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NRL admit bunker robbed Warriors of Kata try

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NRL referees boss Tony Archer admits Warriors centre Solomone Kata shouldn't have been robbed of a crucial try in the first half of their loss to Wests Tigers on Sunday.

On-field referee Gerard Sutton initially awarded Kata a try on the final play before halftime.

However, it was overturned by the bunker, which ruled that Jordan Rankin was obstructed on the other side of the field.

The Warriors went on to lose 36-24, killing off their finals chances for 2016.Archer on Monday said there wasn't sufficient evidence to go against the on-field ruling, explaining that the contact on Rankin by the Warriors attacker was minimal.

"The determination from the bunker needs to be made as to whether or not the impact on Rankin is sufficient enough to overturn the live decision of try," Archer told NRL.com.

"Because the point of where the ball is scored over on the far side, the ability of Edwards and the other defenders to defend, I don't think there's sufficient (evidence) to overturn the live decision."So they should have confirmed the try."

Archer's admission is certain to rankle the Warriors, who were also controversially denied a second try to halfback Shaun Johnson in the second half due to an obstruction on Aaron Woods.

However, Archer stood by that decision.Warriors coach Andrew McFadden was particularly critical of the Johnson ruling post-game.

"If you play them in live motion they're just not obstruction," McFadden said.

"The second one there with Woods, he's engaged the attacker, he's never going to get Johnson there. He's just milked it."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11701645
 
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glory_hog

bunch of muppets the whole lot of them, to much fucken over analyzing the shit out of it, instead of letting common sense prevail...

ridiculous, idiotic.... every tom, dick and harry could see it was play on, Try! but not this fuckwit muppet.

lol can you tell im still pissed about it:mad:
 
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eudebrito

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Their isn’t (well, probably not) an anti-warrior lean to the calls, but does the team believe that there is?

Like, you see a call against the sharks, Gallen does a big song and dance, what about this, what about that, but he does not really look bothered, he’s just performing his whiner role.

Whereas earlier in the season Hoffman is full on lecturing the refs, on the weekend all he can do is roll his eyes in dismay. Similar to Mannering captaincy arc, by the end he didn’t even have the energy to argue.

Do they think they are playing 17 vs 20 each week, it has to be offputting to see some of the stuff that has come out this year
  • Charlie Gubb gets 7 weeks for an nothing shoulder
  • Kata will get suspended this week for putting someone down on the flat of his back, (didn’t TL do the same thing last week?) actually the judiciary fucks over every team at some point, they are absolutely insane.
  • Taking out a warrior player chasing a grubber is a penalty only, a warrior player taking someone in the same circumstances is sin bin or penalty try.
  • If an opposition player goes behind his own man leading up to a try, its fine cos the warrior initiated contact (you only have to go back to the titans game to see one of these) on the other side, its an obstruction penalty. Even the explanation for this one, ignores the initiates contact part, just mentions other tigers being available to make a tackle.
  • Various golden point “warriors should have been awarded a penalty”
You can tell the are trained to say, ‘it didn’t affect the result’, we still could have won, yada, yada, which is invariably true, but it seems to really shake them up on the field, how often do we see a meltdown after call goes against them.

Remember when they said they were going to treat refs with respect, shake their hands etc? that’s pretty clearly not going to help them. But you don’t want to go full Michael Cheika either.

Did Doyle have a falling out with Greenberg at some point, its getting ridiculous.
 
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Their isn’t (well, probably not) an anti-warrior lean to the calls, but does the team believe that there is?

Like, you see a call against the sharks, Gallen does a big song and dance, what about this, what about that, but he does not really look bothered, he’s just performing his whiner role.

Whereas earlier in the season Hoffman is full on lecturing the refs, on the weekend all he can do is roll his eyes in dismay. Similar to Mannering captaincy arc, by the end he didn’t even have the energy to argue.

Do they think they are playing 17 vs 20 each week, it has to be offputting to see some of the stuff that has come out this year
  • Charlie Gubb gets 7 weeks for an nothing shoulder
  • Kata will get suspended this week for putting someone down on the flat of his back, (didn’t TL do the same thing last week?) actually the judiciary fucks over every team at some point, they are absolutely insane.
  • Taking out a warrior player chasing a grubber is a penalty only, a warrior player taking someone in the same circumstances is sin bin or penalty try.
  • If an opposition player goes behind his own man leading up to a try, its fine cos the warrior initiated contact (you only have to go back to the titans game to see one of these) on the other side, its an obstruction penalty. Even the explanation for this one, ignores the initiates contact part, just mentions other tigers being available to make a tackle.
  • Various golden point “warriors should have been awarded a penalty”
You can tell the are trained to say, ‘it didn’t affect the result’, we still could have won, yada, yada, which is invariably true, but it seems to really shake them up on the field, how often do we see a meltdown after call goes against them.

Remember when they said they were going to treat refs with respect, shake their hands etc? that’s pretty clearly not going to help them. But you don’t want to go full Michael Cheika either.

Did Doyle have a falling out with Greenberg at some point, its getting ridiculous.

That's the thing, even if it isnt an "anti-warriors bias", It cant be easy when the opposite calls are made against you, how do you play? based on the rules? based on how the rules have been interpreted in the past? Or guessing how it may be done in the future?

That shouldn't be something the players need to care about, and shouldn't be something they get wrong due to it changing. It can't be easy having to guess that, to know that the rules interpretation may flip this week and something that cost you last week, the opposite may cost you this week.
 
Akkerz

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Is the bunker really there to get the right decision or is it's purpose more to do with manipulating teams to achieve a result?
Never trusted the bunker from day one and all these 'hiccups' only show that those within the bunker are determining the outcome of games without making it too uncomfortable for the on field refs.
More suspicious than ever when the Warriors team did not appear in the finals advertising & then a couple of dicey calls from Archer's mob ensures they wouldn't be there.
We can grizzle all we like but this is a business & all about $$$$ so with the assistance of the bunker finals positions can be pre-determined to the satisfaction of the NRL. Wouldn't mind betting the programmes are already printed. Warriors never stood a chance.
 
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eudebrito

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We can grizzle all we like but this is a business & all about $$$$ so with the assistance of the bunker finals positions can be pre-determined to the satisfaction of the NRL. Wouldn't mind betting the programmes are already printed. Warriors never stood a chance.

It’s not like Luke ‘General’ Patten is above repute, key member of the coffs harbour, cap rorting era bulldogs.

Jared Maxwell winking at the tigers in the 2011 finals

Shane Hayne telling Moylan he’ll look after him rd 26 2014 against the panthers.

If an anonymous party in Australia is willing to bug the all blacks hotel room (I still don’t know what gambling syndicate would hope to get out of that, increase your odds on a try scorer bet, maybe?) you can’t put anything past those people.

Not really serious, wouldn’t the Warriors being a bit more successful be good for their bottom line? Ex pats push the crowd numbers up a bit for finals games etc.
 
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Johnnyray

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Alright guys it took me all afternoon to find this article, so you pricks better appreciate this : ;)

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This is reader's letter that was printed in a recent issue of RLW (cover dated August 4, 2016) where Richard Whyte from Bathurst NSW wrote and I quote " Jamie Lyon's recent suggestion that the referee's were "refereeing Souths back into the game" in their last match against Manly last month isn't far fetched. I'm Souths fan. In recent years the referees have seemed less I rent on ensuring a true contest between teams. Instead, their intent seems to be to apply the rules to ensure an entertaining game right to bell - and with the penalties evenly shared, if possible. Teams that fall behind on the scoreboard regularly get in a run in their favour, especially in the latter part of the game. another good example of this was Cronulla - Brisbane game in round nine. When Brisbane were well behind on the score board they got a run of penalities to catch up and narrowly lost in exciting finish. Rugby league is now TV entertainment. It seems the application of rules have become a part of the entertainment. "

Clearly damning stuff if true and considering wider implications this could have on game if proven to be correct you would expect RLW to dismiss his letter as nothing more but classic conspiracy theories and rantings of deranged fan who can not accept that not everything in Rugby League will go his way. Instead RLW response to person letter was this :

"In our June 23 issue (of this year) we quoted a source in NRL's officiating ranks who backs you up, Richard. Our man told us that Ref's definitely do give penalities according to score line instead of going by the rule book and that get-squares occur all the time."

From this it appears to me what I had initially thought about no try awarded to Kata before half time break was true. The Bunker deliberately didn't award it as they didn't want score between us and West Tigers to blow out before half time as they simple didn't want people to switch off. Again I know saying that may sound crazy to some but to me it makes perfect sense ... :)
 
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Miket12

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When I was looking for the nrl rules for 2016 to find the answers to a question double movements, an other document came up in the google search which is how the NRL are going to interpret the rules for this year and the use of the bunker.

https://www.nrl.com/portals/nrl/Rad...s Interpretations_A4_Brochure_FA_2_Proof.pdf

What makes interesting reading is the section on the bunker. If you were thinking Klien only got the obstruction incidents wrong during the game, think again.

One of the roles for the bunker is, when time allows, to check if the on field decisions regarding restarts are correct and over rule them if they aren't. Twice the on field officials ruled line drops against us, when the ball was actually knock on by the Tigers in goal. Both times, we saw on TV the knock-ons BEFORE the line drop outs. Klien would have seen them too. Why didn't he tell the refs to change their rulings?
 
gREVUS

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I thought their involvement was changed, to limit them to what was asked only?
 
Miket12

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I thought their involvement was changed, to limit them to what was asked only?
I think you'll find that relates to when play is still continuing but they're still able to review breaks in play.
 
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Dixpat

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Twice the on field officials ruled line drops against us, when the ball was actually knock on by the Tigers in goal. Both times, we saw on TV the knock-ons BEFORE the line drop outs. Klien would have seen them too. Why didn't he tell the refs to change their rulings?

What about when we were penalised for tackling their player in the air when he was driven back into goal

He was on the ground. We were penalised. They went the length with the help of another penalty and scored
 
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1995Warriorsfan

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According to reports the Captains Challenge will be introduced for the NYC Final Series.
 
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Miket12

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According to reports the Captains Challenge will be introduced for the Final Series.
Let's make the refs more accountable for their decisions as well - if the captain's challenge finds that the ref has made a mistake, the captain gets to fire a paint ball pallet at the ref.

Actually, I liked the way hockey used their challenge system at the Olympics - each side had 1 challenge per half. If you challenged a decision and the ref was wrong, you still kept your challenge for that half. If the ref got it right, you lost the ability to challenge for the rest of that half.
 
Wellington Warrior

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Actually, I liked the way hockey used their challenge system at the Olympics - each side had 1 challenge per half. If you challenged a decision and the ref was wrong, you still kept your challenge for that half. If the ref got it right, you lost the ability to challenge for the rest of that half.
Isn't that exactly how it works??
 
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Matulino's Left Shoulder

Matulino's Left Shoulder

So these COCKSUCKERS wait until we are out of the running to introduce the Captains Challenge??

Tell me how this isn't a rigged comp.

We win the last game easy if we had 2 x challenges each per half.

Cocksuckers.
 

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