General Tim Smith

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Morningstar_old

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https://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,24145733-23214,00.html

"Smith, 23, was released by the Eels in April after going public with his health problems and joined Wigan in June on a contract which runs until the end of next year. However, he has struggled to make an impact and could be lured back to the NRL by the Warriors, who have expressed an interest in signing him.

The Warriors have done little to douse speculation their existing halves Michael Witt and Grant Rovelli are free to leave at season's end - and it is understood they have earmarked Smith as the solution to their problems."

.....Thats out of leftfield
 

JonB_old

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There is a lot to consider, especially in regards to his illness......
Bipolar type 1 which I think he has got can be a pretty horrible thing at times... Very hard to live a normal life, well impossible almost without some pretty powerful medications that have some strong side effects.
 

attila_the_gorilla

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wow that is out of left field indeed.

I don`t think the bipolar these guys have should require medication. A change of surroundings, a relaxed atmosphere, a balanced lifestyle and not paying attention to outside pressures should do the trick. Maybe coming to Auckland where he can avoid the hype is what he needs.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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I would love to have him here! Very exciting news

He's got one of the nicest passes i've seen, a good kicking game, and he's just a classy player!

The Eels have spoken about how a lot of there failure this year has come down to Tim Smith leaving, which speaks volume for the class of player he is and what he brings to a team!

If we could get him, and he wants to come, I think he would be an excellent signing!
 

KeepingTheFaith_old

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If he were able to keep his head on straight it'd be a great signing. I'm big on halves combinations that compliment each other and Smith's passing/kicking/organising would compliment Moon perfectly.

TBH though I'm not sure what to think. It's come out of nowhere and I'm not convinced Smith has gotten himself in order yet.
 

MiXmasterreece_old

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I would rather have an ethusiastic guy like Foran here who seems desperate to play for the warriors:

Foran's attitude > Smith's attitude
 

attila_the_gorilla

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I would rather have an ethusiastic guy like Foran here who seems desperate to play for the warriors:

Foran's attitude > Smith's attitude

The Warriors` cellar is stacked with desire and attitude. But those alone do not make quality players.

I`d take him in a flash, he`d be much happier here than he was in Sydney.
 

JonB_old

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wow that is out of left field indeed.

I don`t think the bipolar these guys have should require medication. A change of surroundings, a relaxed atmosphere, a balanced lifestyle and not paying attention to outside pressures should do the trick. Maybe coming to Auckland where he can avoid the hype is what he needs.

If it is Bipolar type 1 he has got it is a very serious illness.
I'm not sure what you mean by "the Bipolar these guys have" he is the only person in the NRL with it as far a I know.

https://chealth.canoe.ca/channel_co...disease_id=240&channel_id=11&relation_id=1929

Is a link to some information on the illness. Symptoms usually persist throughout someones life, people just figure out how to manage it better, usually requiring medication.

One factor that can lead to a person becoming elevated is exercise, to play in the NRL it takes a lot of it.
 

J_Hallow_old

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No thanks, i would rather not have him at the club.

If he has a problem then he should take a break from rugby league and get better.
 

Jesbass_old

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wow that is out of left field indeed.

I don`t think the bipolar these guys have should require medication. A change of surroundings, a relaxed atmosphere, a balanced lifestyle and not paying attention to outside pressures should do the trick. Maybe coming to Auckland where he can avoid the hype is what he needs.

I don't know whether he has Bipolar Type I or Type II, (definitely not Type III), but it almost always requires medication, often for life.

There's no doubting that Tim Smith is a great player, and as KTF said, he would compliment Joel Moon very well, but I'd want to somehow make sure that Tim Smith the individual is on the path to manageability, (not recovery - nobody ever truly 'recovers' from Bipolar Types I and II), before I was to consider having Tim Smith the player in our ranks.

A change of environment can certainly help, though. He'd still be away from the Sydney spotlight, but close enough to be able to visit friends and family without having to fly halfway around the world.
 

attila_the_gorilla

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I thought Andrew Johns was having the same issues. It has more to do with depression than schizophrenia.

I refuse to believe you need modern medication to deal with any psychological issue. That will just get you stuck in a way of life your body is desperately telling you to get out of.
 

Jesbass_old

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I thought Andrew Johns was having the same issues. It has more to do with depression than schizophrenia.

I refuse to believe you need modern medication to deal with any psychological issue. That will just get you stuck in a way of life your body is desperately telling you to get out of.

I see medication as a positive thing. It enables a sense of balance, which can then be used in some cases (such as depression) as a stepping stone to full recovery and removal of medication.

Medication can certainly hinder, as in the case of Bipolar Type III.

I think there's a general lack of understanding of most mental illnesses. Bipolar is the switching between hypomanic and hypermanic episodes. Essentially, the switch between chronic depression, to a complete lack of inhibitions. Extreme lows, extreme highs, nothing in between. Either swing can potentially result in actions that lead to death.
 

JonB_old

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I thought Andrew Johns was having the same issues. It has more to do with depression than schizophrenia.

I refuse to believe you need modern medication to deal with any psychological issue. That will just get you stuck in a way of life your body is desperately telling you to get out of.


Its not a psychological issue, its a Brain Chemistry issue.
 

blain91_old

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hmm, nz could be good for him, get away from everything for a bit. good player on his day.

i didnt know ravs could leave at the end of this year?
 

Jesbass_old

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Yeah, I hadn't heard that either, blain - Rovelli is contracted with the Warriors until the end of 2010. Maybe he should take a leaf out of Sonny Bill's book? :lol1:
 

pilky01_old

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some how I really doubt that Tim Smith would come to NZ, with mental illnesses one of the key elements to recovery is support, especially from friends and family. so Im assuming that he would much rather stay in sydney.... However, we dont know the in and outs of his conditions and contributing factors so possibly a change of environment like you all are saying could be just what he needs.... Would be so stoked to see him in our colours.
 

attila_the_gorilla

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Its not a psychological issue, its a Brain Chemistry issue.

Nobody is ever born with bipolar disorder. It starts usually in adolescence when people start having their own minds and especially sensitive people go through traumas because of the unnatural lives we`re living and our lack of true freedom. Even footy players are living in a cage, but some of them are more sensitive than others.

Mainstream medicine has only one purpose: to treat symptoms and fool people into peace with the system.

I would bet my bottom dollar that bipolar disorder does not exist in natural, self-reliant aboriginal communities. It all comes with the alienation caused by education, jobs and the lot.
 

Iafeta_old

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Fantastic player. When he came into first grade he was in a world of his own.

But so is Todd Carney. And in my opinion Faumuina was a good player here too.

It's a massive punt, pehaps a chance of scenery could work for him but it sort of flies in the face of the Warriors Code of Conduct Policy that they really have enforced well.