General Tim Smith

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JonB_old

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Nobody is ever born with bipolar disorder. It starts usually in adolescence when people start having their own minds and especially sensitive people go through traumas because of the unnatural lives we`re living and our lack of true freedom. Even footy players are living in a cage, but some of them are more sensitive than others.

Mainstream medicine has only one purpose: to treat symptoms and fool people into peace with the system.

I would bet my bottom dollar that bipolar disorder does not exist in natural, self-reliant aboriginal communities. It all comes with the alienation caused by education, jobs and the lot.


I would take that bet, depression runs in family as does Schizophrenia. Currently 1% of the population has schizophrenia, if both your parents have the illness this increases your chances to 46%. I think their could be a genetic link.... I am not sure on the statistics for Bipolar. I also know a person in my class who has a son that was diagnosed with Bipolar at 3 years old and displayed symptoms of it his whole life at the age of 17.

Mental illness goes back a long time, the first hospital dedicated to mental illness dates back to the 1300's I believe.
The communities that you are talking about actually have better recovery rates than our own for Schizophrenia, recovery from mental illness is not always not having symptoms but living well with them.
Stress is a big cause of mental illness, I agree with you here, however often stress opens the door for mental illness to manifest its ugly head.
Currently we live in an age that has never seen a higher rate of depression their are lots of reasons behind this.
Discussing it would cause a violent discussion I think.
 

attila_the_gorilla

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I would take that bet, depression runs in family as does Schizophrenia. Currently 1% of the population has schizophrenia, if both your parents have the illness this increases your chances to 46%. I think their could be a genetic link....

The level of sensitivity to unhealthy lifestyle is probably genetic. But having mental disease in a certain place and lifestyle does not mean you would have that in another place and lifestyle. When you have such problems, they can always be cured by changing your circumstances and lifestyle, even if the change often needs to be radical.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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I think it's importnat he sorts himself out first before considering anything else
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24145733-23214,00.html

"Smith, 23, was released by the Eels in April after going public with his health problems and joined Wigan in June on a contract which runs until the end of next year. However, he has struggled to make an impact and could be lured back to the NRL by the Warriors, who have expressed an interest in signing him.

The Warriors have done little to douse speculation their existing halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli are free to leave at season's end - and it is understood they have earmarked Smith as the solution to their problems."

.....Thats out of leftfield

and considering how often the Warriors have been rumored linked to any halves I'm not surprised our names came up again
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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some how I really doubt that Tim Smith would come to NZ, with mental illnesses one of the key elements to recovery is support, especially from friends and family. so Im assuming that he would much rather stay in sydney.... However, we dont know the in and outs of his conditions and contributing factors so possibly a change of environment like you all are saying could be just what he needs.... Would be so stoked to see him in our colours.


Do you realise he's currently playing in the english super league? I don't think staying in Sydne is a consideration. If anything he'd be more likely to avoid Sydney to escape the fishbowl lifestyle there. At least that'd be one of the points I'd be selling to any potential recruits.
 

JonB_old

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The level of sensitivity to unhealthy lifestyle is probably genetic. But having mental disease in a certain place and lifestyle does not mean you would have that in another place and lifestyle. When you have such problems, they can always be cured by changing your circumstances and lifestyle, even if the change often needs to be radical.

I agree the right attitude has to be had for any sort of recovery, people have to take ownership of their illness. One of my friends has bipolar 2 and is doing pretty well and he is giving it everything to recover from it but he still has some big big lows he has been admitted to hospital 3-4 times in the last year and from my experience he is doing good from what I have seen.

From research I have come across people are usually on medications there whole lives once they are diagnosed with Bipolar 1, I think it is unfair to assume that these people are all just to lazy to recover or not willing to try, my experience is limited but the people I have met with mental illness have some of the most resilient I have met.
 

attila_the_gorilla

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From research I have come across people are usually on medications there whole lives once they are diagnosed with Bipolar 1, I think it is unfair to assume that these people are all just to lazy to recover or not willing to try, my experience is limited but the people I have met with mental illness have some of the most resilient I have met.

I would definitely not ever blame the sufferers for their issues, they were born into an unnatural lifestyle and an unhealthy society, it is not easy to find alternative ways of living, cos that sort of stuff is not taught anywhere.

Usually I like to have an evolutionary historical approach, and go all the way back to the last natural human existence and treat that as the healthy way of living. So any chronic disease is because of breaking away from our evolutionary design. And helping the sufferers understand this is the only way to start them on a more deliberate road to recovery.

No wonder it`s often the most ingenius people that are affected by mental disease, because they are the most sensitive in every aspect of the word.
 

ToiletDuck_old

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I thought Andrew Johns was having the same issues. It has more to do with depression than schizophrenia.

I refuse to believe you need modern medication to deal with any psychological issue. That will just get you stuck in a way of life your body is desperately telling you to get out of.

That is such an ignorant statement, psychiatric diseases are caused by imbalances in certain chemicals in the brain...and yes there are factors such as genetic, environmental, personality etc. However the pathological process itself often requires just as much medical intervention as any disease of the kidney, liver, heart etc.
 
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ToiletDuck_old

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The level of sensitivity to unhealthy lifestyle is probably genetic. But having mental disease in a certain place and lifestyle does not mean you would have that in another place and lifestyle. When you have such problems, they can always be cured by changing your circumstances and lifestyle, even if the change often needs to be radical.

Seriously, where are you getting this info. I'd really like to know which database you're searching, which type of study you're using etc.
 

JonB_old

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I would definitely not ever blame the sufferers for their issues, they were born into an unnatural lifestyle and an unhealthy society, it is not easy to find alternative ways of living, cos that sort of stuff is not taught anywhere.

Usually I like to have an evolutionary historical approach, and go all the way back to the last natural human existence and treat that as the healthy way of living. So any chronic disease is because of breaking away from our evolutionary design. And helping the sufferers understand this is the only way to start them on a more deliberate road to recovery.

No wonder it`s often the most ingenius people that are affected by mental disease, because they are the most sensitive in every aspect of the word.

each to their own.
 

ToiletDuck_old

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Nobody is ever born with bipolar disorder. It starts usually in adolescence when people start having their own minds and especially sensitive people go through traumas because of the unnatural lives we`re living and our lack of true freedom. Even footy players are living in a cage, but some of them are more sensitive than others.

Mainstream medicine has only one purpose: to treat symptoms and fool people into peace with the system.

I would bet my bottom dollar that bipolar disorder does not exist in natural, self-reliant aboriginal communities. It all comes with the alienation caused by education, jobs and the lot.

Another master-stroke here...did it ever occur to you that 99.9% of diseases wouldn't exist in natural, self-reliant aboriginal communities? A disease isn't an issue until it is identified, by that reasoning I could argue that noone died of a stroke, heart attack, or renal failure up until the year they were identified.
 

ToiletDuck_old

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As for Tim Smoth, I'm not sure whether he suffers from bipolar type I or II. And yes 'Bipolar' is synonymous with 'manic-depression'. It is also a diagnosis which is thrown around a bit, often with people looking for a label for a certain type of behaviour. That isn't to say Tim doesn't suffer from Bipolar, as I really know nothing about him...but I'd be skeptical.

Back to league...I think he would be an awesome signing. Given options on the table at present, I'd take him in a heartbeat.
 

Jesbass_old

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I found that little debate quite interesting. Especially when there were totalitarian words being used, such as "the only way to cure", etc. I find that especially interesting because someone very close to me, who had Bipolar Type III, was fully cured, but there was absolutely no change in environment or lifestyle that was used in order to reach that result.

Anyway...

Back onto the topic at hand, the word around the traps is that this is already a done deal. Tim Smith is coming to Auckland in 2009. The club apparently wanted him to come mid-season, but he wanted to finish off his season in the ESL. The other rumour is that the club are either looking for, or may have signed, a ball playing second rower. (One and all, rejoice.)
 

Jesbass_old

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Fantastic player. When he came into first grade he was in a world of his own.

But so is Todd Carney. And in my opinion Faumuina was a good player here too.

It's a massive punt, pehaps a chance of scenery could work for him but it sort of flies in the face of the Warriors Code of Conduct Policy that they really have enforced well.

Only if his mental illness isn't being addressed. It has been a few months since he left the NRL - more than two years since he was first diagnosed with Bipolar - and the club know as well as us how it affected him on the field. They won't rush into this if there are no assurances of him getting the help, support, medication, counselling and whatever other associated support systems in place.
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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Back onto the topic at hand, the word around the traps is that this is already a done deal. Tim Smith is coming to Auckland in 2009. The club apparently wanted him to come mid-season, but he wanted to finish off his season in the ESL. The other rumour is that the club are either looking for, or may have signed, a ball playing second rower. (One and all, rejoice.)

I hope the traps are correct on this one. Smith/Moon could become quite a deadly combo.

Interested about the possibility of signing a second rower. I don't see too many available on the market or looking to get an early release, but then again the Smith thing came out of the blue so it wouldn't surprise me at all.

My only concern with signing another second rower is how that will impact on the development of Fai/Matulino, considering we've also got Lillyman on his way over and Lauaki seems to be back in favor, and will continue to be picked if he can maintain a decent standard.

Also makes me wonder where our salary cap is. I don't see us signing Smith and another second rower while keeping Witt, Rovelli, and Fien all at the club. Interesting times ahead, but I hope the Smith part is true and he is able to play to his potential over here.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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Also makes me wonder where our salary cap is. I don't see us signing Smith and another second rower while keeping Witt, Rovelli, and Fien all at the club. Interesting times ahead, but I hope the Smith part is true and he is able to play to his potential over here.

If the Tim Smith signing is confirmed, surely one of or even more of Rovelli, Witt and Fien will move on elsewhere. With Moon 'promised' the 6 jersey and Smith the logical pick in the 7!
 

Northern_Union

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Some interesting views on Bi-polar. I know a bit about it. Theres three types. Type 1, Type 2 and Cyclothymia. The old name for Bi-polar is manic depression. It can be brought on by a head injury, adolescence or hereditary.

As for Tim Smith, as some have said already, you're never cured of bi-polar but merely manage it between periods of highs and lows so i wouldn't be recommending Smith for the Warriors. Another consideration is some of the drugs can leave you very tired and drowsy as i found out when i was diagnosed with cluster headaches....and the first mediation i was prescribed left me like a zombie till mid day, another medication i tryed over a weekend left me awake for a grand total of 9 hours over 48 hours. And i know that bi-polar meds can be a lot stronger still. So all in all i think we should stare clear of Smith.
 

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