Player Sam Tomkins

bruce

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Tomkins saying the side was undisciplined when he arrived isn't surprising. He even wrote articles or was quoted that while he was here. He also mentioned it was improving under McFadden.

The key questions are:

What was it like when he left?
Did he believe it was improving or was that something to say to the media to get some positive media coverage after a coaching change?
Who knows? All I know is that swapping Sam for Roger Tuivasa-Sheck was one of the few things that JD has done right. Sam is history like every English player that has been at the club. We should stay away from them.
 
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He is slowly recovering from his disastrous OE - what the fuck is wrong with this club?
Ask any islander with zero vested interest in the club what the problem is with the warriors and they all the same thing. You don't have to prompt them at all. They are quite happy to give their opinion.

Guys who play with their bodies and not their brains. They always go for the big collision instead of trying to put a man into space... Same with defence. They look for the big hit and forget to hold the line.

If you've got more than a quarter of you're team with this mentality you ain't winning jack shit. And if you're reason for living is to win, playing for the warriors will be very depressing indeed...
 
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Ask any islander with zero vested interest in the club what the problem is with the warriors and they all the same thing. You don't have to prompt them at all. They are quite happy to give their opinion.

Guys who play with their bodies and not their brains. They always go for the big collision instead of trying to put a man into space... Same with defence. They look for the big hit and forget to hold the line.

If you've got more than a quarter of you're team with this mentality you ain't winning jack shit. And if you're reason for living is to win, playing for the warriors will be very depressing indeed...
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I meant the Warriors not the NRL. We haven't had one decent Pom, although Tompkins could be described as half decent.
Tomkins went ok, didn't match the hype and had injuries however he wasn't as bad as some make out. How about decent outside backs from the Super League? I'm probably missing someone obvious however I struggle to come up with any decent players since the days of Offiah and Connolly.
 
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can't think of anyone. Seems to have been more of there forwards that have made an impact in the NRL
Which is why when I think about signings like Hiku I draw no comfort from the fact he went alright in that competition. Surely his more recent form for the Panthers is most relevant - and that was for mostly pretty ordinary. Similarly does anyone really see Gelling as NRL quality? I guess if there are fitness concerns then his signing makes sense for depth.
 
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Spoke to a member of the warriors coaching staff a couple of years back and he said they were shocked how weak tomkins was when he arrived- esp in the lower body- apparently they tend to skip legs day in the U.K.
He said he had great speed and evasion but no power through the legs which is why u kept seeing him get pulled down by an arm or the jersey- he could find a hole but didn't have the power to pull through it.
 
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bruce

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Spoke to a member of the warriors coaching staff a couple of years back and he said they were shocked how weak tomkins was when he arrived- esp in the lower body- apparently they tend to skip legs day in the U.K.
...and he won their bloody Iron Man trophy FFS.o_O They are hampered by their off season being in the middle of winter which makes training more difficult than down under. That is one excuse anyway. There are some good players in the north but not in the number there used to be with the big cheques on offer from union, and those good enough to venture south have been raised on the image of Paul Hogan putting a shrimp on the barbie, New Zealand is a land of mountains and Maori somewhere out towards Antarctica.
 
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Spoke to a member of the warriors coaching staff a couple of years back and he said they were shocked how weak tomkins was when he arrived- esp in the lower body- apparently they tend to skip legs day in the U.K.
He said he had great speed and evasion but no power through the legs which is why u kept seeing him get pulled down by an arm or the jersey- he could find a hole but didn't have the power to pull through it.
Tomkins runs like a leggy 13 year old. Doesn't look like an athlete at all
 
...and he won their bloody Iron Man trophy FFS.o_O They are hampered by their off season being in the middle of winter which makes training more difficult than down under. That is one excuse anyway. There are some good players in the north but not in the number there used to be with the big cheques on offer from union, and those good enough to venture south have been raised on the image of Paul Hogan putting a shrimp on the barbie, New Zealand is a land of mountains and Maori somewhere out towards Antarctica.

Which has nothing to do with your size or strength weirdly.
 
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bruce

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Lucky he didn't play against Graeme Langlands.
Correct, he could not be compared in any way to Changa. English rugby league used to be the very best but it is virtually NRL reserve grade standard now. Very sad, their crowds deserve better.

Changa passed away today. As a footballer one of the very best
Great post Pozz. This will probably go to another thread but...
https://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league...al-graeme-langlands-dead-20180120-h0lmif.html
Rugby league Immortal Graeme Langlands has died overnight in his Sutherland nursing home, after battling poor health for months.