General Unfair treatment - bunker & refs

[wizards rage]

The effectiveness of the Bunker was criticised this week after Dragons fullback Matt Dufty seemingly denied Cronulla’s second try, grounding a Chad Townsend grubber ahead of Jack Williams.
Dufty asked referee Grant Atkins if he could use the captain’s challenge for the Bunker to review the try given, but was told it could not be used in that scenario. The error proved crucial in Cronulla’s 28-24 win.

Our cause would have been easier if the sharks lost that...

 

[matiunz]

There are times when certain teams tend to get the rub of the green and a cynic can interpret that as game managing.
I can buy into the ‘conspiracy’ against us in more heated moments but I’ve also been exposed to other teams fans who are convinced the same conspiracies exist against their teams for a variety of reasons.
I think it’s just we see the wrongs against the team we follow and tend to not notice the favourable calls we may get. The fact that we are the “little brother” in this arrangement easily lends to perceived bias- however pretty much every team has something they match on to as the reason they are wronged also

 

[mrblonde]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but EVERY team is getting horrible calls this year. We're no isolated case. Manly were literally cost two games by horrendous bunker/ref calls after the 70th minute earlier in the year.

I'm not denying that we've had some bad calls, but we've also been given some bad calls as recently as last week. Pompey's try shouldn't have been given.

This is what I've always said about the Warriors: Yes, we get some shit calls against us. We also get some shit calls for us. I think - if you were bored enough with life to Youtube (or is it youTube?, soz China if I got dat wrong!) every Warriors game - you'd find us somewhere in the 40-60% Got-That-Call-Right range which is, frankly, fair enough.

If I'm concerned about anything with the match officials, it's the idea that they're thinking "Shit! Ballsed up that call against the Warriors in the 28th minute! Better square that up otherwise the boss'll be pissed off on Monday!" So they call a bullshit penalty against the Rabbitohs so both Peyten and Bennett call the referees dumbos rather than call the game as they see it and argue the contentious calls with Referee Boss Annesley on Monday.

 

[jonesy101]

Payten has called it out now:

Todd Payten unhappy Warriors don't get same respect as Sydney clubs do

The Warriors coach says the Warriors don't get treated the same way the Sydney NRL clubs do.

www.stuff.co.nz

 

[warriors4eva]

Payten has called it out now:

Todd Payten unhappy Warriors don't get same respect as Sydney clubs do

The Warriors coach says the Warriors don't get treated the same way the Sydney NRL clubs do.

www.stuff.co.nz

Yeah and he isnt the first aussie, coach or player to come out and say we dont get the rub of the green. Some players that have come over to the Warriors soon noticed dodgy calls starting to happen.

 

[Vancent]

Whether it’s correct or not, a thread like this is the early beginnings of an excuse laden mindset - for losers.

if your season is so finely calibrated that you’re at the mercy of maintaining reasonable officialdom for a full season - you’re going to be disappointed.

I still agree we should kick up a stink - as a proactive mechanism to reduce future occurrences.

But put simply - we have to perform better for longer to allow for this element which is out of our control.

I could think of as many games where we didn’t put in 100% which then cost us the game - the difference with that element is within our control - where would you focus?

 

[Beastmode]

Whether it’s correct or not, a thread like this is the early beginnings of an excuse laden mindset - for losers.

if your season is so finely calibrated that you’re at the mercy of maintaining reasonable officialdom for a full season - you’re going to be disappointed.

I still agree we should kick up a stink - as a proactive mechanism to reduce future occurrences.

But put simply - we have to perform better for longer to allow for this element which is out of our control.

I could think of as many games where we didn’t put in 100% which then cost us the game - the difference with that element is within our control - where would you focus?

Accepting it for what it is is a defeatist mentality so you're contradicting yourself.

 

[john nick]

Accepting it for what it is is a defeatist mentality so you're contradicting yourself.

I am over it completely after 25 years of watching the Warriors get shafted game after game.Nothing will ever change.

 

[Beastmode]

I am over it completely after 25 years of watching the Warriors get shafted game after game.Nothing will ever change.

the game has evolved immensely over the last decade

the rules have changed so much, so there is no reason to believe the game will not evolve further and for the better

however, the league will prioritize what is important and what is good for the game

with enough publicity, facts and figure, the league will be forced to do something (here's hoping)...

 

[john nick]

the game has evolved immensely over the last decade

the rules have changed so much, so there is no reason to believe the game will not evolve further and for the better

however, the league will prioritize what is important and what is good for the game

with enough publicity, facts and figure, the league will be forced to do something (here's hoping)...

Cheers Beastie.Hopefully you are proved right.At least I have faith in Peter VLandys to correct the wrongs.We havent seen an administrator of his ilk for many long years (if ever).Go the Warriors!!!

 

[Gizzyfan]

I said years ago that the club should hire a retired Judge or QC and front the NRL over these matters, he would be kept busy.

 

[Miket12]

Rugby league: Warriors coach Todd Payten wanted ref dropped, but NRL were having none of it

Warriors coach Todd Payten says he gave up his public efforts to get a fair deal from the referees because the Auckland NRL club gets ignored.

And his belief that the referee in Sunday's loss to the Eels should be dropped has found no official favour, with Grant Atkins appointed to a match in the next round.

Payten said he decided to leave concerns about the overall refereeing standards and consistency to coaches from Sydney clubs because they would make more headway.

But the interim Warriors boss, an Australian who has just been appointed head coach of the Cowboys from next year, has renewed his complaints and concerns after a controversial loss to the Eels.

The Warriors were hurt by the contentious sin binning of Jazz Tevaga in the last round, with the Eels scoring two critical first-half tries while the Warriors' lock was on the sideline.

It has left the Warriors facing a must-win game against the Sharks on Sunday, and their top eight hopes in serious trouble.

Payten said he sent referees boss Bernie Sutton about 30 video clips looking for clarification around each incident after a narrow loss to the Titans this year.

"I was on the phone to Bernie on a couple of occasions…I spent a good extra three hours cutting up the game," he told Newstalk ZB's D'Arcy Waldegrave.

"While I was being heard nothing changed over the coming weeks. I made the decision I was wasting too much energy on it.

"There have been some coaches who have commented publicly in the post-match conference and given that they are in Sydney and probably at more popular clubs, it gets far more attention in the press than if it was coming from the Warriors."

Payten said the club's early season performances had left them under pressure. But he was still clearly frustrated about a no-try ruling in the Titans game and the sin binning of Tevaga for a mild push to Eels lock Nathan Brown's head.

He said the sin binning "severely impacted" the outcome and those sorts of calls "affect livelihoods". He wished the bunker had wound the video back a further 10 seconds, to see a "knee on Jazz Tevaga's head".

"I'd be very disappointed if Atkins is refereeing again this weekend," he said.

Atkins will control the Storm-Cowboys game on the Sunshine Coast.

The NRL's head of football Graham Annesley says Atkins - who got help from the bunker - probably got the sin bin call wrong, but says there is also an onus on players to avoid potential problems.

"(Don't) place the officials in a position where they force them to make decisions that might negatively affect them," Annesley said.

"The best way we could have avoided this is that Jazz doesn't do what he did. Then no one's talking about it."

Meanwhile, Payten clarified the forward selections for the match against Cronulla.

Tohu Harris Harris, listed in the No 12 jersey, will start as a prop with Isaiah Papali'i playing on an edge. The Warriors have their Eels loan players George Jennings and Daniel Alvaro back after Parramatta withdrew them last week.

Former Warriors golden boy Shaun Johnson returns for the Sharks from a groin problem, but they have lost Chad Townsend and Wade Graham to suspension.

30 video clips of proof: Warriors coach reveals stunning NRL snub

Warriors coach Todd Payten tried to bite his tongue, but refs got the better of him.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Raw Power]

My family all of them, for many years, were at me for thinking we continually get the shit calls... Now they Agree!

 

[Beastmode]

Rugby league: Warriors coach Todd Payten wanted ref dropped, but NRL were having none of it


The NRL's head of football Graham Annesley says Atkins - who got help from the bunker - probably got the sin bin call wrong, but says there is also an onus on players to avoid potential problems.

"(Don't) place the officials in a position where they force them to make decisions that might negatively affect them," Annesley said.

"The best way we could have avoided this is that Jazz doesn't do what he did. Then no one's talking about it."

30 video clips of proof: Warriors coach reveals stunning NRL snub

Warriors coach Todd Payten tried to bite his tongue, but refs got the better of him.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Thats an absolutely lame answer from Graham Annesley.

This game isnt tiddly winks FFS.

Was there any risk to Brown's safety from Jazz's little shove??? none what-so-ever

Yet you have plays where our boy David Futistua gets clotheslined and concussed by that grub Latrell Mitchell in the rabbits game, and the ref doesnt even blink an eye.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was dangerously taken out while in the air trying to catch the ball, and again ref doesnt blink an eye. Taken out by Brown of all people. Penalty against the Warriors. Incredulous!

Jazz shoves Brown from being a grub and its 10 in the bin?????????

The crime needs to fit the punishment and it needs to be consistent otherwise the whole competition becomes an utter joke....

 

[the borg]

We have been on the shit end of calls for years now.... more so at this time of the year when vying for the top 8.
The answer is don't let ourselves get in this predicament.... need to consistently stay in the top 5 all through the year .. then we can moan about the refs keeping us out of the top 4 every year... at least we'd be playing finals footy...

 

[gREVUS]

recent article highlighting the current effectiveness and contractual agreements surrounding bunker..It`s another massive cost and currently under review..better solutions being considered!


The NRL is looking at alternative referee-assistance technology as the contract for the Bunker draws to a close.

The Bunker was brought into the game on a contractual basis, with the NRL reviewing both the effectiveness of the technology and its cost. The Bunker costs the game upwards of $2 million a year, which is offset by sponsorship deals.



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Head of football Graham Annesley said with the contract coming to an end in the next two months, the NRL needs to ensure the Bunker is still the right fit for the game.

"It's not just an automatic process of renewing those agreements we have to go through a process to look at what other technologies are available, how far technology has come since we first put it in place and whether there are better alternatives," he said.





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Annesley said the review has also looked at bringing the Bunker back to local venues or in a mobile van that would drive from venue to venue. The Bunker is currently in a centralised facility located at Australian Technology Park in Sydney.
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"There is a whole range of different ways of utilising that technology," he said. "That's the work that is underway at the moment to determine the best way forward and the most efficient use of game resources."
The game is also looking at forward-pass technology. About a week ago, Annesley said the NRL was briefed on new skeletal technology that can track whether the hands of a passer is releasing the ball back or forwards.
"I can't tell you it is close, but we are talking to technology providers constantly," he said. "If we are sold on the technology in terms of its effectiveness, it would come down to what is the cost of future research and development to amend it for our own purposes."

The effectiveness of the Bunker was criticised this week after Dragons fullback Matt Dufty seemingly denied Cronulla’s second try, grounding a Chad Townsend grubber ahead of Jack Williams.
Dufty asked referee Grant Atkins if he could use the captain’s challenge for the Bunker to review the try given, but was told it could not be used in that scenario. The error proved crucial in Cronulla’s 28-24 win.

so they wont digitally put a line on the field to show off side (a technology that is proven and been around for 10 years or more) but they will consider a new high tech that is unproven and has unknown costs associated with it. I call bullshit. I dont believe they will spend the money.

 

[gREVUS]

"(Don't) place the officials in a position where they force them to make decisions that might negatively affect them," Annesley said.

so just accept bad behaviour from other teams, that the ref misses. Basically just lie there and take it. Yeah i cant see this advice going down with any other club in the comp, so why would our players accept bad reffing.

Honestly it sounds a lot like what they used to tell battered women, dont talk about it, dont retailiate, just be happy your married. (i know this is an extreme example, but trying to justify a bad call by blaming the players is pretty extreme)

 

[Off The Bench]

I do think we get bad decisions against us
I don't think it's biased or a conspiracy

The refs are human beings an can be swayed easily by a strong personality
A few years ago sharks signed Maloney an Ennis I said that year they would win the comp . Because of strong personalities Gallon ,Ennis ,Moloney .Be honest if you were the ref you would think twice before blowing the whistle .with those three who just love to argue .ready to go at you .
Cam Smith is a shining example

 

[gpred]

Annesley's briefing this week, in terms of a textbook display of ineffective leadership and responsibility dodging reminded me of Donald Trump denying any responsibility for Covid in the US.

He mentioned about 10 times (probably more) that the players need to take responsibility for putting the refs in a situation where they need to make a decision.

The players doing dumb things or not is the team and coaches responsibility. But they will do dumb things. When they do, what's done is done, and it passes to the ref to make a decision. At that point his only job is to try and get it right. Annesley's job is to help them get it right.

But all he could do was pass the buck. Shameful leadership, and I believe he should stand himself down.

 

[Dixpat]

Yeah and he isnt the first aussie, coach or player to come out and say we dont get the rub of the green. Some players that have come over to the Warriors soon noticed dodgy calls starting to happen.

I may have posted this before - Kevin Campion said that before he came to the Warriors he thought us fans were just moaners re adverse ref decisions but after playing a few games for us he quickly changed his mind!