Internationals Spoilers: New Zealand -V- England

Jesbass_old

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And I agree on Shane Hayne skinny... I'm not into bagging refs, but it seemed like he started off making the correct calls... but he had the pressure of England complaining about NRL refs, and probably had England in his ear complaining about bias... so some of the "50/50" calls he gave against NZ were actually just outright wrong.

Vatuvei being taken out in the corner was a shocker, but I wasn't surprised to see it let go after Issac Luke's dive last week. Ultimately I think England is gonna have a massive whinge about Shane Hayne and NRL refs, but he was calling it their way from about the 30min mark onwards.

Also, Hohaia's little brain explosion was just stupid... he'd made two shockers in a row, and was getting a helping hand from the referee to fix up his second one, why go stuff that up? It was like he was intent on having a shocker.

Speaking of shockers, how poor was Gardner tonight?

Nah mate, Hayne was hopeless for both sides. What about Burrow being called back from an open try line when we'd knocked it on, just so that he (Burrow) could feed a scrum? Hayne had some shocking calls, and both teams suffered as a result.
 

Esoj_old

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gardner was simply shocking a night to forgot for him. overall we did enough to win but there were definitely some patchy moments in there. the try just before halftime should never have happened and also falling asleep with that short kickoff with about 10 to go in the second half are errors we definitely cannot afford against australia. handling was another big issue coughed up a lot of ball and against australia we can't afford to do that if we want to win the game next week. leuluai was pretty good at 9 I thought and possibly even outplayed luke which was surprising. Mannering not outsanding but not poor, I still think he would be better off in the backrow with inu in the centres. Shane Hayne had a very up and down night reffing the game, he made some good calls but then some outright shockers like manu being taken out and calling england back for that knock on instead of playing advantage. his performance though was still well above what ganson and the klown have come up with in this tournament.
 
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daj3_old

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Shot Esoj, I agree...

Yeah JB, he did have a shocking game both ways, I meant to phrase it that way... he did seem to have a spel of picking on England to begin the match, then followed up with a harsh 20-30 minutes against NZ though. Fair enough though, refs tend to get judged on the penalty count these days unfortunately, so you have to give a few calls either way when you're not 100% sure.

Just saying that we'll probably hear all about the bias/inferiority of NRL refs in the coming week but the reality is that England had a few calls go their way too. And a lot of the calls that English guys in the pub complained about were the right calls, and Hayne called them on either side... they actually had a fit about the English try that got denied! It was plain as day! They reckoned Hayne was on the case of the English too, because he called them up on sloppy play the balls and forward passes... well excuse me guys, but you can't pass forwards in rugby league, and you've got to place the ball on the ground and roll it back with your foot. Basic stuff.
 
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Esoj_old

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Not that NZ's passing or play the balls were much better mind...

we definitely had some shockers tonight. that is definitely another area where we have to be good to challenge australia next week. I love vatuvei as much as anyone but he should never be trying to make a pass from dummy half on the 5th tackle.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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gardner was simply shocking a night to forgot for him. overall we did enough to win but there were definitely some patchy moments in there. the try just before halftime should never have happened and also falling asleep with that short kickoff with about 10 to go in the second half are errors we definitely cannot afford against australia. handling was another big issue coughed up a lot of ball and against australia we can't afford to do that if we want to win the game next week. leuluai was pretty good at 9 I thought and possibly even outplayed luke which was surprising. Mannering not outsanding but not poor, I still think he would be better off in the backrow with inu in the centres. Shane Hayne had a very up and down night reffing the game, he made some good calls but then some outright shockers like manu being taken out and calling england back for that knock on instead of playing advantage. his performance though was still well above what ganson and the klown have come up with in this tournament.


Listening to the Aussie commentators through the match, they seemed to be talking up some of the England guys like Pryce and Gardner and both were quite ordinary I thought. They had some good performers there England, much like we did but our players just had enough to get over the line. Definitely a close game but we nearly lost it all on our own just from lack of simple stuff.

And you seem mightly confident the Aussies will account for Fiji in the seocnd semi..heh heh
 

JonB_old

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Didn't anyone else think that the Poms looked slow, lethargic and boring?

I am glad they are not my team.
 

Kid-Dynamite_old

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I think after copping a bit of flack for some selections this week, Kearney needs to be given some credit!

Great win by the boys....and bring on Aussie :tape: (or Fiji :D) in the final!
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Well it all worked out pretty much in the end.

England did look a bit out of sorts but they definitely did better, and despite not having the same attacking abilites of a team like the Australians, they showed some bite on us and we did almost stuff it up ourselves
 

daj3_old

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And JB, I thought the Hohaia knockon that got called back to the scrum was a bit of a shocker. But Hayne had already blown the whistle. Initially I thought it looked like Hohaia could easily have regathered the ball, but gave up when he heard the whistle... the replay showed otherwise, but I can understand how Hayne got it wrong. You can't be blowing your whistle, and then letting a team take the advantage, it's unfair to the other team. And while it was a bit premature of Hayne to blow the whistle, it looked like Hohaia made a fumble then was gonna regather it and try play on.
 

Skinny_Ravs82

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Funny you should mentione that actually daj3, coz I can remember quite well in a Warriors v Eels game last year, where there was a simialr incident to the Hohaia one you mentioned. The eels player carrying the ball was tackled and the ball spilt out and it looked like he knocked it on, or it went backwards, one of the Warriors players picked up the loose ball and tried to play on, it was called back and the ball still was given to the Warriors because of the knock on from the Eels player and in that instance I think the ref may have blowen the whistle already before the Warriors player took off
 

Jesbass_old

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And JB, I thought the Hohaia knockon that got called back to the scrum was a bit of a shocker. But Hayne had already blown the whistle. Initially I thought it looked like Hohaia could easily have regathered the ball, but gave up when he heard the whistle... the replay showed otherwise, but I can understand how Hayne got it wrong. You can't be blowing your whistle, and then letting a team take the advantage, it's unfair to the other team. And while it was a bit premature of Hayne to blow the whistle, it looked like Hohaia made a fumble then was gonna regather it and try play on.

Yeah, the howler was that he blew the whistle so prematurely. The first thing I got taught in refereeing Kiwi-Tag is to lean back on the "play on" call. Sure, the game is slightly different, albeit not by much, and the age group was geared towards beginners, but if a player knocks the ball on, it's only supposed to be a scrum to the opposition if he or a team mate collects the ball and tries to carry on playing. If the opposition gets the ball, it should be play on. We're the free-flowing game, and as such, we shouldn't be taking on the pedantic "penalise everything" approach that union favours.