Gameday Storm vs Warriors Gameday Chatter [Round 7, 2022]

[mt.wellington]

Storm vs Warriors Gameday Chatter [Round 7, 2022]

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[DallyM]

Oh it's game day lol... Thought it was Sunday for some reason, hate these long waits and we still have to wait till midnight lol.... Go Warriors...

 

[Canadian_WarriorFan]

Warriors make changes as goal line defence expected to be tested by Storm onslaught

Warriors assistant coach Justin Morgan says defence inside the red zone has been impressive this year and that's down to the players' attitudes.

i.stuff.co.nz

 

[Beastmode]

Warriors make changes as goal line defence expected to be tested by Storm onslaught

Warriors assistant coach Justin Morgan says defence inside the red zone has been impressive this year and that's down to the players' attitudes.

i.stuff.co.nz

Yeap all about players attitude

Not about the defence coach cause they don’t have one

 

[Once A Warrior]

Finally game day! Hopefully this wait is not for a complete blowout by the storm.

I know it's a real fine line but I think the warriors need to target thier halves. Put some heat on them when they are kicking and send Forwards at them all day, don't let them dictate play.

Especially Jazz and Curren, lead the line speed tonight. Also looking for Walsh pushing up around the forwards on yardage.

Can take a respectful loss but we are due one.

LEST WE FORGET

 

[Sledge]

Nice of the NRL to once again look after it’s Kiwi audience ffs, why couldn’t it be on around 4pm?

 

[Once A Warrior]

Nice of the NRL to once again look after it’s Kiwi audience ffs, why couldn’t it me on around 4pm?

Agree! Roosters Dragons should he swapped around. In saying that doesn't the stadium look beautiful at night on these games.

 

[j-bob]

Yeap all about players attitude

Not about the defence coach cause they don’t have one

Let’s blame the players attitude to what has been a shit defensive system.

 

[kiwiborn91]

We are well and truly due for a win against them and this will be so good for our boys who are improving week on week! We need to bring the belief and the energy and we will be in this!

LETS GONE WARRIORS! Let’s get that W!


LEST WE FORGET

 

[roadrunner]

Yea sooner the better but we have to knock off one of these top 6 sides to prove a point.If we can show some mongrel and not get smashed as in the past Tuesday will be an ok day at work.

 

[Canonball]

Hope this game has been a target for the team, and that the roosters game was a descent dress rehearsal for this one - you’d think so, right?

Less’go/more gone

 

[Sol Man]

My thoughts? The Storm will win the 6-again count by 8-2, or similar leading to a comfortable final margin.

Why will the 6-again count be so lopsided? Cheating NRL refs? Well, I don't believe so.

The reason we keep losing the 6-again count is not so much that the storm lay all over us (which they blatantly always do), it's the fact that we always let them! Our guys often show no urgency to get to their feet to play the ball, therefore making it very easy for the ref to let the opposition lay all over us without calling 6 again. When the Storm players are tackled they are constantly fighting to be allowed to quickly play the ball, this forces the ref to decide if the player is impeded pretty much every tackle.

This is not rocket science, not sure why this isn't being coached that we at least need to make a big show of fighting to quickly play the ball otherwise this stat will never even up. Maybe this is purely down to fitness that we are too gassed to fight to get up each tackle?

We saw this last week v the roosters that they were fighting to quickly play the ball each tackle leading to them steamrolloling us through the middle each set while when we were tackled we were content to flail around uselessly on the ground, have a quick cup of tea before leisurely playing the ball therefore losing all forward momentum in the process....

 

[Sup42]

My thoughts? The Storm will win the 6-again count by 8-2, or similar leading to a comfortable final margin.

Why will the 6-again count be so lopsided? Cheating NRL refs? Well, I don't believe so.

The reason we keep losing the 6-again count is not so much that the storm lay all over us (which they blatantly always do), it's the fact that we always let them! Our guys often show no urgency to get to their feet to play the ball, therefore making it very easy for the ref to let the opposition lay all over us without calling 6 again. When the Storm players are tackled they are constantly fighting to be allowed to quickly play the ball, this forces the ref to decide if the player is impeded pretty much every tackle.

This is not rocket science, not sure why this isn't being coached that we at least need to make a big show of fighting to quickly play the ball otherwise this stat will never even up. Maybe this is purely down to fitness that we are too gassed to fight to get up each tackle?

We saw this last week v the roosters that they were fighting to quickly play the ball each tackle leading to them steamrolloling us through the middle each set while when we were tackled we were content to flail around uselessly on the ground, have a quick cup of tea before leisurely playing the ball therefore losing all forward momentum in the process....

To be fair to the Warriors, they shouldn't need to 'milk' the ruck in the first place, if we all can see the disparity in time held down.

I used to be a fan of fighting to get up, but the Aussies just ignore it and call 'milking'.

Ball security is the main reason I don't like it anymore, because the Aussies turn a blind eye to hands in the ruck, you are dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't.

They ignore crowding the ptb and a stray knee, or a stray foot too.

Unfortunately against the Roosters, and tonight against the Storm, the line speed is such, that we lose the collision which also compounds the ptb (play the ball) speed.

Not having a go at your argument, I think you make a lot of good points, and you're right about what you say....it's just not straight forward.

The game plan we have succeeded against the Storm with, is what you are talking about, neutralizing the wrestle with fast ptb speed.

They do this by using direct from dummy half running, pick up and go....surrender on your front....pick and go again.....throw an offload late in the tackle count.....the Storm can't slow the ruck down because they can't get three men in a surrender tackle.

Montoya fights on the ground, I guess they could all learn to do it....it's a lost art here...coached out in favor of a mistake free ptb.

If we sought our middle defence, we can defend like a top four side and risk the odd turn over from doing the funky worm on the ground.

 

[6Again]

My thoughts? The Storm will win the 6-again count by 8-2, or similar leading to a comfortable final margin.

Yep, 8-2 until the 75 minute mark when the games beyond doubt, then the ref will blow 4 square up penalties to make sure the counts not too lopsided by the end of the game! Nrl refereeing 101

 

[Cces]

Some insights I've found while waiting for game day:

- The Warriors current points differential of -3 is exactly the same as it was after Round 6 in 2021.
- The Warriors haven't played a game on a Monday since 2016 but have won 6 of their last 8 on the day.
- The Warriors have lost 11 straight against the Storm with the average scoreline 11-32.
- Referee Liam Kennedy will control his 14th NRL match tonight & his first since 2019. Neither team has been refereed by him before. The home team have won 5 straight games under him & have an overall win rate of 77%.
- Prior to Round 7 the Storm had scored 2 more tries that any other team in the middle third of the field this season with 10. This is equal to the amount they've scored on each of the left & the right showcasing the most balanced attack in the competition.

 

[janfin]

We can do this .Kia Kaha just like everyone who stayed strong during those formidable years .The sign is up. Let’s go Warriors .

 

[Sup42]

Yeap all about players attitude

Not about the defence coach cause they don’t have one

Bit tough on Morgan.

I'm actually pleased it has come right, coaches that can change, adapt, adjust, when things are off are in limited supply in sport.

What I think I have been watching this year, is that the players have had a good attitude to one on one defence, but is has appeared as though the structure was horribly wrong.

I suspect, our players have struggled a bit to understand how to play together, especially the miss timing with people jamming in on the edges.

I am just glad they didn't quit till they got used to it.

They seem to have decided not to back off....which is the Warriors mental problem....somethings not working....back off into a Grey no man's land of uncertainty and neither commit....or spread and scramble.

Instead they have guys flying up and in like Kosi, or attacking the grubber kicks from the wing.

I don't miss Ken and Fusitua backing off and looking like they don't know what the hell to do....or turning slowly and chasing a grubber that's got past them.

Hopefully tonight the Storms total fluke kick plays don't come into it.

Hopefully the total randomness of a bouncing ball finally doesn't betray us in one of these games.

 

[Sledge]

Bit tough on Morgan.

I'm actually pleased it has come right, coaches that can change, adapt, adjust, when things are off are in limited supply in sport.

What I think I have been watching this year, is that the players have had a good attitude to one on one defence, but is has appeared as though the structure was horribly wrong.

I suspect, our players have struggled a bit to understand how to play together, especially the miss timing with people jamming in on the edges.

I am just glad they didn't quit till they got used to it.

They seem to have decided not to back off....which is the Warriors mental problem....somethings not working....back off into a Grey no man's land of uncertainty and neither commit....or spread and scramble.

Instead they have guys flying up and in like Kosi, or attacking the grubber kicks from the wing.

I don't miss Ken and Fusitua backing off and looking like they don't know what the hell to do....or turning slowly and chasing a grubber that's got past them.

Hopefully tonight the Storms total fluke kick plays don't come into it.

Hopefully the total randomness of a bouncing ball finally doesn't betray us in one of these games.

Let’s see how we go tonight before letting Morgan off, I don’t rate him at all. Time will tell………

 

[JaggedJ]

Storm by 20

 

[Coops]

To be fair to the Warriors, they shouldn't need to 'milk' the ruck in the first place, if we all can see the disparity in time held down.

I used to be a fan of fighting to get up, but the Aussies just ignore it and call 'milking'.

Ball security is the main reason I don't like it anymore, because the Aussies turn a blind eye to hands in the ruck, you are dammed if you do, and dammed if you don't.

They ignore crowding the ptb and a stray knee, or a stray foot too.

Unfortunately against the Roosters, and tonight against the Storm, the line speed is such, that we lose the collision which also compounds the ptb (play the ball) speed.

Not having a go at your argument, I think you make a lot of good points, and you're right about what you say....it's just not straight forward.

The game plan we have succeeded against the Storm with, is what you are talking about, neutralizing the wrestle with fast ptb speed.

They do this by using direct from dummy half running, pick up and go....surrender on your front....pick and go again.....throw an offload late in the tackle count.....the Storm can't slow the ruck down because they can't get three men in a surrender tackle.

Montoya fights on the ground, I guess they could all learn to do it....it's a lost art here...coached out in favor of a mistake free ptb.

If we sought our middle defence, we can defend like a top four side and risk the odd turn over from doing the funky worm on the ground.

The tactic I've noticed the top teams use is they stack the ruck laying two defenders on top of the ball carrier. when the ref calls to get off man on top waits as long as he can before getting off, this give the man underneath an excuse to be in the tackle longer as he has to wait anyway and can't be penalised as he has to wait. The ref can't complain as they start to clear ruck when he ordered them to... smart and sneaky.