General Tim Smith

[David Bragg_old]

Respectfully Northern Union.I'm gonna have to go with 2B2S on this one.Good player Morrison but I feel he was at his peak when he played for Balmain and won't offer anything that we don't already have covered.
An unnecessary utilisation of our salary cap.
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[Northern_Union]

Possibility so 2B2S and David Brag. However what i've seen of him in the ESL has impressed me. In many ways he'd add to what we have in Luck, a hard headed professional approach and prepared to do the dirty work that very few appreciate. Added his ball skills and hole running and i think he'd be good for us.

 

[Skinny_Ravs82]

What!!!!

No Malo Solomona

Malo keeps on getting overlooked and hes playing out of his skin.........


As for Mr Tim Smith

PARRAMATTA'S troubled halfback Tim Smith faces the sack tomorrow for another off-field drama involving booze.

A repeat offender, Smith has been accused of intimidating, swearing and making obscene finger gestures at a 55-year-old man last Sunday.

Smith was yesterday asked to explain his behaviour to Eels coach Michael Hagan and football manager Andrew Hill.

Eels chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said: "Alcohol and Tim Smith don't go together."

Just last year, Parramatta threatened to terminate Smith's contract after a series of drunken incidents.


Another Fine Mess to bring to the Warriors....

The Eel's could'nt help him after numerous chances...

DO YOU WANT THIS GUY TO RUIN TEAM MORALE?????

If we're talking his issues off field, hell no. Talk about his on-field skills, why not?

 

[Jesbass_old]

ok I am no expert on this but surely there is possibly a chance he could for lack of a better term explode again?

I think this would be a risky signing without some kind of clauses where he maybe has to play a certain amount of games a year or is on something similar to match payments/performanc based. there would have to be something in there in case he does again for a lack of a better term goes off the rails.

what he has to live through each day must be incredible and I think some on here should maybe calm it down a bit as they don't know what's like to live with something like bi-polar.I myself have been half blind (recently diagnosed as being Amblyopia) since birth and without a major medical breakthrough for the blindness in my left eye that I do have will be half blind for the rest of my life.

If he was to stop taking whatever medication he's on, that coud certainly happen, Esoj. However, the club appears to have a standard code of conduct cause with termination following a breach. Misi Taulapapa and Sione Faumuina are the only two players so far to have breached that clause, and they were sent packing. Especially given Smith's background, the Warriors would have done the same with his contract.

I agree on what you say about perspective. I don't know what it's lie to live with bi-polar, but I do know what it's like to live with someone who has that mental illness, and I think it's one of those things that is generally looked at with little understanding of exactly what a person with a mental illness goes through, and that the rest of us are often left to pick up the pieces.

 

[Jesbass_old]

is the ball playing backrower pritchard? cos its pretty well known he wants out of the panthers.

Onto tim smith though, i hope its not a done a deal. I would like to know whats changed with him. I think the bloke has alot to prove before he should be able to walk up and get back in to first grade in the NRL. he has talent, but i want to know if he is coming here what steps are in place to help him, what steps are in place to so that what happened to him at the eels doesnt happen here.

Not a clue. I've passed on everything I've been told.

 

[Jesbass_old]

What!!!!

No Malo Solomona

Malo keeps on getting overlooked and hes playing out of his skin.........


As for Mr Tim Smith

PARRAMATTA'S troubled halfback Tim Smith faces the sack tomorrow for another off-field drama involving booze.

A repeat offender, Smith has been accused of intimidating, swearing and making obscene finger gestures at a 55-year-old man last Sunday.

Smith was yesterday asked to explain his behaviour to Eels coach Michael Hagan and football manager Andrew Hill.

Eels chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said: "Alcohol and Tim Smith don't go together."

Just last year, Parramatta threatened to terminate Smith's contract after a series of drunken incidents.


Another Fine Mess to bring to the Warriors....

The Eel's could'nt help him after numerous chances...

DO YOU WANT THIS GUY TO RUIN TEAM MORALE?????

Wow, you really had me worried there for a second...until I realised that this article was published on December 6th, 2007. (That is, more than eight months ago.)

https://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22878682-5001023,00.html

There's no guarantee that that Tim Smith and this Tim Smith are the same person. He has since taken time out of the NRL to address his bi-polar, and is now a long way away from the Sydney spotlight.

It's important not to underestimate just how thorough the 'new' Warriors management is with regards to their recruitment programme. The code of conduct wouldn't allow him to step out of line and stay around.

Despite the fact that it's a common saying, "a leopard never changes it's spots" is, quite frankly, erroneous.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

Good call Wiki. I had to go to hospital a couple of years ago when my friend killed himself & they put me in the mentally ill part of the hospital. I met a few people with Bi-Polar & they & their family's told me that medication saved there lives.
To start talking about that med's are useless is ignorant & straight out of Tom Cruise's mouth, I.E a Scientologist. They are an evil breed of people as I have come across these people & I'm telling you those guys are more ill than the mentally ill. Crazy brain washing bastards is the 1st thought that came to my mind when I met a group of them. Medication SAVES peoples lives. AMEN TO THAT.

Medication does indeed save people`s lives by treating the symptoms. But it rarely eliminates the cause of the symptoms, so once you stop the medication, you fall back.

I know nothing at all about Scientology, I habitually steer clear of all kinds of religions and that sort of stuff. But the same way I steer clear of modern medicine, except in emergencies.

Developed chronic mental disease is always a result of lifestyle, diet, traumatic experiences, pollution, stress and that sort of stuff. Therefore effective cure must involve changes in these factors. Otherwise you can keep treating the symptom by taking pills for the rest of your life.

I use absolutes in my language because I know I have an open mind with no superstitions. So I treat my opinion as fact, until I have experience or see evidence that shows otherwise.

 

[Jesbass_old]

Medication does indeed save people`s lives by treating the symptoms. But it rarely eliminates the cause of the symptoms, so once you stop the medication, you fall back.

I know nothing at all about Scientology, I habitually steer clear of all kinds of religions and that sort of stuff. But the same way I steer clear of modern medicine, except in emergencies.

Developed chronic mental disease is always a result of lifestyle, diet, traumatic experiences, pollution, stress and that sort of stuff. Therefore effective cure must involve changes in these factors. Otherwise you can keep treating the symptom by taking pills for the rest of your life.

I use absolutes in my language because I know I have an open mind with no superstitions. So I treat my opinion as fact, until I have experience or see evidence that shows otherwise.

Incorrect. It can also be brought on by medication, (in which case medication or the reduction of it certainly plays a major part in treatment), and genetics. Just as most medication deals with the symptoms, (I agree with you there - I'm learning about chiropractic care at the moment and it's mind boggling), the things you've noted above are also symptoms. They may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, for the lack of a better analogy, but they aren't the be all and end all of the disorder.

 

[Northern_Union]

Medication does indeed save people`s lives by treating the symptoms. But it rarely eliminates the cause of the symptoms, so once you stop the medication, you fall back.

I know nothing at all about Scientology, I habitually steer clear of all kinds of religions and that sort of stuff. But the same way I steer clear of modern medicine, except in emergencies.

Developed chronic mental disease is always a result of lifestyle, diet, traumatic experiences, pollution, stress and that sort of stuff. Therefore effective cure must involve changes in these factors. Otherwise you can keep treating the symptom by taking pills for the rest of your life.

I use absolutes in my language because I know I have an open mind with no superstitions. So I treat my opinion as fact, until I have experience or see evidence that shows otherwise.

The same way a paranoid schizophrenic knows things for certain?

 

[Blake_old]

The same way a paranoid schizophrenic knows things for certain?

Was going to suggest his assertion is an awfully convenient way to back up his argument and conversely refute anyone elses.

If all medical diagnosis had to go through the rigmoral of understanding a patients background (social/historical), geographical history, dietary habits etc, no patient would ever be 'cured'. There are simply too many 'factors' to isolate and then understand how they interact with each other 'factor'. Medication aids the patient to lead a live of relative normality while at the same time therapy and a continued personal search may in time help them to discover how to live without the need for medication.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

The same way a paranoid schizophrenic knows things for certain?

I just mentioned it cos Jes was questioning me about my use of absolutes. You gotta treat your opinions as truth, otherwise what`s the point in experience? You could never be confident in anything you do. You gotta back your judgement, and then change your judgement if you see a reason to do so.

It`s great fun when conflicting views are expressed, both parties can learn from it, even if it just means making a damning conclusion about the opposing party huhh.

 

[2big2strong_old]

Could a mod please correct the title of this thread to "Psychological disorder discussion thread" Coz at the moment it says "Tim Smith" which is clearly incorrect.

 

[KeepingTheFaith_old]

In my opinion Glen Morrison would be a poor signing. If we didn't have Lillyman or Luck then sure he'd be value but I just can't see him adding that much difference to the team. I'd rather those rumours of Jess Royal came true before any rumours of Morrison. Royal certainly offers something different to our current props.

 

[attila_the_gorilla]

When is the deadline for finalizing next season`s roster?

 

[Iafeta_old]

In my opinion Glen Morrison would be a poor signing. If we didn't have Lillyman or Luck then sure he'd be value but I just can't see him adding that much difference to the team. I'd rather those rumours of Jess Royal came true before any rumours of Morrison. Royal certainly offers something different to our current props.

Morrison was always given away diabolical penalties too. Heart like a tiger, sometimes lacking upstairs. I wouldn't class him a ball player, just a hard worker.

All you Doogie Howser MD's wannabes... this is about whether the Warriors are going sign Tim Smith, not if you can catch diseases by kissing or medication and such.

 

[Northern_Union]

And your wide of the mark Iafeta. bi-polar can seriously impact on a persons ability to work. If the Warriors were to sign him they would have to do so in the knowledge that he may miss matches due to him illness.

 

[Iafeta_old]

Without a doubt. But I think perhaps we've gone beyond discussing whether he's stable to things like what sort of medication there is, does the medication work... in fairness, I'll await for a qualified doctor before acknowledging what the truth of the matter is in regards to his health.

The question really is can Tim Smith fit into the club, can he mentally survive at the club, can he be a positive factor for the club on and off the field, and can the club provide an environment that assists his personal growth as a human being.

 

[2big2strong_old]

I say give him a go. What is there to lose?

 

[pilky01_old]

yes, and also is he even going to come? all this talk about whether or not hes mentally fit or not to play, we've seemed to of convinced ourselves that hes actually coming to the club. BUT people this is still just a rumour :blah:

 

[ToiletDuck_old]

Developed chronic mental disease is always a result of lifestyle, diet, traumatic experiences, pollution, stress and that sort of stuff. Therefore effective cure must involve changes in these factors. Otherwise you can keep treating the symptom by taking pills for the rest of your life.

I use absolutes in my language because I know I have an open mind with no superstitions. So I treat my opinion as fact, until I have experience or see evidence that shows otherwise.

That is 100% Incorrect. If you had done any research to gain this so called evidence you would know your opinion was complete and utter nonsense. Your opinion isn't based on anything other than ignorance. Sorry to sound so harsh, but uhh yeah, no other way to say it really.

Let's clear some things up.
Bipolar disorder is a mood disorder.
In order for someone to be diagnosed with Bipolar type I they need to have had a Major Depressive episode AS WELL AS a manic episode. There are diagnostic criteria for each (to be discussed elsewhere).

A Dx of Bipolar type II can be made after one major depressive episode and a hypomanic episode. Hypomania is a less severe form of mania, people can become highly functional, though there are no psychotic Sx.

Cyclothymia is another mood disorder, though far less severe. It is characterised by more rapidly cycling moods, with neither the highs or lows reaching criteria for a manic or depressive episode. Thus, it doesn't really come under the Bipolar blanket, clinically anyway.

As for the meds, Bipolar is generally treated with a mood stabiliser (e.g. Lithium, Sodium Valproate), an anti-psychotic (if psychotic Sx treatment is necessary) as well as anti-depressants. We have no way of knowing what sort of regime Tim Smith is on, and hence have no way of knowing how he is affected. Thus it really is a moot point.