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[STEEDEN]

Andrew McFadden questions NRL Bunker following Ryan Hoffman incident.


Andrew McFadden is the latest NRL coach to question why refs aren’t using the sin bin to punish players for professional fouls.

And after watching his side escape with a thrilling 32-28 victory, the Warriors coach also became the latest to agree tight finishes remain a lottery - because of the reluctance to blow penalties for offside that could determine the result.

Ryan Hoffman was denied a chance to score midway through the first half yesterday after being held back by Aidan Guerra in what was a deadset sin binning offence.

The Warriors ended up getting the penalty that allowed them a shot at goal to claim the lead _ but McFadden was adamant if it didn’t warrant an eight-point try, then the sin bin should have been used.

“If there is a time to use the bin, to me, that is the time,’ McFadden said.

“When you purposely hold someone off the ball, if it is not a penalty try to me that is something that has got to be looked at.

“Otherwise it is open slather, isn’t it.”

Hoffman also questioned on the field why the bunker wasn’t used to determine if the Roosters should have been penalised when Johnson attempted his field goal shot in the dying stages.

While the referee went to the bunker to determine if Shaun Johnson’s field goal made it over the posts, they did not check to see if the Roosters were offside despite Hoffman’s plea.

“I was questioning if that could be checked on by the video ref but he said it was alright,” Hoffman said.

Asked for his thoughts, McFadden said: “I don’t really want to comment too much because I think every team in that position is almost offside.

“Yeah, it is a bit of a tough part of the game.

“I understand with the referees, they don’t want to decide a game so I am not sure what the solution is there.”

But there have been several coaches this season including who have called for referees to act with the sin bin and the end of golden point.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...5f8b0557cc646ac67da1a9d983d14?from=public_rss

 

[STEEDEN]

Green slams NRL bunker


Premiership coach Paul Green has labelled referees boss Tony Archer “the minister for justification” as disillusion with the NRL’s bunker potential as a cure all mounts.

Cronulla mentor Shane Flanagan was highly critical of the central command centre for the second time in five days when he slammed two controversial decisions in his team’s win over Wests Tigers on Saturday.

And North Queensland coach Green weighed in for the second time in nine days on Sunday, still incensed at number of bunker decisions that went against the Cowboys in the previous round golden points loss to Brisbane.

“Asked in a radio interview if he had faith in the newly-implemented bunker to make the correct decisions, Green answered simply: “No”.

“There is no consistency in their decision making and they are getting some big decisions wrong,” he told Triple M.

“And one thing I want to know is why they call it the bunker … Who are they are at war with? The coaches?”

Green didn’t stop there, lining up Archer for special mention.

“Tony is doing his best, he does get back to you … eventually,” Green said.

“But I am tempted to call him the minister for justification, because that is how I feel after talking to him.

“I look at it and wonder if it is the same footage I am looking at with the decisions they come up with.

“The obstruction rule, you could talk about that all day. I am confused about it and I wonder how the fans feel.

“We want consistency and accountability, that is the main things as coaches we want to see.

“It is frustrating and I am sure other coaches feel the same way.”

https://www.theroar.com.au/2016/04/...heroar/rugby-league+(The+Roar+-+Rugby+League)

 

[Miket12]

Already been posted on a couple of other threads but, after the no penalty try, or at least send off on the weekend, it looks like Stevie's still liking his new job:

Thanks again to mt.wellington for originally posting this!!

 

[bruce]

Premiership coach Paul Green has labelled referees boss Tony Archer “the minister for justification” as disillusion with the NRL’s bunker potential as a cure all mounts.

Years ago when I was in Sydney they were having the afternoon talkback. They were talking to Mick Stone who was then the referees boss. He was classic Minister of Justification. He had a smooth answer for everything, he was so boring they just had to get him out of there. Like I posted before I am sure it was Tony Archer who was such a thick greaser that his Police boss gave him the answers to his promotion exam. I wonder how he got this job now?

 

[Gizzyfan]

The Bunker, great film about the last days of the 3rd Reich and the associated nonsensical decision making based on skewed rationale. I can see where the NRL got the idea for their Bunker.

By that decision not to sin bin Guerra they may have opened up a whole lot of hurt for themselves.

 

[Wellington Warrior]

The Bunker, great film about the last days of the 3rd Reich and the associated nonsensical decision making based on skewed rationale. I can see where the NRL got the idea for their Bunker.

By that decision not to sin bin Guerra they may have opened up a whole lot of hurt for themselves.

On the news tonight they said the Bunker officials had backed their decision...because you have to take into account bounce of the ball etc. what a load of BS!!!!!!!

 

[KiwiWarrior]

On the news tonight they said the Bunker officials had backed their decision...because you have to take into account bounce of the ball etc. what a load of BS!!!!!!![/QUOTE
They had to take into account that it was the Warriors!

 

[Iafetas Kickstand Wang]

On the news tonight they said the Bunker officials had backed their decision...because you have to take into account bounce of the ball etc. what a load of BS!!!!!!!

For the penalty try? I don't disagree on that... but that doesn't mean Guerra's play isn't extremely cynical and a definite professional foul. He should've been sin-binned. If the Bunker and Tony Archer really believe they got it right, then Paul Green's comments are spot on - Archer is the minister of justification.

 

[mt.wellington]

On the news tonight they said the Bunker officials had backed their decision...because you have to take into account bounce of the ball etc. what a load of BS!!!!!!!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dont get me started

Lucky we won or it'll need to be a real bunker with the bombs Id drop on them...

 

[STEEDEN]

It’s official. The NRL has no more send-offs anymore and no more penalty tries.

Yesterday there appeared to be a blatant penalty try when Ryan Hoffman looked to have scored his second try for the Warriors only for Aiden Guerra to tackle him without the ball.

The NRL Bunker ruled it was not a penalty try.

”Poor old bunker… in the first two weeks it was the best thing we’d ever seen and now it’s become a punchline,” joked Matty Johns, on the Triple M Grill Team.

https://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/s...rs-ryan-hoffman-penalty-try-against-roosters/

 

[mt.wellington]

Tony Archer “the minister for justification”

Blah blah blah. Wouldnt have admitted that if we had of lost...

Referees' boss admits wrong call made
Mon 4th April, 10:53PM
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NRL referees' boss Tony Archer has admitted Sydney Roosters forward Aidan Guerra should have been sinbinned when he impeded Vodafone Warriors captain Ryan Hoffman in yesterday's fifth-round NRL clash in Gosford.

Hoffman was hunting down a try from a Jeff Robson grubber kick midway through the first half when he was held back by Guerra.

There were calls for a penalty try in some quarters while many other analysts contended Guerra should have been sinbinned at least.

After being referred to the NRL Bunker, only a penalty was awarded to the Vodafone Warriors.

Archer today conceded the wrong decision had been made. Watch his explanation.

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/04/04/referees_boss_admits.html

 

[Draw and Pass]

Blah blah blah. Wouldnt have admitted that if we had of lost...

Referees' boss admits wrong call made
Mon 4th April, 10:53PM
[parsehtml]<script height="349px" width="620px" src="https://player.ooyala.com/iframe.js#pbid=fd5fc71d2bcc4b60a622cf8d3348d605&ec=A3MHBrMjE68U0g48_cbw4MLw0kSBVB75"></script>[/parsehtml]NRL referees' boss Tony Archer has admitted Sydney Roosters forward Aidan Guerra should have been sinbinned when he impeded Vodafone Warriors captain Ryan Hoffman in yesterday's fifth-round NRL clash in Gosford.

Hoffman was hunting down a try from a Jeff Robson grubber kick midway through the first half when he was held back by Guerra.

There were calls for a penalty try in some quarters while many other analysts contended Guerra should have been sinbinned at least.

After being referred to the NRL Bunker, only a penalty was awarded to the Vodafone Warriors.

Archer today conceded the wrong decision had been made. Watch his explanation.

https://www.warriors.kiwi/news/2016/04/04/referees_boss_admits.html

It's all well and good to admit they should've made a call but come next round all will be forgotten and they'll make equally shitty calls

 

[Gizzyfan]

Hopefully we get an even up game from the officials this week.

 

[drake83]

We were all thinking penalty try or a sin bin why can't these picks think that at the time too.

 

[Danpatmac]

so what is the actual rule?

The whole argument that a penalty try can only be given if 'there is no doubt he would have scored' seems bullshit to me.

Surely a penalty try isn't only replacing a try that wasn't scored but also punishing cynical and blatant denial of an obvious opportunity to score a try?

Why do you need to be 100% sure they would have scored, surely cynically denying someone the opportunity needs a stronger deterrent?

 

[Gizzyfan]

so what is the actual rule?

The whole argument that a penalty try can only be given if 'there is no doubt he would have scored' seems bullshit to me.

Surely a penalty try isn't only replacing a try that wasn't scored but also punishing cynical and blatant denial of an obvious opportunity to score a try?

Why do you need to be 100% sure they would have scored, surely cynically denying someone the opportunity needs a stronger deterrent?

I think it is 'if a try would probably be scored'. Very close to it that incident. Actually I don't have too much of a problem with it not being awarded, but the obstruction was certainly enough for a sin bin. They admit that, but luckily the Warriors won the game. Can you imagine the outcry if we lost. Or even worse a Sydney team against any non Sydney team.

It is a worrisome trend that the Officials and teams are not on the same wavelength. It is only going to cause more problems. The NRL needs to become more proactive on this. They are Managers of the game, so start fucking managing. The easiest thing to manage is good performance. Good Managers, (insert photo of Jim Doyle) manage bad performance well.

Smith was appointed because they wanted someone from the outside who wasn't 'owned' by the NRL power brokers. Those same power brokers now have their man in Greenberg. Sydney is not about to relinquish control any time soon.

 

[Fazz]

It's all well and good to admit they should've made a call but come next round all will be forgotten and they'll make equally shitty calls

Exactly. I'm incredibly sick of 'sorry guys, we'll get it right next time' from the NRL when they never seem to get it right on the day.

It's always a case that they will react to a Sunday incident by overreacting to anything similar on the Monday following.

And would you look at that ... last night somebody was sinbinned for a play that was arguably less cynical and less influential to a possible try than Guerra's play on Hoffman.

 

[Marshthedarsh]

And would you look at that ... last night somebody was sinbinned for a play that was arguably less cynical and less influential to a possible try than Guerra's play on Hoffman.

Matty Johns said it looked like a reaction because of Guerra on Sunday, but I think there was just a more competent referee in the bunker last night. Unless it was the same person...

I would have said Penalty Try, would have accepted a sin bin. I know mistakes get made but sometimes it's so obvious that you don't understand how they missed it.

 

[eudebrito]

Matty Johns said it looked like a reaction because of Guerra on Sunday, but I think there was just a more competent referee in the bunker last night. Unless it was the same person...

I would have said Penalty Try, would have accepted a sin bin. I know mistakes get made but sometimes it's so obvious that you don't understand how they missed it.

Isn’t it always Luke “the general” Patten? Implicated in the coffs habour bulldogs scandal lest we forget.

I find it funny when it’s an easy one, they’ll happily talk through clearing the onside, clear the grounding and go to the board. Great process!

When it’s a 50/50 they go silent until they go to the board with some arbitrary call.

Would have more respect for them if they just said, “Thurston has knocked that ball on, going to the board”, or “Guerra has only minor interference, Hoffman not that likely to have scored, penalty only”

"can't see if Kenny-Dowell has touched that ball, award the try"

It might go against what one set of fans might think but at least its clear.

 

[Sup42]

I took from Tony Archer 'its only a penalty try if the player has control of the ball' to mean......a player will have to be holding the ball when illegally interfered with.....that scenario ......only allows for dirty tackles that cause the playerto drop a ball.