his edge scores more tries than they concede. In other words, when his edge attacks and defends well, we win...

You mean the edge with the Chad, the Hoff and Kata on? (Chad who is in career best form, Hoff who scored 3 tries in his first 3 games in the warriors jersey, and Kata who also has 4 tries out there?). No doubt Manu has contributed with his tries as well. But it's not just Manu holding up that edge.

Are you getting on the Chad train? I think Inruin still has a few empty seats to fill

 

[Inruin]

You mean the edge with the Chad, the Hoff and Kata on? (Chad who is in career best form, Hoff who scored 3 tries in his first 3 games in the warriors jersey, and Kata who also has 4 tries out there?). No doubt Manu has contributed with his tries as well. But it's not just Manu holding up that edge.

Are you getting on the Chad train? I think Inruin still has a few empty seats to fill

Still a few seats left but filling fast. I note the 'Chad is MUD' and "Chad is depth only' and 'Chad will be in NSW cup after a couple of games' comments have strangely dried up.

He still has some improving to do but he is going well.

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

Still a few seats left but filling fast. I note the 'Chad is MUD' and "Chad is depth only' and 'Chad will be in NSW cup after a couple of games' comments have strangely dried up.

He still has some improving to do but he is going well.

Time for a "Chad's Residual Value" thread? Or a "Chad to the Forwards" one perhaps.

 

[Inruin]

Time for a "Chad's Residual Value" thread? Or a "Chad to the Forwards" one perhaps.

Chad to Hooker has been suggested previously.....

 

[wallacenz]

Time for a "Chad's Residual Value" thread? Or a "Chad to the Forwards" one perhaps.

To be fair to 'Manu to the forwards' people like myself, our forwards were not performing like they are this year. Matulino is amazing this year, and Vete and Lisone have hit the ground running. Manu isn't hitting the ball up twice every set this year so far.

 

[Jay M]

Chad to Hooker has been suggested previously.....

a hooker with a kicking game? sign me up for getting on board!

 

[jonno]

a hooker with a kicking game? sign me up for getting on board!

Chad to hooker. It has a nice ring to it...

If his form slumps then it's most likely because he's playing out of position at 5/8th.

 

[Inruin]

Chad to hooker. It has a nice ring to it...

If his form slumps then it's most likely because he's playing out of position at 5/8th.

Thomas would get even crazier eyes with paranoia that Chad keeps taking his spot

 

[wallacenz]

Im sure if Townsend keeps going like he is some Sydney team will encourage him to go home and poach him to play in the halves, like Maloney

 

[jonno]

You mean the edge with the Chad, the Hoff and Kata on? (Chad who is in career best form, Hoff who scored 3 tries in his first 3 games in the warriors jersey, and Kata who also has 4 tries out there?). No doubt Manu has contributed with his tries as well. But it's not just Manu holding up that edge.

Are you getting on the Chad train? I think Inruin still has a few empty seats to fill

I'm compiling this stat to throw some light on Manu and his try scoring contributions. He cops a lot of flack when he lets tries go through and is defended vigorously at the same time. So I just want to see how his edge stacks up and if it's letting in more points than it scores. But it's impossible to say it's all Manus fault so I have to include Kata and Hoffman in the stat to get a proper picture of what's going on out there over the course of the season.

So far Manu is doing the business for the club.. And it's actually the right edge that's been letting us down. I reckon if we go back a couple of years we'd see the same problem over and over.

So, based on this analysis, I believe our No.1 priority right now should be to fix up that right edge defense... That's where we're going to get the most gains in terms of championship points IMO.

 

[¿N. ig-mah¿]

To be fair to 'Manu to the forwards' people like myself, our forwards were not performing like they are this year. Matulino is amazing this year, and Vete and Lisone have hit the ground running. Manu isn't hitting the ball up twice every set this year so far.

But Chad probably could.

 

[jonno]

The bull is back people... 16 runs for 158 meters (rounded average 10 meters), 31 tackles, 1 1on1 tackle, 0 missed tackles, 0 errors, 0 penalties... Outstanding.
Mutts ...............................16 runs for 137 meters, 29 tackles, 1 missed, 1 tackle break, 2 offloads and 1 error. Another quality game.
Hoff..................................21 runs for 167 meters, 14 tackles, 1 1on1, 1 missed, 1 tackle break, 1 offload, 2 errors and 1 penalty. The guys a machine.
Thompson........................12 runs for 100 meters, 28 tackles, 1 1on 1, 2 missed, 1 tackle break.

That's 4 forwards in the hundy meter club... Great stuff...

Mannering....................... 9 runs for 84 meters, 49 tackles, 2 1on1, 1 missed. Only just missing out on the half century.

 

[Jay M]

I'm compiling this stat to throw some light on Manu and his try scoring contributions. He cops a lot of flack when he lets tries go through and is defended vigorously at the same time. So I just want to see how his edge stacks up and if it's letting in more points than it scores. But it's impossible to say it's all Manus fault so I have to include Kata and Hoffman in the stat to get a proper picture of what's going on out there over the course of the season.

So far Manu is doing the business for the club.. And it's actually the right edge that's been letting us down. I reckon if we go back a couple of years we'd see the same problem over and over.

So, based on this analysis, I believe our No.1 priority right now should be to fix up that right edge defense... That's where we're going to get the most gains in terms of championship points IMO.

I've never doubted his try scoring contributions. the defence on the left edge in the last 3-4 years has been a bit shaky though, but last season it came right with Benry and Laumape at left centre.

The stat I would love to see, but no idea if it's collated anywhere, would be Manu's errors over 200 games. Does he average more or less than one error per game?

In terms of your analysis - something that might also add value to the contributions might be errors made by the right edge and the left edge, and if they're made in our half or the oppositions? (not aimed at picking on Manu here, Kata has a few errors to his name as well, so do Shaun Johnson, Wright and Hurrell). but if (for example) a try is scored down the left edge because of an error made in our own 20 by the right edge... should that really be counted against the left edge defence?

tough one.

 

[jonno]

Manu had a high quality game for his two hundyith....

12 runs for 111 meters, 4 tackles, 2 1on1, 0 missed, 4 tackle breaks, 1 offload, 2 line breaks, 1 line break assist, 2 errors, 1 penalty, 2 tries (with one that only Manu can score).

 

[jonno]

I've never doubted his try scoring contributions. the defence on the left edge in the last 3-4 years has been a bit shaky though, but last season it came right with Benry and Laumape at left centre.

The stat I would love to see, but no idea if it's collated anywhere, would be Manu's errors over 200 games. Does he average more or less than one error per game?

In terms of your analysis - something that might also add value to the contributions might be errors made by the right edge and the left edge, and if they're made in our half or the oppositions? (not aimed at picking on Manu here, Kata has a few errors to his name as well, so do Shaun Johnson, Wright and Hurrell). but if (for example) a try is scored down the left edge because of an error made in our own 20 by the right edge... should that really be counted against the left edge defence?

tough one.

Year it's real hard to compile stats like that over 200 games. Them's some serious hours of trainspotting right there... But I'd say he averages more than 1 error a game.

This season alone he's got 14 errors to his name after 6 games... Probably a third of those errors are due to unfetchable passes tho... as his marker defense is always trying to be swarming up all over him and his center (and for good reason). And it's worth while pushing some dodgy passes in the hope they stick cause he's the one guy who can get over the line better than anyone...

Also he's catching the high ball under pressure a lot, so that's going to be a source of errors as well. The 'error free game from Manu' stat would be fairly small I think... But he overcomes this with his awesomeness (when he's on).

One things for sure, when he has a quality game, like he did last night, we're much tougher to beat... But you could say that about any number of players.

 

[Lord Gnome of Howick MBE]

You mean the edge with the Chad, the Hoff and Kata on? (Chad who is in career best form, Hoff who scored 3 tries in his first 3 games in the warriors jersey, and Kata who also has 4 tries out there?). No doubt Manu has contributed with his tries as well. But it's not just Manu holding up that edge.

Are you getting on the Chad train? I think Inruin still has a few empty seats to fill

Manu seems to get the blame when tries are leaked down that side, so it's only fair that he gets the credit for when tries are scored.

 

[mt.wellington]

Sorry for the delay guys. Been working away from home. Also makes it hard to do when the stats are so depressing as they are with this game. Will have them all up to date next weekend...

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