Sup42
Other than good tackle coverage ( I'm not underrating that ) both players are fairly easily caught ona a hit up , they seem like rangey dudes who are slow from a standing start , Taylor gets Try's of course when he hits the line at pace.
Peroux waddles like a a duck as well , not as excited as many having him on the bench now that Konrad is possibly a better tackler than him and Neilson these days.
Pump up the Volume , I'm in the Scound Row Props camp.
Paleaaesina2the20
Yea me to, although I prefer playing a prop at lock rather out on the fringe in the 11 or 12 like some are asking of Matulino.
Jay M
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depends on the prop though... some props (like Mutts IMO) aren't suited to the 13 jersey. I feel he'd be wasted making all those tackles in the middle. I'd much rather see him running wide trampling centres and halfbacks
(Mutts started his career as a wide running back-rower...)Props like Lillyman - would be suited to the lock position, Rapira and Packer would probably suit it as well. I just feel Mutts' best back row position is on the edge where he can bully people...
Paleaaesina2the20
Lillyman and Matagi were the two guys I had in mind.depends on the prop though... some props (like Mutts IMO) aren't suited to the 13 jersey. I feel he'd be wasted making all those tackles in the middle. I'd much rather see him running wide trampling centres and halfbacks
Props like Lillyman - would be suited to the lock position, Rapira and Packer would probably suit it as well. I just feel Mutts' best back row position is on the edge where he can bully people...
mt.wellington
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Only Lowrie surprises me with the amount of game time he's had.
Peyroux has only averaged 17 minutes over 5 games and only comes on to act as a fresh tacklebot IMO.
Taylors stats are skewed by his stint at hooker where he was just a passer (same game plan for as Friend pre-Panthers game I think) and getting subbed by Godinet. Then when friend came back he was on the bench. Since he has been playing lock and for 80 minutes he has averaged 79.4 metres (excluding last Rabbitohs game). I believe thats a fairer indication of what he can bring...
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Looking at the numbers
Richard Becht
Monday 8 July 2013 12:14 PM
Vodafone Warriors centre Konrad Hurrell scores his eighth try of the season against South Sydney on Sunday. Copyright photo: Photosport
South Sydney had the numbers that mattered most – the score-line of 30-13 – but the Vodafone Warriors didn’t want for significant statistical contributors in Sunday night’s high-quality 17th-round NRL match at nib Stadium in Perth.
Each of the Vodafone Warriors’ back five cracked 100 metres while five forwards made 32 tackles or more with hooker Nathan Friend producing a game-high 60.
Centre Konrad Hurrell mixed his trademark brand of powerhouse attack with yet another strong defensive performance, as he has done in each of his last three outings.
After making 191 metres against the Roosters and 247 metres against Brisbane, Hurrell maintained his high standards with 144 metres from 14 runs as well as seven tackle breaks, a line break and a try against the Bunnies.
As happened in each of the previous two matches, Hurrell was a target on defence but again stood up to the challenge impressively making 22 tackles and missing only one; against the Roosters he made 18 tackles and missed two while against the Broncos he made 18 tackles and had no misses.
The best defensive numbers against South Sydney were produced by Todd Lowrie (32 tackles) and Ben Matulino (28), who each had no misses and no ineffective tackles, while captain Simon Mannering finished with 33 tackles with one miss and one ineffective tackle. Friend’s total of 60 tackles in an 80-minute effort was followed by Elijah Taylor with 43 in 73 minutes and Jacob Lillyman with 38 in 53 minutes.
A run through key team indicators revealed there wasn't a lot between the teams on a number of measures. South Sydney had a 79 per cent completion rate (30/38) compared to the Vodafone Warriors’ 73 per cent (27/37); Souths made 1494 metres from 164 runs, the Vodafone Warriors 1440 from 159; the line breaks favoured the Vodafone Warriors 4-2; South Sydney made 330 tackles, the Vodafone Warriors 344 and the missed tackles count read 20-30 in South Sydney’s favour.
However, the stats in the second half were a reflection of the Rabbitohs' 24-point effort. They completed 16 of 21 sets, the Vodafone Warriors only 10 of 16; they dominated metres gained with 906 from 99 runs compared to the Vodafone Warriors’ 560 from 64 runs; they missed only seven tackles, the Vodafone Warriors 19. South Sydney was also able to benefit from a significant edge in play the ball speed with 21 fast play the balls to the Vodafone Warriors’ nine.
Individually South Sydney had the two most dominant ground gainers among all players in the game, prop George Burgess with 186 metres from 20 runs and loose forward Sam Burgess with 163 from 16. No other forward on either side topped 100 metres.
The Vodafone Warriors’ leading individual numbers were:
Most runs: 15 – Dane Nielsen; 14 – Konrad Hurrell, Kevin Locke; 13 – Ngani Laumape; 12 – Jacob Lillyman; 11 – Feleti Mateo, Charlie Gubb; 10 – Ben Matulino, Sam Rapira, Simon Mannering, Elijah Taylor.
Most metres: 155 – Glen Fisiiahi; 144 – Konrad Hurrell; 132 – Ngani Laumape; 127 – Dane Nielsen; 109 – Kevin Locke; 98 – Jacob Lillyman; 94 – Ben Matulino; 90 – Feleti Mateo; 89 – Sam Rapira; 86 – Charlie Gubb; 84 – Thomas Leuluai; 80 – Simon Mannering.
Most tackle breaks: 7 – Konrad Hurrell; 4 – Thomas Leuluai; 3 – Glen Fisiiahi.
Most tackles: 60 – Nathan Friend; 43 – Elijah Taylor; 38 – Jacob Lillyman; 33 – Simon Mannering; 32 – Todd Lowrie; 28 – Ben Matulino.
Fewest missed tackles: 0 – Todd Lowrie, Ben Matulino, Dane Nielsen, Shaun Johnson; 1 – Simon Mannering, Konrad Hurrell, Charlie Gubb, Ngani Laumape.
https://www.warriors.co.nz/news-display/Looking-at-the-numbers/78977
Richard Becht
Monday 8 July 2013 12:14 PM
Vodafone Warriors centre Konrad Hurrell scores his eighth try of the season against South Sydney on Sunday. Copyright photo: Photosport
South Sydney had the numbers that mattered most – the score-line of 30-13 – but the Vodafone Warriors didn’t want for significant statistical contributors in Sunday night’s high-quality 17th-round NRL match at nib Stadium in Perth.
Each of the Vodafone Warriors’ back five cracked 100 metres while five forwards made 32 tackles or more with hooker Nathan Friend producing a game-high 60.
Centre Konrad Hurrell mixed his trademark brand of powerhouse attack with yet another strong defensive performance, as he has done in each of his last three outings.
After making 191 metres against the Roosters and 247 metres against Brisbane, Hurrell maintained his high standards with 144 metres from 14 runs as well as seven tackle breaks, a line break and a try against the Bunnies.
As happened in each of the previous two matches, Hurrell was a target on defence but again stood up to the challenge impressively making 22 tackles and missing only one; against the Roosters he made 18 tackles and missed two while against the Broncos he made 18 tackles and had no misses.
The best defensive numbers against South Sydney were produced by Todd Lowrie (32 tackles) and Ben Matulino (28), who each had no misses and no ineffective tackles, while captain Simon Mannering finished with 33 tackles with one miss and one ineffective tackle. Friend’s total of 60 tackles in an 80-minute effort was followed by Elijah Taylor with 43 in 73 minutes and Jacob Lillyman with 38 in 53 minutes.
A run through key team indicators revealed there wasn't a lot between the teams on a number of measures. South Sydney had a 79 per cent completion rate (30/38) compared to the Vodafone Warriors’ 73 per cent (27/37); Souths made 1494 metres from 164 runs, the Vodafone Warriors 1440 from 159; the line breaks favoured the Vodafone Warriors 4-2; South Sydney made 330 tackles, the Vodafone Warriors 344 and the missed tackles count read 20-30 in South Sydney’s favour.
However, the stats in the second half were a reflection of the Rabbitohs' 24-point effort. They completed 16 of 21 sets, the Vodafone Warriors only 10 of 16; they dominated metres gained with 906 from 99 runs compared to the Vodafone Warriors’ 560 from 64 runs; they missed only seven tackles, the Vodafone Warriors 19. South Sydney was also able to benefit from a significant edge in play the ball speed with 21 fast play the balls to the Vodafone Warriors’ nine.
Individually South Sydney had the two most dominant ground gainers among all players in the game, prop George Burgess with 186 metres from 20 runs and loose forward Sam Burgess with 163 from 16. No other forward on either side topped 100 metres.
The Vodafone Warriors’ leading individual numbers were:
Most runs: 15 – Dane Nielsen; 14 – Konrad Hurrell, Kevin Locke; 13 – Ngani Laumape; 12 – Jacob Lillyman; 11 – Feleti Mateo, Charlie Gubb; 10 – Ben Matulino, Sam Rapira, Simon Mannering, Elijah Taylor.
Most metres: 155 – Glen Fisiiahi; 144 – Konrad Hurrell; 132 – Ngani Laumape; 127 – Dane Nielsen; 109 – Kevin Locke; 98 – Jacob Lillyman; 94 – Ben Matulino; 90 – Feleti Mateo; 89 – Sam Rapira; 86 – Charlie Gubb; 84 – Thomas Leuluai; 80 – Simon Mannering.
Most tackle breaks: 7 – Konrad Hurrell; 4 – Thomas Leuluai; 3 – Glen Fisiiahi.
Most tackles: 60 – Nathan Friend; 43 – Elijah Taylor; 38 – Jacob Lillyman; 33 – Simon Mannering; 32 – Todd Lowrie; 28 – Ben Matulino.
Fewest missed tackles: 0 – Todd Lowrie, Ben Matulino, Dane Nielsen, Shaun Johnson; 1 – Simon Mannering, Konrad Hurrell, Charlie Gubb, Ngani Laumape.
https://www.warriors.co.nz/news-display/Looking-at-the-numbers/78977
Jay M
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Hitman82
Jay M
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got to give some credit to Souths though - they were very good in the second half... we gave them opportunities, but they were good enough to take them... Most teams in the comp aren't as good at Souths as punishing opponents...
Hitman82
Our last tackle options and individual errors were the difference really. We utterly failed to secure any territory (now I want to listen to Sepultura: War For Territory) and South's Panzer Division Burgess trampled us into the dust.
On the end of the territory and possession we handed Souths, we did extremely well to defend as long as we did. The outcome was inevitable.
Individual failings and errors ayo. Same as early in the season. Also getting bullied by a bigger, meaner team - same as earlier in the season.
When our forwards are performing at their peak, we can compete with MOST teams in the NRL.
When they're running at 70% any opposition will win the forward battle... and even with our forwards going hard there are a couple of teams who are just straight up better.
Bulldogs, Souths, Manly and I'm sure a couple of other teams.
Guys like Lillyman etc are great players but they are limited in their physical attributes and skillset. You need a variety to compete, and a variety to be up there with the best. You got it... we lack the IMPACT FORWARD.
Hitman82
In fact, I'd go so far as to say we have the best workman props in the comp - but that's all they are. If we had a very high quality impact forward for the front and/or second row, we would actually have the best pack as a whole.
Matulino could be this for the second row. Then we just need one massive angry bastard for the front row.
Matulino could be this for the second row. Then we just need one massive angry bastard for the front row.
Jay M
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mt.wellington
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South Sydney Rabbitohs vs New Zealand Warriors, NIB Stadium, Perth - Round 17 - Sunday 7th July 2013
mt.wellington
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As posted on the post match thread for this game, it was truly a game of two halves. Warriors got the upper hand in the first half but the Rabbits came out of the sheds at full throttle and pretty much didnt take their foot off for the whole 2nd half. This is well represented in the stats below.
Whilst we had good possession in the 1st half with few errors and a few repeat sets we only had one repeat set in the 2nd half right at the start then we were lucky to see the ball after that. Incomplete sets and errors kept us on the backfoot and coupled with the extra 350 metres the Bunnies were making as well as the extra 60 tackles we were having to make and its not hard to see why our boys ran out of juice. Surprising that Elliott didnt utilise Peyroux?
Another concerning stat is how the Bunnies were able to dominate us in the tackle and how little we were able to be dominate them. This isnt a new problem either. Is Jennings wrestling techniques working? Maybe just my imagination but it seems to me that the Warriors are getting off players a little faster as well. Maybe following Elliotts 'we wont play victims' to the refs strategy???
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Far out that's impressive mt Wellington. Love the props one. Wouldnt mind seeing a fish / Locke comparison only using the games fish played at fullback- not including his wing stats
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