Post Match [Round 6, 2022] - Roosters vs Warriors Post Match Discussion

[Gizzyfan]

The top 4 inches, that was the call in my day. Players who studied and understood the game and made good decisions on the field. The other was 90% of the game is perspiration, not inspiration.

The fitness and effort are there now, still not enough 'footyheads' those that study the game. Guys who are limited like Sean O'Sullivan who seemed to live and breathe the game. Guys who learn from their mistakes, which is one of the Warriors biggest frustrations.

They now know they can reach the required standard, they now have to reduce the mistakes and think their way through games and gain consistency. The cavalry is coming over the hill and when up to strength this team can match anyone. IF they repect the basics .

 

[VictorRadleysScrotum]

I think this is the strategic way to have that discussion. Call out the refs at the end of the game and you alienate them (if they have bias) and look like whinging, trying to make excuses for your own failings etc. The media love that sort of stuff & public goodwill goes out the window when they make you out to be what you're not.
To approach the issue thru these channels means they have to look at what you're saying & seeing, each issue, and explain whether your point of view is right or wrong, and why.
It's an opportunity to learn for them & the Warriors if they are wrong and do better.
Doesn't change the result if the refs exercised poor skills or bias in this game, but it could hopefully change the playing field going forward.
Both sides...

Good perspective. Let's hope we take some learnings from the responses.

 

[jsmooove]

if the calls that happened to us yesterday happened to the roosters you can bet your bottom dollar change would be coming. Either the rules get changed or personal changes within the officiating ranks would happen. rightly so there has been much debate as to whether or not Brown did the right thing by not going nuclear in the press conference. To tell you the truth it doesn't matter and will never matter till the warriors as organization can get on the same level of pull as the roosters. Winning partially gets you but more importantly having a very strong leadership through out the organization which to be honest we don't have either. If you wonder what that leadership is like all you have to do is look at how the players ran out with heritage jerseys but regular shorts and socks. Some may say that's no big deal but if you want to be the best then every single little detail matters.

 

[matiunz]

NZ Warriors will seek formal clarification on a number of incidents they aren't happy with from Sunday's defeat to Sydney Roosters.

Newshub understands the club will ask for a please explain from the NRL's referees boss, Graham Annesley.

But while they want answers, coach Nathan Brown is looking at their own costly mistakesfrom the 22-14 loss.

This is about the extent of what we will get- until it happens again


I’m surprised no one has gone down the route of hiring an ex referee such as say Harrigan to comb through footage of a few teams highlighting error counts. Being a business would be interesting if there were discrimination or similar avenue that could be taken.
Either that or it could prove there’s no bias and put it to bed

 

[Wrighty]

I also think Shaun Johnson failed to take charge in that game and made some crucial errors/wrong calls. One of those "wheres Shaun Johnson?" Games.

Hopefully just a blip in the radar otherwise we'll be questioning whether the boy ever became a man.

Shaun has always needed go forward ball to operate

 

[Fonzie]

I thought in the first half the Roosters were winning the middle, but not through anything fancy, just harder running and faster line speed. AFBs carries and SJs kicking game was our saving grace.

The Roosters were off their game; errors, clunky execution; the one time they got the shape right they scored.

Our spine still hasn’t clicked but our halves are working better with their respective edges, and our edge D is much improved. For some reason we have no shape around Egan when he runs, forwards are too deep.

In the second half our own errors and some better shape/execution from the Roosters saw them get on top; and we started to look like a team who went in a prop short.

Some freak Walsh skill got us back in a contest, a bit unconvincingly. Then the ref did us no favours and they pulled away.

I thought there was continued improvement and once we get Tohu Harris, Jazz and Lodge back to sort out that middle we will be hard to beat

 

[snake77]

A lot to like how much Curran has improved the last few years. Gone from being out of shape in 2020 to turning it around last year and now a key part of the side.

His fitness has improved a lot. Also great seeing this week how he got injured and instead of calling it a day got on the bike to work it off and return to help out his team mates.

 

[Wheels]

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned it but did Pompey get the better of Manu? I don't recall Manu doing anything compared to previous games this year and I have watched every game he has played and he has been outstanding. Pompey has definitely been really solid except for that spill in a prior game nearing the closing stages. I think he is keeping Berry at bay based on his recent form and might be pushing Arthars for no.1 center at the club. If he had a bit more mongrel in him I think he would be a good prospect for the future and make the center position highly contested as he does most things quite well including bringing the ball back. He just looks like he lacks some intensity or something!!!

 

[Wellington Warrior]

How on earth Tedesco got awarded 2 Daly M points is beyond me… he did nothing

 

[brightman]

How on earth Tedesco got awarded 2 Daly M points is beyond me… he did nothing

can't give the points to the refs mate..

 

[Cces]

Watched the replay, was a try- VERY bad miss from Arthars

Walsh, Shaun Johnson then Arthars

 

[Waiting For Premiership]

I also think Shaun Johnson failed to take charge in that game and made some crucial errors/wrong calls. One of those "wheres Shaun Johnson?" Games.

Hopefully just a blip in the radar otherwise we'll be questioning whether the boy ever became a man.

Thays 2 blips in a row for Princess tho .

 

[Dixpat]

Annesley in his conference today said that the lost ball by Addin Fonua-Blake should have been a penalty in the same way Pompey’s dislodging of the ball was a penalty

 

[Boats n Hoes]

I am not sure if anyone has mentioned it but did Pompey get the better of Manu? I don't recall Manu doing anything compared to previous games this year and I have watched every game he has played and he has been outstanding. Pompey has definitely been really solid except for that spill in a prior game nearing the closing stages. I think he is keeping Berry at bay based on his recent form and might be pushing Arthars for no.1 center at the club. If he had a bit more mongrel in him I think he would be a good prospect for the future and make the center position highly contested as he does most things quite well including bringing the ball back. He just looks like he lacks some intensity or something!!!

Tbh thought it was Arthurs least impressive game so far while Pompey probably had his best.

Lets face it tho u wouldnt call either of them strike centres and i dont think either of them would make a top 8 line up but their doing a job and thats good enough for us atm.

Pompey (while i;ve mocked his lack of speed in the past) i think has been real solid of late. Just having that size and physicality in the centres i think was missed in the first few rounds....hence why at this point and time i'd have him over Berry.

 

[jimmy the lock]

The same video ref what are the chances???? https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nr...d/news-story/58fcd7cbaabe850d16034585b3042c87

 

[Brother Faisal]

Another moment to add that I thought was pivotal was when Reece ran out of the line to stop walker, it was stupid and if he stays in his line hes in position to help arthars prevent that try, he still a rookie in many ways. It was a panic play that wasnt needed.

 

[Tonbridge (Swanley)]

I thought we played OK, still not polished and still making silly errors.

Do we win without the ref and bunker, I don't know.

Looking forward to getting smashed against the Storm.

Kodi should not be playing if Jazz comes back.

 

[gREVUS]

Did anyone else think we shouldn't have kicked the first two pointer. And gone for a try.

sorry for late reply. not I

reason is this. u have a 90% kicker. thats 2 points locked in giving a lead over a very capable team.
A lot on here will disagree with me, but Bellamy doesnt. watch the storm, they will hardly ever pass on free points when on offer. especially when there is no guarantee that u can cross the line.

 

[Tonbridge (Swanley)]

sorry for late reply. not I

reason is this. u have a 90% kicker. thats 2 points locked in giving a lead over a very capable team.
A lot on here will disagree with me, but Bellamy doesnt. watch the storm, they will hardly ever pass on free points when on offer. especially when there is no guarantee that u can cross the line.

Two points and get the ball back? It's a no brainer.

Two points could account for a missed conversion.

I'd take the two almost every time and I'd also take a drop goal when possible. Can you imagine the frustration of the opposition if you don't kick on the last but take a drop goal, you get a point and get the ball back.

Also, they should be trying the blast the ball to the side line every kick off. bounces out and we get the ball back...it's in the rules, and not enough teams are prepared to take the risk.

 

[VictorRadleysScrotum]

Annesley in his conference today said that the lost ball by Addin Fonua-Blake should have been a penalty in the same way Pompey’s dislodging of the ball was a penalty

This is a conversation I had on another forum with a Roosters supporter. Felt like I needed to get the crayons out for him:

HIM:
After the game Warriors fans were up in arms about the ref's. The Warriors fans were critical about several incidences they say showed that the ref's were biased.

1. The chricton challenge when Pompey was judged to have interfered with the play the ball.
2. Was the Addin Fonua-Blake challenge that was unsuccessful.

I personally agreed that the chricton/pompey challenge was bullshit, but disagreed about the Addin Fonua-Blake one. I was Met with a torrent of abuse from Warriors fans about being biased.

Now that the ref's have come out and said 'the Addin Fonua-Blake one was a penalty' you are now using it as proof that the ref's bias/conspiracy is true, even though that would mean that that the Chricton/pompey ruling was also correct.

Warriors fans at the moment want to make out every call against them is a game changing decision, but want to ignore it when things go the other way.

You want to use Annesly words as proof that you got dudded, even though that very same sentence now confirms that one of the other bias decisions Warriors fans argued against was actually legit.

Warriors fans want their cake and to eat it as well.

ME:
The point people were making about the two challenges was that if the Pompey incident was deemed to be a penalty, then the hand on the ball for Addin Fonua-Blake's ptb should also have been deemed to be a penalty, and the fact that it was not given was a glaring inconsistency and a dud call. Annesly has confirmed that this was the case. How are you not understanding this?

HIM:
Yet you guys also complained about pompey being penalised as one of the 5 dud calls.

So the pompey penalty was fair now, despite being told numerous times over the weekend it was bullshit?

You are so quick to latch on to anything which confirms your bias that you guys contradict yourselves.

ME:
We were not complaining about it, the whole point was that if Pompey's was a penalty then so was the other one. They were both penalties, but only one was given, hence the inconsistency. I ask you again, what part of this are you not understanding?

HIM:
So why was pompeys penalty continually brought up as evidence that the game is rigged against the Warriors?

What part of that aren't you understanding.

Warriors fans on the weekend continually said there were 5 incidences that proved the game is rigged against the Warriors.

Now you guys are saying that the pompey incidence was correct and now that proves the inconsistency?

So at various times this weekend from Warriors fans we've both had the 'pompey decision being incorrect shows there is a bias against the Warriors' but also 'the pompey incident being correct showed the bias in the Addin Fonua-Blake decision'.

You guys contradict yourselves.

ME:
There is no contradiction, at all. Again, the point is that each of those incidents are essentially the same (interference in the ptb) and as such they should be treated the same. They are either both penalties or both knock ons. The fact that one was given as a penalty and the other was not is inconsistent and an incorrect call, which was confirmed by Annesly. That's it, it's no more complicated than that. Have another read of the article if you need.