General Warriors 2013 Stats

mt.wellington

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Following stats I compiled myself. Not sure how they get their stats. Only counted tackles where a player actually contributed to the tackle and not just rest his hand on a tackled player or graze his elbow. Effective tackles are where the tackle stopped play and didnt result in a 2nd phase. Metres gained is a contentious one and I could only use my judgement based on the 10 metre marks and my experiance in trade work.

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TA Try assists LB Line break LBA Line break assist TB Tackle breaks OFF Offloads HIT Hitups
MG Metres gained TK Tackles MTK Missed tackles EFF Effective tackles ERR Errors PEN Penalties

I plan to put up all the Warriors stats for the season but will rely on officials sites for the regular season games. Stats get wiped from sites at the end of every season so it'll be good to have a reference point for Warriors stats. Any help in compiling stats will be most welcome.

If you are going to post stats from games can you please wait a couple days as they ALWAYS go back and revise them, always!!!
 
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Ryan

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Did you compile the above stats yourself, or are they sourced from a third party?

Edit: Re-read your post, which answers my question. I am amazed that you have the perseverance to sit through and painstakingly record all that data?

On another note, if you (or anyone else reading this) didn't already know, the NRL employ a third party (https://www.sportsdata.com.au/) as their official statisticians. As far as I can tell, Sport Data's business model treats their NRL stats as "secret" and "proprietary" data, which is terrible for NRL stats fans. I simply cannot understand why the NRL choose to run it this way (I don't exactly blame Sports Data, but I have no love for them either - they could just release the data under a Creative Commons license and make only businesses pay).
 
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Lowrie cracks the magic 100m mark on his first outing for the club! Look at Matulino's stats that boy is going to have a huge season IMO
 
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mt.wellington

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Did you compile the above stats yourself, or are they sourced from a third party?

Edit: Re-read your post, which answers my question. I am amazed that you have the perseverance to sit through and painstakingly record all that data?

On another note, if you (or anyone else reading this) didn't already know, the NRL employ a third party (https://www.sportsdata.com.au/) as their official statisticians. As far as I can tell, Sport Data's business model treats their NRL stats as "secret" and "proprietary" data, which is terrible for NRL stats fans. I simply cannot understand why the NRL choose to run it this way (I don't exactly blame Sports Data, but I have no love for them either - they could just release the data under a Creative Commons license and make only businesses pay).
Use to use sportsdata all the time but when I went there just last month it wanted a username and password. That was new to me. Theres another site that is somehow connected to sportsdata but its not as detailed in its stats. Theres an NRL site that Miket12 Miket12 showed me but Ive forgotten it. This is the site I plan on using:

https://thescore.com.au/nrl/

They have stats up for the All Stars, Charity Shield and WCC up if anyones interested. Will start an NRL stat thread but it will be time consuming and Im not sure I'll be able to capture all the screen shots needed...
 
Good to see both starting props cracking 100m, they didnt play a huge amount of minutes either. Hopelly sammy raps can still fit cause if played like that in his 1st game back for ages, id love to see him after the full season!

Also good to see Hurrell not missing tackles.
 

Ryan

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Good tip, thanks.

Regarding Sports Data (nrlstats.com), I just checked in a week or so ago, after a good 8 months or so of not using their site, only to discover the same (user credentials required). Anyhow, I had a look at Nrlstats.com Twitter feed and according to that, Nrlstats.com is still free for "personal" use, so I'm going to email them and ask about the "login" message.

The thing that continues to bother me is "inaccessable" historical stats, and all the other goodies Nrlstats.com are sitting on (that they closed off to the public a couple of years ago). I actually had access to these "closed" stats for a while longer than most others after some mysterious individual PM'd me, unsolicited, on the old version of this forum granting me access. However, after recently checking that "private" site, I discovered I have lost access to that too.
 

mt.wellington

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Good tip, thanks.

Regarding Sports Data (nrlstats.com), I just checked in a week or so ago, after a good 8 months or so of not using their site, only to discover the same (user credentials required). Anyhow, I had a look at Nrlstats.com Twitter feed and according to that, Nrlstats.com is still free for "personal" use, so I'm going to email them and ask about the "login" message.

The thing that continues to bother me is "inaccessable" historical stats, and all the other goodies Nrlstats.com are sitting on (that they closed off to the public a couple of years ago). I actually had access to these "closed" stats for a while longer than most others after some mysterious individual PM'd me, unsolicited, on the old version of this forum granting me access. However, after recently checking that "private" site, I discovered I have lost access to that too.

Thats the main reason Im keen on this thread. These stats will take on a different dimension after 5 years when looking back on a players career. I'dlove to see those historical stats and like the more exotic stats they have like which third of the field we score in or scored against, how many tries come in the set after a penalty, win ratios for Saturday nights vs Saturday afternoon... the list is goes on and on. Keep me post if you can Ryan Ryan...
 

mt.wellington

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Lowrie had 1 line break, Johnson definitely had two maybe 3.

Johnson 2 good breaks around the 25:00 and 45:50 mark but their was still defenders in front of him. My threshold for linebreaks may have been high but I only called one when a player had broken through the line and had nothing but green space in front of him and a stressed out fullback or winger sweeping across to cover. I used the same yardstick for all players.

Lowrie got his linebreak by simply catching the ball from Godinet before the line and taking a couple of steps past the defenders to score.

I would happily welcome any corrections to the above stats and will gladly adjust them. I dont profess to being a professional data or statistical analyser or collector. I simply did it out of curiosity and my love of the game and team. Round 1 will see the real deal stats available...
 
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Ryan

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Another interesting thing I noticed about the Nrlstats.com Twitter feed is the tit-for-tat arguments they (Nrlstats.com) are engaging in with various irate individuals looking for answers about the availability of data. For a professional service, they don't look like they have much going for them in the way of professional PR. They could avoid all this by just putting a up an up-to-date FAQ page on their website an avoid all the negativity (for example, Twitter feed posts querying whether a certain NRL fantasy game is abusing the privilege of "free fer personal use" stats).

That's not say there aren't people out their abusing the "privilege", but Sports Data could do themselves a huge favour and stop behaving so publicly butthurt about it (I bet they're still getting paid by the NRL either way, but that's just an assumption on my part). They certainly have a right to protect their business, but geez, they're going about it all wrong.
 
Johnson 2 good breaks around the 25:00 and 45:50 mark but their was still defenders in front of him. My threshold for linebreaks may have been high but I only called one when a player had broken through the line and had nothing but green space in front of him and a stressed out fullback or winger sweeping across to cover. I used the same yardstick for all players.

Lowrie got his linebreak by simply catching the ball from Godinet before the line and taking a couple of steps past the defenders to score.

I would happily welcome any corrections to the above stats and will gladly adjust them. I dont profess to being a professional data or statistical analyser or collector. I simply did it out of curiosity and my love of the game and team. Round 1 will see the real deal stats available...


The NRL counts those as line breaks, they even count a try scorer diving over the line after being passed the ball...thats where Manu and Tupou got most of their line breaks from last season, being passed the ball a few meters out and dotting down, not really my idea of what a line break should be.
 
Johnson 2 good breaks around the 25:00 and 45:50 mark but their was still defenders in front of him. My threshold for linebreaks may have been high but I only called one when a player had broken through the line and had nothing but green space in front of him and a stressed out fullback or winger sweeping across to cover. I used the same yardstick for all players.

Lowrie got his linebreak by simply catching the ball from Godinet before the line and taking a couple of steps past the defenders to score.

I would happily welcome any corrections to the above stats and will gladly adjust them. I dont profess to being a professional data or statistical analyser or collector. I simply did it out of curiosity and my love of the game and team. Round 1 will see the real deal stats available...


not having access to the replay, did Johnson split the defense and go through the line on those 2 occasions? or did he just run around someone and into someone elses tackle zone?

if he split the defense and came out the other side that is definitely a line break, if not then it isnt imo.
 

mt.wellington

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The NRL counts those as line breaks, they even count a try scorer diving over the line after being passed the ball...thats where Manu and Tupou got most of their line breaks from last season, being passed the ball a few meters out and dotting down, not really my idea of what a line break should be.
Actually no they dont. A linebreak is a clean cut slice straight past all defenders with the fullback far from sight. Thats why Shaun Johnson only got credited with 13 on Mikets Stats thread and 15 on the Daily Telegraph stat page for 2012. Greg Inglis made 23. I think their threshold is alot higher then mine...
 

mt.wellington

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not having access to the replay, did Johnson split the defense and go through the line on those 2 occasions? or did he just run around someone and into someone elses tackle zone?

if he split the defense and came out the other side that is definitely a line break, if not then it isnt imo.
He still had defenders in front of him both times during the examples I stated. I have the game and the highlight package and have watched both numerous times...
 
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The NRL counts those as line breaks, they even count a try scorer diving over the line after being passed the ball...thats where Manu and Tupou got most of their line breaks from last season, being passed the ball a few meters out and dotting down, not really my idea of what a line break should be.

Yes a try scorer is always credited with a line break, that's a fact.
 
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mt.wellington

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I dont think they get credited with a line break if they dive on a loose ball in the ingoal or catch a kick to score.
No they dont. Perfect example of a try scorer breaking the line, Todd Lowrie. Perfect example of a try scorer not breaking the line, Manu Vatuvei.

Yes a try scorer is always credited with a line break, that's a fact.

Tries arent automatic linebreaks. Ashley Graham scored 21 tries but only had 19 line breaks. FACT...
 
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A try scorer only gets credit for the line break if he has to go through the defensive line to do it ie a barge over from dummy half would be a line break where as a support player who takes the ball from a player who has already broken the line wouldn't be.

Whoever breaks the line gets the credit.
 
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