General Warriors 2014 Stats

Inruin

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It's only one metric that gives a piece of the story. His tackle stats were great for that game. As was his work rate.

And when you consider that we've only won one game this season with a combined team negative score (-1 v the panthers), it's pretty important that our players try to keep themselves in the positive as best they can IMO...

One less shit pass from any of our players and we might have won that game...
then perhaps a team metric might be more accurate rather than an individual player one. Matulino went missing most of the game, Shaun Johnson had a shocker and Fusitua was not better than Manu.
 
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then perhaps a team metric might be more accurate rather than an individual player one. Matulino went missing most of the game, Shaun Johnson had a shocker and Fusitua was not better than Manu.
Like I say it's just one aspect of the game. No single stat tells the whole story. If you look at Matulino's minutes he played for 80 mins. He's probably a 50 minute player, so with the extra time he spends on the field he has to hold back.

Shaun Johnson made some major blues, but he also made 8 tackle breaks, which contributed to our scoring 5 trys...

And Fusitua on attack was pretty awesome, scoring 2 tries to Manus one even. But in the other stats Manu beat him hands down. Run meters was Manus by a long way...

Even the defensive stats Manu defended at 50% while Fusitua defended at 40%
 

Inruin

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Like I say it's just one aspect of the game. No single stat tells the whole story. If you look at Matulino's minutes he played for 80 mins. He's probably a 50 minute player, so with the extra time he spends on the field he has to hold back.

Shaun Johnson made some major blues, but he also made 8 tackle breaks, which contributed to our scoring 5 trys...

And Fusitua on attack was pretty awesome, scoring 2 tries to Manus one even. But in the other stats Manu beat him hands down. Run meters was Manus by a long way...

Even the defensive stats Manu defended at 50% while Fusitua defended at 40%
both Manu and Fusitua scored two tries. To suggest Fusitua was pretty awesome on attack is a stretch.
For a stat that is labeled player quality it doesn't seem to be representative of the label.
 

mt.wellington

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It's only one metric that gives a piece of the story. His tackle stats were great for that game. As was his work rate.

And when you consider that we've only won one game this season with a combined team negative score (-1 v the panthers), it's pretty important that our players try to keep themselves in the positive as best they can IMO...

One less shit pass from any of our players and we might have won that game...
There in lies the fundamental problem with arranging any stats with only a small amount of data. Biggest problem is that we just dont have access to enough different stat categories to gain a fair picture of a players overall input. Stats like the leg drive one I posted a pic of. Or slow play the ball (both for and against), off ball metres, dominant tackles, support runs, passes, dummies, etc.

One way of improving the result of your graph is basing it off averages per minute. A lot of work though but you already it for metres.

Anyway, enjoy the contributions...
 
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both Manu and Fusitua scored two tries. To suggest Fusitua was pretty awesome on attack is a stretch.
For a stat that is labeled player quality it doesn't seem to be representative of the label.
Sorry

Fusitua had 3 tackle breaks, 1 off load, 2 line breaks and 2 trys.
Manu had 2 tackle breaks, 1 line break and 2 trys.
Those are good positive stats for our wingers and they should have got us over the line.

But 40% and 50% tackle rates for our wingers is asking for trouble.
 
There in lies the fundamental problem with arranging any stats with only a small amount of data. Biggest problem is that we just dont have access to enough different stat categories to gain a fair picture of a players overall input. Stats like the leg drive one I posted a pic of. Or slow play the ball (both for and against), off ball metres, dominant tackles, support runs, passes, dummies, etc.

One way of improving the result of your graph is basing it off averages per minute. A lot of work though but you already it for metres.

Anyway, enjoy the contributions...
It's a work in progress, using the very limited numbers that we are given. I think the main benefit is to look at the stats as they change from game to game. We can see who's consistent through out the season, and who shows up one week and then clocks off the next...

Tomkins is our most consistent in the player quality stat, with only one game in the negative (v the sharkes in round 5)...

Maybe I should rename it the positives v negatives stat.
 
There in lies the fundamental problem with arranging any stats with only a small amount of data. Biggest problem is that we just dont have access to enough different stat categories to gain a fair picture of a players overall input. Stats like the leg drive one I posted a pic of. Or slow play the ball (both for and against), off ball metres, dominant tackles, support runs, passes, dummies, etc.

One way of improving the result of your graph is basing it off averages per minute. A lot of work though but you already it for metres.

Anyway, enjoy the contributions...
Plays per minute:

Positive plays is total runs, tackles, 1 on 1's, try assists, tackle breaks, offloads, line breaks, line break assists, and trys, all divided by minutes played.

And negative plays is missed tackles, ineffective tackles, errors and penalties, all divided by minutes played.

The goal for a player is to have the biggest bar on the positive chart and the smallest on the negative chart.

The backs have less positive plays per minute in this stat on average, as they usually make a lot less tackles, so they need to be measured differently than the forwards.

V the Knights: Round 23
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V the Eels: Round 18
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mt.wellington

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ROUND 23
NRL

Not hard to see where the wheels fell off. Despite having the better possession (53% vs 47%) we only utilised 88% of that vs the Knights 95%. Same pattern emerges with our dismal set completion stat (79% vs 90%). Other stat that is telling is the 9 extra offloads that the Knights made. This has a direct correlation with another stat we got hammered by, ineffective tackles. 21 more then the opposition! All that and we actually made 41 less tackles so as a percentage of overall tackles we really did drop the ball there.

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For the third week running the right edge has been letting in more tries then they have been scoring. Without Konrad Hurrell this trend has gotten much worse. This weeks combo of Ben Henry and David Fusitua was a huge failure with 80% of our points coming down that side.

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For the first since Round 12 we were scored against in the first 10 minute period. Funnily enough it was also against the Knights. Before then the last time was Round 5 against the Sharks. Matt Elliott's final stand. Also the first time since Round 15 we havent scored ourselves in the first 10 minutes and the first time we havent scored in the first half an hour since Round 7 against the Dragons.
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Those prozone stats are pretty comprehensive. First time I've seen them.

John Palavi v. the Knights, NSWarriors game: 37 tackles, 0 ineffective, 0 missed. Impressive!
 
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mt.wellington

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Been pretty unmotivated to break this season down but have been doing some of it. Will slowly bring you the breakdown and doing a few comparisons with our players against each other and the best of the NRL. Also be comparing their progress from last season.

Dont forget the Stat tab above to do your own analyses...

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mt.wellington

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Five players played all 24 games this season. That compares with four from last year (Thomas Leuluai, Feleti Mateo, Ben Matulino and Shaun Johnson). No player played every minute of the season (1920 minutes)...

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