General The Bunker

[BiggerD]

I am so over the Bunker, thought it was good first now I think it has seriously damaged the game
and made so many people turn off Rugby League this year.

Rugby Union with its TMO video and decisions has the right idea.
A television match official can only rule on exactly what the referee asks them (and in most unions they can only be asked about events in-goal or immediately before entering in-goal). Television match officials are commonly used in first class and international televised games.

And they do not call a play back for Obstruction.
The obstruction law, even double movement laws need to be taken out of the NRL.
Bring back KISS to the NRL..Keep it Simple Stupids.

 

[Fazz]

The fucking obstruction rule in general has killed my interest in league (along with our continued shittness) I used to watch every NRL game, plus reserve grade and ESL. This week I watched exactly zero NRL games and didn't miss it at all.

 

[ryno]

I still think the NFL has it right with things.

Ref calls it as he says it, teams can challenge a play to try and reverse it if its a scoring act.

If you limit it to two challenges a game (you get to keep the challenge if you are successful) then the onus is on the captains and their players to use it wisely.

This should lead to less intervention from the Bunker which IMO would be a good thing.

 

[drunk_monk]

I still think the NFL has it right with things.

Ref calls it as he says it, teams can challenge a play to try and reverse it if its a scoring act.

If you limit it to two challenges a game (you get to keep the challenge if you are successful) then the onus is on the captains and their players to use it wisely.

This should lead to less intervention from the Bunker which IMO would be a good thing.

But who does that fix last night?

Tigers refer it to the Bunker, bunker over rules the try, we are int eh same shit spot where a rule that had the opposite applied a few weeks ago against the warriors is used the other way around against the warriors last night to deny them a chance for the 8.

 

[ryno]

But who does that fix last night?

Tigers refer it to the Bunker, bunker over rules the try, we are int eh same shit spot where a rule that had the opposite applied a few weeks ago against the warriors is used the other way around against the warriors last night to deny them a chance for the 8.

I was trying to keep the topic related to the bunker's involvement and not a change in obstruction rule (which I definitely think needs to happen).

If what I suggested was in place however, the Tigers could have chosen not to challenge the play if they had thought it was a bit 50/50 (to keep their 2 challenges for other things), then the on field call would have stayed a T R Y.

 

[drunk_monk]

I was trying to keep the topic related to the bunker's involvement and not a change in obstruction rule (which I definitely think needs to happen).

If what I suggested was in place however, the Tigers could have chosen not to challenge the play if they had thought it was a bit 50/50 (to keep their 2 challenges for other things), then the on field call would have stayed a T R Y.

ah fair enough, never mind me then.

 

[Dixpat]

What annoyed me about that call is, during the season, the bunker has allowed tries against us during some of the golden point games we lost because they've said one of our defenders "initiated the contact" when it looked like the defender was obstructed, yet, for both disallowed tries last night, the defender, who was supposed to be obstructed, initiated contact and our tries were disallowed.

The only thing I can think off is that their interpretation of the rule has changed or those in the bunker have no idea what they are doing.

Mike you are so correct, however the common denominator in all these calls was that the video referee in every case was Ashley Klein

I can recall two calls with tries allowed against us when he ruled the defender "initiated the contact"

There was no way known to man that Woods was ever going to get to Shaun Johnson by coming forward where he was "obstructed" as Shaun Johnson was metres back from that player and going in a different direction!!

If Archer says that this was a correct ruling then I'm giving the game away


Also Archer has stated that the Shaun Johnson call was correct but the Kata try before halftime should have stood

 

[MurrayTD]

cannot completely remember as had a couple of tubes, but wasnt it from a kick?? regardless, it wasnt from a structured play so to speak, Lisone just cant disappear, was a B/shit call and as all have alluded to, Bunker just highlights the games deficiencies, and sportsmanship at its worst.
As a rider to this, Luke's pass was welllll forward, and Manu's foot was out on the 40/20 to which we subsequently scored. So decisions evened out.

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

Good old Tony Archer has come out and said we wuz robbed. That's great you peanut head, about time you fixed this incompetent brigade you lead.

 

[Wellington Warrior]

It only took for the game immediately after the Warriors to show how much of a sham the bunker is. Souths score and its reviewed for a possible obstruction. Bunker says that the defender initiated contact so play on. Try awarded.

If ever there were 2 cases of a defender initiating contact... Rankin and Woods were them!!

 

[Wellington Warrior]

 

[snake77]

cannot completely remember as had a couple of tubes, but wasnt it from a kick?? regardless, it wasnt from a structured play so to speak, Lisone just cant disappear, was a B/shit call and as all have alluded to, Bunker just highlights the games deficiencies, and sportsmanship at its worst.
As a rider to this, Luke's pass was welllll forward, and Manu's foot was out on the 40/20 to which we subsequently scored. So decisions evened out.

Agree. If Lisone move forward out of the way he isn't helping his team and every coach would tear into him at half time. If he tried to move back into position he probably makes things worse for his side. His best bet was to stand still and like you said he can't disappear.

That decision came across like well the pass was forward but wasn't called so lets debate this until we can pull it back or find something to pull it back.

The second one really needed some common sense. Johnson was pretty deep and Woods wouldn't of got there. He initiated the contact which has been pulled up previously this season.

The Tigers are right in that you can't run behind your player but that far back who was obstructed? Woods just ran into the defender.
https://www.sportingnews.com/au/lea...-diving-suggestions/fa32f43nf9r31cw1ld4e5bjuo

Have to laugh though as Woods doesn't play for penalties.
Re-watch the first tackle of the game he was complaining about the defender laying in the ruck. He played for the penalty, didn't get it then walked over the tackler and played the ball off the mark.

Later on he got done for dropping the ball inside our 20. The reason he let go of the ball was he was fumbling around trying to get a penalty.

Ok those aren't diving which they are arguing about. But we have the Johnson try as an example of that.

 

[Wellington Warrior]

 

[Wellington Warrior]

Funnily enough he bunker didn't post any vision of the Johnson no try..

 

[snake77]

I remember that as I went on a little angry rant around the house arguing "oh he made a decision did he, where was that line of thinking 50 minutes ago".

The Bunker started off the year well enough. Round 1 the press afterwards was how much a success it was. That was to early. As the weeks went on things got worse. Now it is about the same poor level as before it was introduced. Besides being in a flash room, multiple screens on the broadcast and the commentary on the decision what has changed?

 

[wazzas]

Seriously the whole thing is fucking disgraceful. No fan is happy with how they are ruling obstruction, it ruins great moments and takes away great tries, but the problem is that there has been very little change throughout the season. I have no idea who they are trying to please, the rules also have to make the game more entertaining, at the moment they are turing fans away. I have to say rugby league has the most dumbest cu**s working for them, its as if they head down to centre link whenever they need to recruit someone and hire the person with the lowest IQ possible. Seriously sick of all this bullshit.

 

[Wellington Warrior]

Seem to have at least a few questionable decisions a round now.
I don't buy Jason Taylor's line that you have to take the good with the bad. That's the entire point of the Bunker...the same people making the decision is meant to be consistency in decision making which in reality is sadly lacking!
Nice that Archer apologises for their constant cock ups that almost always seem to be impacting only the Warriors!!

 

[Wellington Warrior]

A former referee (makes it clear he hates Archer in his many entertaining tweets)

 

[wazzas]

A former referee (makes it clear he hates Archer in his many entertaining tweets)

He tweeted Archer forced him out at the beginning of the year unfairly. He also said Archer covered up a seven tackle moment in last year prelim final between Storm and Cowboys. Another thing he tweeted was if people found out how Archer got his job it would bring the game into disrepute, clearly he hates him.

 

[snake77]

I have to say rugby league has the most dumbest cu**s working for them

The best quote I have heard is the professional game but it run by amatuers. Rugby was for a long time the amateur game run by professionals.

We have a lot of jobs for the boys in league. When a guy comes in and runs it like a business people decide the guy needs tearing down.

The rules of the game are pretty simple it is one of the things League has going for it. We should have a sport like football where the ball is in play for long periods and the two teams sort out the result. We have got into a situation where there is so much pressure to get the right call and everything is magnified so much with negativity with the commentators, media all crucifying the officiating.

Don't get me wrong I'm still mad at the rulings yesterday and every call that screws us. But just pointing out how big an issue we have and it won't be an easy fix.