Internationals Sack coach Kearney

If we lose the Series is it time for Kearney to go ?

  • Yes, sack Kearney if we lose

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • No don't sack Kearney if we lose

    Votes: 29 78.4%
  • Sack him either way, win or lose the series.

    Votes: 2 5.4%

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I think that's one of if not thee major reason why Kearney never picked him because he turned his back on the game and went to rugby.

That's the only logical explanation I can come up with.

Kieran Foran pffft SBW's energy drinking pill taking side kick has got a cheek having a hissy fit saying he wouldn't play alongside Benji.

That shit is borderline amateur attitude, get the fark over it and do what's best for the team not your own agenda.

Benji is most definitely a different player these days, he's a far better player. He is more mature, team orientated, he doesn't go away from team structure, he polled well in the Dally M's this season, a totally different attitude.

He would have put the polish and structure on our final plays, repeat sets, not to mention his threat when taking it to the line.. the amount of clueless play and tactical kicking was unbearable to watch. In hindsight was it a mistake leaving him home? Yes it was, it was a bad mistake and it cost us this series.

IMO I dont think its got anything to do with Benji switching...SBW did aswell, and he didnt have any issues picking him.
I dont think its a culture thing either....cause SBW screwed around when naming the worldcup squad and didnt make himself available for the match until after the squad was named, and he still didnt mind picking him at the expense of Harris...Foran gets picked even after the drinks/pills saga...where's the culture in picking them?

To me, it looks like a personal issue. Benji hasnt played for NZ since his captaincy was taken away, so im assuming they must have had a fall out at that point. Benji's obviously to blame aswell, but you'd think in the national interest Kearney would get over it....but it looks like he cant
 
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IMO I dont think its got anything to do with Benji switching...SBW did aswell, and he didnt have any issues picking him.
I dont think its a culture thing either....cause SBW screwed around when naming the worldcup squad and didnt make himself available for the match until after the squad was named, and he still didnt mind picking him at the expense of Harris...Foran gets picked even after the drinks/pills saga...where's the culture in picking them?

To me, it looks like a personal issue. Benji hasnt played for NZ since his captaincy was taken away, so im assuming they must have had a fall out at that point. Benji's obviously to blame aswell, but you'd think in the national interest Kearney would get over it....but it looks like he cant
Phil Holden, NZRL CEO made it clear that there was nothing they could do about the pills. Because it wasn't against the rules, they had no course to name and shame the individuals that Kearney nearly lost his job over.

Yes he picked Foran, if you listened to the Interview... You would have heard Holden say that they were going to talk to players, with player Welfare in the front of their minds.

Its not Rocket surgery to work that the players who were given chances, took the message on board.

The players who were ring leaders would not have fared so well.

So yeah the coach has probably got personal with Marshall over some other issue, they are entitled to, whether people like it or not, part of being the boss is living by who u hire and fire....personal relationships build teams/or divide teams.

As for picking SBW for the world cup, Kearney was weak there.

He bowed to pressure from the expectation Williams brings, Tournament organizers, sponsors, media, and fans expect to see,the,superstar Williams return.

Kearney showed balls leaving Marshall out, he's not retarded, he knows Marshall was the best half available.

Sometimes an organisations values have to be protected over and above individuals, and test match results.
 
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To me, it looks like a personal issue. Benji hasnt played for NZ since his captaincy was taken away, so im assuming they must have had a fall out at that point. Benji's obviously to blame aswell, but you'd think in the national interest Kearney would get over it....but it looks like he cant

This could very well be the issue as well.

To me you just can't afford to leave players of Benji's calibre out, it's shocking.

I reckon Tui & Hiku won't even play halves at their clubs so what purpose did that serve having them playing those crucial positions on tour? zilch if you ask me but time will tell whether it was worth it or not
 
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Sometimes an organisations values have to be protected over and above individuals, and test match results.

I'll cop that, but whats the guy's fault? What values has he broken? Benji Marshal has done some amazing things for the kiwis...playing for the kiwis brought the best out of him...he was our super star...it can be argued, but to me, he won us the world cup (just as much as Shaun Johnson got us into the last WC final)...If you going to drop him, never to let him playagain, atleast let the fans know whats the issue or acknowledge that there is an issue. Would anyone drop JT from the australian side, never to play him again and not justify it? Its ludicrous...

I dont think he's shown balls at all...I think its all been done pretty cowardly. If Benji is never going to play for kiwis, just say it. whats with the, Im picking him...im picking him...no im not, but I will the next time...and when that next time comes around you are again saying...im picking him...im picking him...oh no, im not, but I will next time...WTF
 
I dont think he's shown balls at all...I think its all been done pretty cowardly. If Benji is never going to play for kiwis, just say it. whats with the, Im picking him...im picking him...no im not, but I will the next time...and when that next time comes around you are again saying...im picking him...im picking him...oh no, im not, but I will next time...WTF
agreed on Benji being the go to guy of the Kiwis during his peak.

Kearney made Benji golden boy....had him as his captain. What does that suggest ?

Something significant went down, it must have.
 
agreed on Benji being the go to guy of the Kiwis during his peak.

Kearney made Benji golden boy....had him as his captain. What does that suggest ?

Something significant went down, it must have.

this is where we start mixing facts with myths...Made him captain, Yes. Made him the golden boy...in what way? Kearney showed Benji how to score that WC winning try OR did Kearney do the flick pass to Richards in the 2005 grand final?

Something significant must have gone done? how do you know Kearney is not being Petty?
 
It's as if Kearney's trying to play mind games with the fans. Absolutely no need for it.

This isn't a decoding game, we're Kiwis, we're NZr's just be straight up and don't bullshit us, we don't need conspiracy theories.

If Kearney's decision was justified then we can live with that but it's not and it stinks.
 
this is where we start mixing facts with myths...Made him captain, Yes. Made him the golden boy...in what way? Kearney showed Benji how to score that WC winning try OR did Kearney do the flick pass to Richards in the 2005 grand final?

Something significant must have gone done? how do you know Kearney is not being Petty?
Golden boy might be a bit over the top.
He was Kearney's first pick for a long time.

I can't see a Professional coach with that much experience making a decision like that lightly, maybe I'm being naïve.
 

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If injury hits our halfbacks in 2017, benji is fit & in form then he needs to be selected for 2017 4 nations squad, kearneys got to settle the beef unless it something really terrible thats been swept under the carpet, which i doubt is the case. Nikorima is back up half/ utility option, hiku's development in preferred position has been stunted but if he gets a few NRL games in halves & goes well maybe a halves back up option, Lolohea for all his talent hasn't really staked a claim for international spot in the halves. Leuluai also back up option he has had best games in Kiwi jersey but never shined in halves at NRL level
 
Something significant must have gone done?
when I look at it, Benji's form for the tigers took a big dive in 2013. To the point he was stripped of the captaincy early on, then not selected for the Kiwis ANZAC test and subsequently dropped by the new coach Mick Potter at the Tigers.
From 2008 up to 2013 Benji had hit a purple patch then oddly his form disintegrated and hit the rocks.
Subsequently he fled Sydney and league to play union in Auckland.
That whole fiasco was quite significant, so obviously was whatever caused it.

If Kearney's decision was justified then we can live with that but it's not and it stinks.
How would even know whether his decision is justified or not, if it's not and you can't live with it as you say then do the opposite and carry it to the grave if it makes you feel better.
 
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How would even know whether his decision is justified or not, if it's not and you can't live with it as you say then do the opposite and carry it to the grave.

Nah it's not that bad, I just wanted to see how Benji would combine with Nikorima or even Tui, that's why I'm most disappointed.

These young fellas would have learnt heaps, just the intricacies and nuances of the position.

It would have benefitted Tui massively considering he sees himself as a future NRL half.
 
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These young fellas would have learnt heaps, just the intricacies and nuances of the position.
That's where we disagree. IMO Benji would've hogged the ball and stifled the young fellas opportunities to develop. As it panned out Kodi was forced to seize those opportunities by simply being the go to playmaker in the Kiwis. Bingo no Benji paid off and we all learnt Nikorima has got the goods.
 
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That's where we disagree. IMO Benji would've hogged the ball and stifled the young fellas opportunities to develop. As it panned out Kodi was forced to seize those opportunities by simply being the go to playmaker in the Kiwis. Bingo no Benji paid off and we all learnt Nikorima has got the goods.

Nah I don't reckon he would have, he didn't all season for the Dragons and I don't think he would've on tour.

Tui became the scapegoat after the first test loss , Kearney and co went on a hunch and Kodi took his chance, that's how I see it.

Kodi was always destined to go on to better things regardless.
 
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Sacking SK is stupid.

I watch the Kiwis now with high expectations of a win.

Before SK, it was always with hope of a win.

He has brought stability, consistancy and controlled passion.

He'll be our coach for a long while yet.

I think the world class players we now have may have something to do with that as well....
if you are going to credit him with the 3 straight wins against aus.....you have to credit him with the 8 straight losses prior to that aswell
 
Phil Holden, NZRL CEO made it clear that there was nothing they could do about the pills. Because it wasn't against the rules, they had no course to name and shame the individuals that Kearney nearly lost his job over.

Yes he picked Foran, if you listened to the Interview... You would have heard Holden say that they were going to talk to players, with player Welfare in the front of their minds.

Its not Rocket surgery to work that the players who were given chances, took the message on board.

The players who were ring leaders would not have fared so well.

So yeah the coach has probably got personal with Marshall over some other issue, they are entitled to, whether people like it or not, part of being the boss is living by who u hire and fire....personal relationships build teams/or divide teams.

As for picking SBW for the world cup, Kearney was weak there.

He bowed to pressure from the expectation Williams brings, Tournament organizers, sponsors, media, and fans expect to see,the,superstar Williams return.

Kearney showed balls leaving Marshall out, he's not retarded, he knows Marshall was the best half available.

Sometimes an organisations values have to be protected over and above individuals, and test match results.
A coach has too pick the best team available to him, personal dislikes should not come in to it. He will never coach an NRL team ever again as he just doesn't have the full package and he has had some great teachers over the years .If you dislike a player that should not mean he can not be pick as a proper coach picks the best team available too him.
 
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League: Kearney to build lasting empire
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Stephen Kearney has overseen a remarkable period for the Kiwis. Photo / Getty
By Michael Burgess

Here are a few things you might not know about Stephen Kearney: He loves cooking shows, is currently reading Steven Gerrard's autobiography, is a Bikram Yoga devotee and wants the Kiwis to dominate for the next decade.

Well, OK, maybe you had an inkling of the last one.

"That's what I want," says Kearney. "You want to build something so you are on top for a long time. Why not? Not just one year but a sustained period of time."

At the moment, it feels like Kearney is at the peak of his powers.

He has overseen a remarkable period of success over the past 12 months, a period unmatched in the modern era.

Three consecutive wins over Australia, the Anzac test drought broken and the Four Nations trophy captured on home soil.

The 2-1 series loss to England was a setback but won't leave too much of a scar as an under-strength Kiwis team pushed England closer than most expected.

Kearney has won more tests (23) than any other Kiwis coach, including a record five against the Kangaroos. And he has been involved in 86 test matches for his country, either as a player (45) or coach (41), an extraordinary record of service.

Will the 2017 World Cup be the swansong? "At the moment, I take it one year at a time," Kearney says. "That's all I can say."

As a youngster, Kearney was always focused on achieving his Winfeld Cup dream. He had other plans - maybe a policeman ("because Sam Stewart was"), an army chef or a builder - but league was the overwhelming focus.

His bedroom was plastered with Rugby League Week covers and posters - "we didn't have wall-paper so that was the next best thing" - with idols such as Les Davidson, Ian Roberts and Mark Graham staring down.

In one magazine, his Kapiti Coast Bears coach Manu Parata noticed an advertisement for a junior league training camp in Australia. After some fundraising, Kearney went and had his first encounter with Wayne Bennett.

"Wayne walked over after a game and said, 'Well done son, where are you from?' I said Wellington and he asked if it was near Newcastle. 'No', I said, 'New Zealand', and he walked off. We still joke about that now."

Kearney progressed steadily, standing out with his professional attitude.

"I remember running an NZRL seminar for young players," says Frank Endacott. "Most of the boys were down the back, heads down, not saying much. One kid sat in the front row, full of questions. Afterwards they told me his name was Stephen Kearney."

That kid was soon a Kiwi and became the youngest ever captain (21) in 1993.

He was a key figure in Endacott's successful Kiwis teams of the 1990s and won a premiership with the Melbourne Storm in 1999 but the drive to improve never subsided.

"He was my room-mate on my first Kiwis tour [in 2002]," recalls Motu Tony. "In the morning, when I was rushing around getting ready for training, he was sitting on the bed making notes about what he wanted to achieve in the session."

That meticulous, driven approach saw Kearney achieve 45 tests, behind only Ruben Wiki, Gary Freeman and Stacey Jones.

By February 2008, barely two years after his last game (for Hull), Kearney was appointed Kiwis coach.



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Jordan Kahu kicks a drop-goal during the International Rugby League Test Series match with England. Photo / Getty


There were early highs - a World Cup and Four Nations title - before a significant plateau. By the time of the 2013 World Cup, he had recorded just three wins over Australia and England since the 2008 edition. There was already significant pressure on his job, which only intensified after the awful Old Trafford finale. But he survived. He admitted his failings at the last World Cup.

"Stephen was man enough to put his hand up, to say he got some things wrong," says Kiwis assistant coach David Kidwell.

He was seen as conservative during the first half of his reign, his game plans resembling the highly-structured strategies of the Storm. It was a departure from the traditional Kiwis way and not always popular with fans.

However, Kearney has found a happy medium over the past 18 months; a game still built on possession and territory, but one where players can express themselves.

"If something is on, we can go for it," says Roger Tuivasa-Sheck.

"Mooks [Kearney] backs us to have a go. We play with a lot more energy now," says Lewis Brown.

"The big results we have got haven't been from a structured game plan. It's been from playing with our hearts on our sleeves."

And Kearney has rebuilt the culture and environment in the Kiwis. After difficulties on previous Northern Hemisphere trips (2011 and 2013), the 2015 tour was notably harmonious.

"It's probably a bit more enjoyable now," says Kevin Proctor. "Back in 2011, the culture was a bit different. The older guys were a little bit different to the older guys now. Everyone is welcomed into the group and on the same level."

"Maybe a few years ago, we relied on superstars to get us across the line," Brown says. "We play more of a team game now. Everyone is equal [and] it has shown in the results."

Thanks to the many New Zealanders in the NRL and Kearney's willingness to blood young players, the Kiwis have good depth, probably greater than any other time.

"That's what you want," says Kearney. "You want guys pushing to get in, so no one takes it for granted."

Kearney must keep striving, too, with at least four tests next year and a busy schedule with the Broncos. But for now, he's on holiday.
 
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