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Storm vs Warriors Gameday Chatter [Round 7, 2022]
Warriors assistant coach Justin Morgan says defence inside the red zone has been impressive this year and that's down to the players' attitudes.i.stuff.co.nz
My thoughts? The Storm will win the 6-again count by 8-2, or similar leading to a comfortable final margin.
Why will the 6-again count be so lopsided? Cheating NRL refs? Well, I don't believe so.
The reason we keep losing the 6-again count is not so much that the storm lay all over us (which they blatantly always do), it's the fact that we always let them! Our guys often show no urgency to get to their feet to play the ball, therefore making it very easy for the ref to let the opposition lay all over us without calling 6 again. When the Storm players are tackled they are constantly fighting to be allowed to quickly play the ball, this forces the ref to decide if the player is impeded pretty much every tackle.
This is not rocket science, not sure why this isn't being coached that we at least need to make a big show of fighting to quickly play the ball otherwise this stat will never even up. Maybe this is purely down to fitness that we are too gassed to fight to get up each tackle?
We saw this last week v the roosters that they were fighting to quickly play the ball each tackle leading to them steamrolloling us through the middle each set while when we were tackled we were content to flail around uselessly on the ground, have a quick cup of tea before leisurely playing the ball therefore losing all forward momentum in the process....
Yep, 8-2 until the 75 minute mark when the games beyond doubt, then the ref will blow 4 square up penalties to make sure the counts not too lopsided by the end of the game! Nrl refereeing 101 👍My thoughts? The Storm will win the 6-again count by 8-2, or similar leading to a comfortable final margin.
Bit tough on Morgan.Yeap all about players attitude
Not about the defence coach cause they don’t have one
Let’s see how we go tonight before letting Morgan off, I don’t rate him at all. Time will tell………Bit tough on Morgan.
I'm actually pleased it has come right, coaches that can change, adapt, adjust, when things are off are in limited supply in sport.
What I think I have been watching this year, is that the players have had a good attitude to one on one defence, but is has appeared as though the structure was horribly wrong.
I suspect, our players have struggled a bit to understand how to play together, especially the miss timing with people jamming in on the edges.
I am just glad they didn't quit till they got used to it.
They seem to have decided not to back off....which is the Warriors mental problem....somethings not working....back off into a Grey no man's land of uncertainty and neither commit....or spread and scramble.
Instead they have guys flying up and in like Kosi, or attacking the grubber kicks from the wing.
I don't miss Ken and Fusitua backing off and looking like they don't know what the hell to do....or turning slowly and chasing a grubber that's got past them.
Hopefully tonight the Storms total fluke kick plays don't come into it.
Hopefully the total randomness of a bouncing ball finally doesn't betray us in one of these games.
The tactic I've noticed the top teams use is they stack the ruck laying two defenders on top of the ball carrier. when the ref calls to get off man on top waits as long as he can before getting off, this give the man underneath an excuse to be in the tackle longer as he has to wait anyway and can't be penalised as he has to wait. The ref can't complain as they start to clear ruck when he ordered them to... smart and sneaky.To be fair to the Warriors, they shouldn't need to 'milk' the ruck in the first place, if we all can see the disparity in time held down.
I used to be a fan of fighting to get up, but the Aussies just ignore it and call 'milking'.
Ball security is the main reason I don't like it anymore, because the Aussies turn a blind eye to hands in the ruck, you are dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't.
They ignore crowding the ptb and a stray knee, or a stray foot too.
Unfortunately against the Roosters, and tonight against the Storm, the line speed is such, that we lose the collision which also compounds the ptb (play the ball) speed.
Not having a go at your argument, I think you make a lot of good points, and you're right about what you say....it's just not straight forward.
The game plan we have succeeded against the Storm with, is what you are talking about, neutralizing the wrestle with fast ptb speed.
They do this by using direct from dummy half running, pick up and go....surrender on your front....pick and go again.....throw an offload late in the tackle count.....the Storm can't slow the ruck down because they can't get three men in a surrender tackle.
Montoya fights on the ground, I guess they could all learn to do it....it's a lost art here...coached out in favor of a mistake free ptb.
If we sought our middle defence, we can defend like a top four side and risk the odd turn over from doing the funky worm on the ground.