General Tim Smith

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Jesbass_old

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NU, is Cyclothymia the same as Bipolar Type III?

Exercise is beneficial for those with Bipolar and depression. He has been playing for more than two seasons (presumably) on medication, and he seems to be keeping up reasonably well on the field, so I wouldn't use the side effects of his medication as a reason not to sign him.
 

JonB_old

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What is type 3 Bipolar Jb? I have never actually heard of it, are you referring to cyclothymic disorder?
I thought the type refers to where it comes under the axis in the American Psychiatric Association diagnostic index thing.
 

JonB_old

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NU, is Cyclothymia the same as Bipolar Type III?

Exercise is beneficial for those with Bipolar and depression. He has been playing for more than two seasons (presumably) on medication, and he seems to be keeping up reasonably well on the field, so I wouldn't use the side effects of his medication as a reason not to sign him.

Cyclothymia is a rapid changing mood disorder, cyclo as in cycle and thymia means mood. Euthymic is normal mood.

on the American Psychiatric Association diagnostic index Axis 1 is major mental disorder Axis is underlying mental disorder or personality disorder Axis is a physical disorder and Axis 4 is social or environment issues.
Bipolar 1 fits under Axis 1 Bipolar 2 under Axis 2, Cyclothymia is Axis 2 as well.
 

JonB_old

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Also Cycolthymia doesn't meet the criteria for a major depressive disorder, with not as low depressions and elevations.
Type 2 and Cyclothymic disorders seem to be more associated with hypothymic moods rather than elevations of mood.
 

Northern_Union

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NU, is Cyclothymia the same as Bipolar Type III?

Exercise is beneficial for those with Bipolar and depression. He has been playing for more than two seasons (presumably) on medication, and he seems to be keeping up reasonably well on the field, so I wouldn't use the side effects of his medication as a reason not to sign him.

Tynically speaking mate there is no such thing as type III. If there was a type III it would be called Cyclothymia but Cyclothymia is a stand alone illness thats a relative of bi-polar.
 

Jesbass_old

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What is type 3 Bipolar Jb? I have never actually heard of it, are you referring to cyclothymic disorder?
I thought the type refers to where it comes under the axis in the American Psychiatric Association diagnostic index thing.

It's a common term, (though it may not be a medical one), for Bipolar Type I (I think) caused by medication. Essentially, you mix the wrong medication cocktail, and you can end up with Bi-Polar. As it is onset by medication, it can be 'cured' by the gradual removal of said medication, but even that can take months.
 

David Bragg_old

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Witt and Fein have been encouraged by the club to consider other options.
It also appears unlikely thet Hohaia is wanted as a starting half or five eighth by Cleary but is viewed as excellent utility value.
I suspect a deal with someone has been done.
And I doubt that it would be an up and comer like Foran or Taumata to partner another youngster in Moon although if one of them was cheap enough they could buy them as well.
Is it Smith?
I would take the chance.
Gets him close to family and friends but just far enough away from previous distractions.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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1. McKinnon
2. Kemp (GK)
3. Tate
4. Ropati/Fai
5. Vatuvei
6. Moon
7. Smith
8. Rapira
9. Henderson
10. Price
11. Mannering
12. Lillyman
13. Luck

14. Hohaia
15. Tuimavavae
16. Matulino/Fai
17. Lauaki/Packer

I'd take the lineup if we could get it. Backrow might be a bit workmanlike bt with impact off the bench, a potent backline, and halves that can give good service to that backline I don't think the backrow would be as much of an issue, especially if Mannering continues to improve the offense side of his game as he has done this year.
 

sebastian_old

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Scientologist?

Good call Wiki. I had to go to hospital a couple of years ago when my friend killed himself & they put me in the mentally ill part of the hospital. I met a few people with Bi-Polar & they & their family's told me that medication saved there lives.
To start talking about that med's are useless is ignorant & straight out of Tom Cruise's mouth, I.E a Scientologist. They are an evil breed of people as I have come across these people & I'm telling you those guys are more ill than the mentally ill. Crazy brain washing bastards is the 1st thought that came to my mind when I met a group of them. Medication SAVES peoples lives. AMEN TO THAT.
 

Jesbass_old

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Wow, our lineup suddenly looks potent with Smith and Moon in the halves!

As for the backrow, don't forget the murmurings of a ball playing second rower. I've heard one name, but it was a long shot at best: Glenn Morrison. Seems a bit long in the tooth for mine, though.
 

David Bragg_old

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I don't think he fits the description "ball playing second rower"
 

Ryno_old

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Oh man i hate Glen Morrison. Hes the blonde dude that used play for the cowboys???

But Smith could be a really good signing!! Hopefully the club, the atmosphere, the fans can help him with his illness.
 

Esoj_old

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Only if his mental illness isn't being addressed. It has been a few months since he left the NRL - more than two years since he was first diagnosed with Bipolar - and the club know as well as us how it affected him on the field. They won't rush into this if there are no assurances of him getting the help, support, medication, counselling and whatever other associated support systems in place.

ok I am no expert on this but surely there is possibly a chance he could for lack of a better term explode again?

I think this would be a risky signing without some kind of clauses where he maybe has to play a certain amount of games a year or is on something similar to match payments/performanc based. there would have to be something in there in case he does again for a lack of a better term goes off the rails.

what he has to live through each day must be incredible and I think some on here should maybe calm it down a bit as they don't know what's like to live with something like bi-polar.I myself have been half blind (recently diagnosed as being Amblyopia) since birth and without a major medical breakthrough for the blindness in my left eye that I do have will be half blind for the rest of my life.
 
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J_Hallow_old

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Back onto the topic at hand, the word around the traps is that this is already a done deal. Tim Smith is coming to Auckland in 2009. The club apparently wanted him to come mid-season, but he wanted to finish off his season in the ESL. The other rumour is that the club are either looking for, or may have signed, a ball playing second rower. (One and all, rejoice.)

is the ball playing backrower pritchard? cos its pretty well known he wants out of the panthers.

Onto tim smith though, i hope its not a done a deal. I would like to know whats changed with him. I think the bloke has alot to prove before he should be able to walk up and get back in to first grade in the NRL. he has talent, but i want to know if he is coming here what steps are in place to help him, what steps are in place to so that what happened to him at the eels doesnt happen here.
 

David Bragg_old

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I would expect if the ball playing seond rower rumour is correct it would have to be someone really worth grabbing like Pritchard.
We have no reason to buy a solid NRL player with the likes of Lillyman,Luck,Mannering,Packer, Rapira and up and coming ball players Fai,Matulino and Ah Mau on the books.
 

2big2strong_old

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Yeah Glen Morrison's a solid player but he's just like Lillyman and a few others we already have at the club. He's definitely not a ball playing second rower, just another toiler.
 

BigD_old

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1. McKinnon
2. Kemp (GK)
3. Tate
4. Ropati/Fai
5. Vatuvei
6. Moon
7. Smith
8. Rapira
9. Henderson
10. Price
11. Mannering
12. Lillyman
13. Luck

14. Hohaia
15. Tuimavavae
16. Matulino/Fai
17. Lauaki/Packer

I'd take the lineup if we could get it. Backrow might be a bit workmanlike bt with impact off the bench, a potent backline, and halves that can give good service to that backline I don't think the backrow would be as much of an issue, especially if Mannering continues to improve the offense side of his game as he has done this year.

What!!!!

No Malo Solomona

Malo keeps on getting overlooked and hes playing out of his skin.........


As for Mr Tim Smith

PARRAMATTA'S troubled halfback Tim Smith faces the sack tomorrow for another off-field drama involving booze.

A repeat offender, Smith has been accused of intimidating, swearing and making obscene finger gestures at a 55-year-old man last Sunday.

Smith was yesterday asked to explain his behaviour to Eels coach Michael Hagan and football manager Andrew Hill.

Eels chief executive Denis Fitzgerald said: "Alcohol and Tim Smith don't go together."

Just last year, Parramatta threatened to terminate Smith's contract after a series of drunken incidents.


Another Fine Mess to bring to the Warriors....

The Eel's could'nt help him after numerous chances...

DO YOU WANT THIS GUY TO RUIN TEAM MORALE?????
 

Northern_Union

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Respectfully 2B2S i disagree with you on Morrison. He would bring attacking ability to our pack that we don't have at the moment. He's no Frankie Pritchard but he's a real handy ball player and he brings a little niggle and mongrel to a forward pack.
 

Northern_Union

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