Post Match [Round 22, 2021] - Warriors vs Bulldogs Post Match Discussion

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Warriors
Vs
Bulldogs
24 Moreton Daily Stadium
15 Aug 2021 15:50
80th minute
10

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kos

Can’t believe they charged Reece Walsh for pushing James… but didn’t see any problem with the Katoa shoulder to the head, or swinging arm to the throat a few tackles later.

inept.
I really liked Walsh having a go at Ryan James.
Ryan is a good guy I ve spoken to him on a few occasions.
But on the field he is a grub.
We need a grub in our team.
We don’t have one.
 
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jonesy101

jonesy101

Late, high and no arms. The trifecta. Only marginally less ugly than Harawira-Naera and Matterson's shots.

Strange, strange goings on.
 
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jonesy101

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I really liked Walsh having a go at Ryan James.
Ryan is a good guy I ve spoken to him on a few occasions.
But on the field he is a grub.
We need a grub in our team.
We don’t have one.
If we are going to be adjudicated like we were in the Sharks game I'm not sure if we can afford the time on the sidelines. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak and Lodge were suspended for very little.
 
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Aman

Aman

Hey Wrighty do you still think no bias against warriors now? NRL not charging Katoa is effectively a green light to assault warriors players for the same contact that’s getting everyone else suspended or sent off. Refs will be less likely to rule penalties against teams for dangerous contact against us knowing the NRL or MRC won’t take action either. This is a very serious issue and I would take this much higher if I was CG.
 
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Rick O'Shay

Rick O'Shay

Almost all of what you say is irreverent. It’s great they have matching hair cuts and have spent the day sight seeing lol, still doesn’t change the fact that it that ball doesn’t deviate significantly, Meany has it covered 100%

Look, I hope you’re right and Chanel practiced it that way, but what’s more likely?
The reality is almost every one of the other kicks he attempted on the day we’re not well executed. Is it likely that this one was also not well executed and he got lucky with a good bounce? Or is it more likely that the he planned and executed a kick that needed an extremely favourable bounce to the left to just beat the covering full back and have Walsh put it down in the nick of time ?
Who cares whether it was intentional. Someone should ask Chanel Harris-Tavita.

Bottom line, we scored and more importantly, it looked good.
 
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Aman

Aman

Late, high and no arms. The trifecta. Only marginally less ugly than Harawira-Naera and Matterson's shots.

Strange, strange goings on.

ol mate Gus putting the knife in questioning why it was a penalty and disallowed try. Wonder how much influence that fat fucking fart has behind the scenes on these matters. Whatever club he goes to seems to start getting a lot of “lucky” breaks. He regularly meets with Vlandys and Abdo to discuss new concepts and rule changes (his words) so it’s not that far fetched to think he would also whisper in their ear on these matters.
 
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Rick O'Shay

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ol mate Gus putting the knife in questioning why it was a penalty and disallowed try. Wonder how much influence that fat fucking fart has behind the scenes on these matters. Whatever club he goes to seems to start getting a lot of “lucky” breaks. He regularly meets with Vlandys and Abdo to discuss new concepts and rule changes (his words) so it’s not that far fetched to think he would also whisper in their ear on these matters.
Well the good thing is after last weekend he should be back on our side. Nothing to lose for the wooden spooners now and I think he said he was still working for us part time.
 
Aman

Aman

I liked it when James got up to have a go at Walsh he first had to get through Jazz and Addin Fonua-Blake. He soon calmed down once Addin arrived.

Are they saying you can get suspended for shoving someone now? Do the NRL not understand that your product is better of if your stars play on the field rather than sit on the side lines? These cuuckos have lost the plot
 
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Wrighty

Wrighty

Hey Wrighty do you still think no bias against warriors now? NRL not charging Katoa is effectively a green light to assault warriors players for the same contact that’s getting everyone else suspended or sent off. Refs will be less likely to rule penalties against teams for dangerous contact against us knowing the NRL or MRC won’t take action either. This is a very serious issue and I would take this much higher if I was CG.
I agree.

This started happening with the Le Chad pre meditated take out by the Sharks. They rubbed him out for the rest of the season. No question they planned it.
The refs did nothing.
We need to ride shotgun over ourselves. If someone fucks with one of our spine players then lets get into handbags everytime and or pop a guy with biffo in the chops. It is worth a sin bin and losing the game over as otherwise none of our spine is safe.
Reece Walsh/ Addin Fonua-Blake/ Jazz are my heroes for sticking up with fists for Chanel Harris-Tavita after James cheap shotted our half back.
In my view had we not retaliated that kent James would have done another dog shot and maybe injured Sean O'Sullivan or Reece during the game. But he actually looked afraid when Reece and Addin Fonua-Blake in particular started getting in his face.
We took care of business there.
And that is why James didn't try again after that in my humble view.
I have no proof for that statement. Just my hunch. Feel free to disagree. We need to keep up the strong arm responses to our spine being attacked.

The NRL refs aren't going to protect us. That is clear. So we need to do what we did on the weekend.

Kane Evans hard out did the right thing and his sin bin and one game suspension was worth it every day of the week. Now teams know if they fuck with us too much they will get a shot from us.

The big players on teams have always needed to physically protect the marquee playmakers in both league and union.

You go back and watch the footage of the Chad hit. It is the most egregious hit of the NRL season to any player. And it didn't go on report.

Do I think there is anti warriors bias Aman? Hell yes!
Do I think we should complain about it on this forum. No.
Unless it is egregious like the following
a) James Gavet getting penalised for tackling someone too hard around the waist, "It was too hard".
b) Addin Fonua-Blake getting a closed fist to the face 4 games ago
c) Katoa this game not being on report after a blatant high shot

Those things well worth getting stuck into the refs about. I support complaining about Katoa going scott free.

However where I object is heavily complaining about Montoya not actually being an escort and us not getting a try when we won by 14 points anyway. Those types of complaints have to go in my view.

My view is that ALL of the bottom 8 teams get shafted. You try watching the Cowboys. They don't get good calls. The dogs get far worse calls than the Warriors every game because the refs hate the dogs for being shit and punish them for being shit. Titans last few years got dog shit calls whenever I watched them. In fact if you watch the dogs sometimes the ten metres gets unfairly policed when they play a top team. Dogs have to go back 12 metres it seems while the top four team only ten metres.
It is like Wizards Rage said the ref gives the match to who deserves to win in his mind.
The only way to get the refs on your side is over an entire season to improve your error rate and completion rate and look competent. IE you make your own luck with the refs.

The warriors can get out of the ref dog house/bias issue by just improving their play. And stopping doing absolutely shit head plays that make the refs wince and cringe.

It will take a few years of being good as for much of the last ten years we have had too many error prone players in our 17.
Justice should be blind in the NRL as to who is playing but it absolutely isn't. Believing games need to be reffed fairly and being offended when they aren't is not showing experience as a fan. Get used to bias. Expect it. Don't act like you are entitled to a fair shake. You need to earn a fair shake. The bias will wear off as we improve.
Happens in other sports I follow than just rugby league. Eg cricket before DRS used to shaft the bottom ranked test teams. New Zealand could not have won the cricket test world cup without DRS.
You go back and watch the replay of the under arm bowl match in 1981. In the final over we had it won. Then the Aussie umpire fired Hadlee lbw for a ball that pitched 6 inches outside leg stump. Hadlee was in the middle of carting Trevor Chappel around to all parts. After Hadlee was sawn off Ian Smith and then famously Brian McKechnie had to come into bat.
OR how about boxing day MCG 1987 Dan Morrison bowling the spell of his life needed one wicket to win the test. With all his might and pride at playing for his country he got the ball to reverse swing before reverse swing was even known about. Trapped McDermott plumb in front and not out from the umpire,
Don't be surprised at bias in the point of this post.
 
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Ever Hopeful

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On Cleary, Annesley in his usual 'I'm right, the rest of you are all morons' way said that a shoulder charge is when you charge shoulder first into someone rather than Cleary's wait and brace type shoulder hit, which is a completely legitimate form of tackling.

By that logic, I think we will see a number of shoulders being given the all clear. Even the shoulder king Matulino used to do a lot of his from a measured position once the attacking player had run to his position.

It is not like the force of the shoulder is one of the bigger issues in brain injury is it...
 
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Swanley

Swanley

A win is a win.

But Walsh looked massively offside for that try, but we are due some luck.

Cannot believe that Bulldog didn't even get 10 minutes, that's a disgrace.

And we are a chance to actually win our next three games, time to do the NRL predictor!
 
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Gizzyfan

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That Walsh Try may become very important. Teams will not be able to have all their players in the line, they now have to consider early kicks
 
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Dixpat

Dixpat

In Stacey we (have to) trust
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I agree.

This started happening with the Le Chad pre meditated take out by the Sharks. They rubbed him out for the rest of the season. No question they planned it.
The refs did nothing.
We need to ride shotgun over ourselves. If someone fucks with one of our spine players then lets get into handbags everytime and or pop a guy with biffo in the chops. It is worth a sin bin and losing the game over as otherwise none of our spine is safe.
Reece Walsh/ Addin Fonua-Blake/ Jazz are my heroes for sticking up with fists for Chanel Harris-Tavita after James cheap shotted our half back.
In my view had we not retaliated that kent James would have done another dog shot and maybe injured Sean O'Sullivan or Reece during the game. But he actually looked afraid when Reece and Addin Fonua-Blake in particular started getting in his face.
We took care of business there.
And that is why James didn't try again after that in my humble view.
I have no proof for that statement. Just my hunch. Feel free to disagree. We need to keep up the strong arm responses to our spine being attacked.

The NRL refs aren't going to protect us. That is clear. So we need to do what we did on the weekend.

Kane Evans hard out did the right thing and his sin bin and one game suspension was worth it every day of the week. Now teams know if they fuck with us too much they will get a shot from us.

The big players on teams have always needed to physically protect the marquee playmakers in both league and union.

You go back and watch the footage of the Chad hit. It is the most egregious hit of the NRL season to any player. And it didn't go on report.

Do I think there is anti warriors bias Aman? Hell yes!
Do I think we should complain about it on this forum. No.
Unless it is egregious like the following
a) James Gavet getting penalised for tackling someone too hard around the waist, "It was too hard".
b) Addin Fonua-Blake getting a closed fist to the face 4 games ago
c) Katoa this game not being on report after a blatant high shot

Those things well worth getting stuck into the refs about. I support complaining about Katoa going scott free.

However where I object is heavily complaining about Montoya not actually being an escort and us not getting a try when we won by 14 points anyway. Those types of complaints have to go in my view.

My view is that ALL of the bottom 8 teams get shafted. You try watching the Cowboys. They don't get good calls. The dogs get far worse calls than the Warriors every game because the refs hate the dogs for being shit and punish them for being shit. Titans last few years got dog shit calls whenever I watched them. In fact if you watch the dogs sometimes the ten metres gets unfairly policed when they play a top team. Dogs have to go back 12 metres it seems while the top four team only ten metres.
It is like Wizards Rage said the ref gives the match to who deserves to win in his mind.
The only way to get the refs on your side is over an entire season to improve your error rate and completion rate and look competent. IE you make your own luck with the refs.

The warriors can get out of the ref dog house/bias issue by just improving their play. And stopping doing absolutely shit head plays that make the refs wince and cringe.

It will take a few years of being good as for much of the last ten years we have had too many error prone players in our 17.
Justice should be blind in the NRL as to who is playing but it absolutely isn't. Believing games need to be reffed fairly and being offended when they aren't is not showing experience as a fan. Get used to bias. Expect it. Don't act like you are entitled to a fair shake. You need to earn a fair shake. The bias will wear off as we improve.
Happens in other sports I follow than just rugby league. Eg cricket before DRS used to shaft the bottom ranked test teams. New Zealand could not have won the cricket test world cup without DRS.
You go back and watch the replay of the under arm bowl match in 1981. In the final over we had it won. Then the Aussie umpire fired Hadlee lbw for a ball that pitched 6 inches outside leg stump. Hadlee was in the middle of carting Trevor Chappel around to all parts. After Hadlee was sawn off Ian Smith and then famously Brian McKechnie had to come into bat.
OR how about boxing day MCG 1987 Dan Morrison bowling the spell of his life needed one wicket to win the test. With all his might and pride at playing for his country he got the ball to reverse swing before reverse swing was even known about. Trapped McDermott plumb in front and not out from the umpire,
Don't be surprised at bias in the point of this post.
Wrighty - Katoa was put on report
 
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Mr Dragon

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Nice to have 3 wins in a row, Settles a man it does 🤣 Them 7 loses in a row took it's toll on me, now it's smooth sailing to the next game, very nice, i could get used to this thing called winning 🤣
 
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Stalefish540

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Funny to see screenshots of Gus's twatter comments today on the Katoa incident. Was our best buddy only a month ago, back to thinking he's a pleb now.

Doesn't matter how the wins have come and against who. These boys have been away for the majority of the last two years, great to see them get some reward for perseverence.

Hopefully they can end the season on a high, as the last three games are definitely winnable. I hope they take that Canberra game personally after the lending of players.
 
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Louim8

Loool, Chanel Harris-Tavita has demonstrated time and time again this season that he is not accurate with his boot. That’s wasn’t the first or last time that game that he miss hit one - waaaay to short with his kicks time and time again that game, and this whole season.

But yes, by some miracle he planned to kick it infield and have it bounce miraculously away into Walsh’s hands 😂
Gumon bro!
I think Chanel Harris-Tavita will be at least an above average nrl half in due time, with the potential to be a good one. I dont ever think he will be a half that goes out and consistantly wins you games but thats fine, you cant have a team full of superstars at every position and need players who just go out and do their job.

His weakest parts of his game are his kicking, decision making and running. Good thing is that he can work on the first 2, it can take a while for halves get this and Chanel Harris-Tavita is still very young and has not played mamy games yet. Look for him to start to click more in these areas after about 50 nrl games, if he can stay on the field and not have any more injury set backs he will be fine.

His running game will not get much better, he is not an explosive athelete and is quite an awkward runner. He can learn to better time his runs but he is never going to be a player that consistantly challenges and breaks the line. Again thats ok.

What i like about him is his heart and his defense, he is always chasing through and always up amd putting pressure on his opposites. Runs good support lines. We all know about his big hits in defense but i would look for him to be more conservative in this area, since he came back from injury i have seen him rushing up alot looking to hit or shut down space but ending up in no mans land and the ball gets past him.

You may mow think, well whats the difference to him and Sean O'Sullivan at the moment. While Sean O'Sullivan has been playing better of late i still don't think hes nrl standard, at ome point on the weekend he was leading the team in runs with 12 while Addin Fonua-Blake was second with 10. If you get up and pressure him he will tuck the ball and run, essentially dieing with position. Now again Sean O'Sullivan like Chanel Harris-Tavita is a youmg half and with more game time i would expect him to get better at that, but the thing is i think Sean O'Sullivan is closer to his ceiling in terms of development where as Chanel Harris-Tavita has more room to grow, the club hieracy must feel the same which is shown by Sean O'Sullivan being unsigned next year and all the words of support for Chanel Harris-Tavita coming from the coach ect.

I think we are in a good position for halves next year, Chanel Harris-Tavita and Shaun Johnson running the team around with walsh on the back end is going to be really good. If the 2 very injury prone halves can stay on the field.
 
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Wrighty

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I think Chanel Harris-Tavita will be at least an above average nrl half in due time, with the potential to be a good one. I dont ever think he will be a half that goes out and consistantly wins you games but thats fine, you cant have a team full of superstars at every position and need players who just go out and do their job.

His weakest parts of his game are his kicking, decision making and running. Good thing is that he can work on the first 2, it can take a while for halves get this and Chanel Harris-Tavita is still very young and has not played mamy games yet. Look for him to start to click more in these areas after about 50 nrl games, if he can stay on the field and not have any more injury set backs he will be fine.

His running game will not get much better, he is not an explosive athelete and is quite an awkward runner. He can learn to better time his runs but he is never going to be a player that consistantly challenges and breaks the line. Again thats ok.

What i like about him is his heart and his defense, he is always chasing through and always up amd putting pressure on his opposites. Runs good support lines. We all know about his big hits in defense but i would look for him to be more conservative in this area, since he came back from injury i have seen him rushing up alot looking to hit or shut down space but ending up in no mans land and the ball gets past him.

You may mow think, well whats the difference to him and Sean O'Sullivan at the moment. While Sean O'Sullivan has been playing better of late i still don't think hes nrl standard, at ome point on the weekend he was leading the team in runs with 12 while Addin Fonua-Blake was second with 10. If you get up and pressure him he will tuck the ball and run, essentially dieing with position. Now again Sean O'Sullivan like Chanel Harris-Tavita is a youmg half and with more game time i would expect him to get better at that, but the thing is i think Sean O'Sullivan is closer to his ceiling in terms of development where as Chanel Harris-Tavita has more room to grow, the club hieracy must feel the same which is shown by Sean O'Sullivan being unsigned next year and all the words of support for Chanel Harris-Tavita coming from the coach ect.

I think we are in a good position for halves next year, Chanel Harris-Tavita and Shaun Johnson running the team around with walsh on the back end is going to be really good. If the 2 very injury prone halves can stay on the field.

Fantastic post. Thanks for putting this together. A good read.
 
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