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Warriors
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Rabbitohs
30 Suncorp Stadium
14 May 2022 17:00
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The five stages of being a warriors supporter over the course of each season.
denial (we played poorly, we're better that this, etc), anger (cheating NRL, cheating bunker, we were robbed, etc), bargaining (a better coach, marque players, new owners, etc), depression (60 point hiding anyone?) and finally acceptance.

I think I might be at the acceptance stage that we are wooden spoon contenders. Last night, I watched in a sort of detached state with far fewer emotional outbursts aimed at the TV compared to normal.... Anyone else out there have the same experience? Or were the anger and frustration levels just the usual?
 
This is how I feel watching the warriors.

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All in all they kind of redeemed themselves in the second half and tbh I'm more disappointed for the bro that put $10 on the warriors when they were down and paying 60 something dollars then I am in us just losing. I can only imagine how he feels. Fk me this team is not for the faint hearted to follow....


Im OK haha I enjoyed the comeback more than a few hundred bucks, I would have been very very sad if we got thrashed.

I had this strange feeling just before half time when they scored that Montoya try that the second half comeback was going to be on on! Combination of rabbitohs fades recently and us playing two half's of footy all year. Also just something about suncorp in the wet , magic round and Shaun Johnson.

You get very close with your intuitions when you support the warriors haha.
 

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I think the whole structure from top to bottom needs a total makeover.If this was a business that had an honest audit done on it some people would have long gone.The team is a farce in the sense that the club was set up to win a premiership eventually and showcase nz league .After this long in the comp we have achieved very little with last night's game just another reminder that once again 8th place and beyond is a total dream.Of course this has been said all before but every game has become groundhog day.
Mohawk inherited a basket case.

Then he had to deal with a corona virus. Any of the former owners/managers would be broke by now and we would be history.

I hear that when it comes to business Mohawk is a hard bastard.

Please tell me one owner in our history who has been a good businessman, and with real money?

...and I apologise immediately for thinking that Jim Doyle was even close to that category.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
What in the fuck????? Rabbitohs were accidentsl offside? Challenge unsuccessful? Are you allowed to be accidental offside now?
Yeah if it hits your own team, then a mwmber from your team who is in front of the player who tocuhed it then picks it up is classed as an accidental offside.
 
Mohawk inherited a basket case.

Then he had to deal with a corona virus. Any of the former owners/managers would be broke by now and we would be history.

I hear that when it comes to business Mohawk is a hard bastard.

Please tell me one owner in our history who has been a good businessman, and with real money?

...and I apologise immediately for thinking that Jim Doyle was even close to that category.:rolleyes::rolleyes:
Is the answer to this question Eric Watson?











Lol just kidding my friend Bruce....
 
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I almost got up and walked out at half time. I'm glad I didn't. Good fightback by the Warriors with Walsh and Johnson stepping up.

I also liked what Ben Murdoch-Masila did when he got game time. Second week in a row he had a good game. There are a lot of people on here who hate him, but he got some good go forward. He's having a better season than last year. He's stepped up.
I like Ben Murdoch-Masila when he's used right but that seems to not be very often. He's a fantastic line runner and running off the shoulder of Shaun Johnson will be damaging
 

I’m gutted by that but I can’t argue with anything I read in that article from Brown, I didn’t see the after match to see his body language but I appreciate his highlighting the first half rather than gloating on the comeback. I can’t remember who said it but we were a different side with Tohu Harris on the field, that short ball to Bunty was beautiful. After the first half I was ready to give it away for a bit but I think I saw enough with Harris on the field to get dragged back.
He didn't mention, unless I missed it, edge defence being the key problem. Just said our overall defence was weak and we need to tighten up. Which means potentially there won't be a focus on stopping our wingers jamming in.
 
Those of you who are saying we will be competing for the wooden spoon this year.

You guys are dreaming.

We are much better than the Doggies.
We are much better than the Knights.
We are much better than the Tigers
and at the moment we are much better than the Raiders.

They will be fighting it out for the wooden spoon.

We will either be fighting it out to keep pace with the Top 8 or fighting it out to stay anywhere between 9th-12th.

Dreaming I tell you.

Wooden Spoon. I don't think so.
 
Those of you who are saying we will be competing for the wooden spoon this year.

You guys are dreaming.

We are much better than the Doggies.
We are much better than the Knights.
We are much better than the Tigers
and at the moment we are much better than the Raiders.

They will be fighting it out for the wooden spoon.

We will either be fighting it out to keep pace with the Top 8 or fighting it out to stay anywhere between 9th-12th.

Dreaming I tell you.

Wooden Spoon. I don't think so.
Don't be negative, if anyone can get us that spoon, Brown can! 🤣
 
So this game has me feeling some weird pride but also some disappointment.

Obviously the first half was a WTF am I watching moment. We dominated the first few minutes and I thought we looked strong and then off errors and penalties they scored try after try and our wings leaked.
Then with a flash of brilliance at the end of the first half the Warriors keep your heart in the game as they do. All us fans at the stadium celebrated like we were in front haha

The Rabbits try in the second half was questionable (held up!) . And as it happened I had just finished telling my sisters about one of the games where we chased the game back against the Bulldogs I think and we just lost the game due to a missed conversion. Funny how the game sorta played out like that - missing by just two to tie.

Anyway the second half was like watching a completely different team! The team we CAN be. The team we SHOULD be! It was the best I’ve seen our attack in a while! The creativity and execution and team work was amazing! The tries were amazing! Also can I just say Buntys big run! Woo! Wanted him to go all the way!

When it was like 32-12 the Warriors walked back to our end and looked up at us fans. We were all standing and cheering and screaming loud - Shaun Johnson, Lodge, Jazz… all of them looked up at us and shook their heads and nodded as if to say they could feel how upset we were but also how much we love them and from there they lifted. Every time we scored and they came back down we would do the same thing. And I have to say it was one of the most special moments ever at a game. Connecting with the players like that and the rest of the fans.

Also as much as I love Kodi- I’m glad they have him now. Once again no effort or passion.

Focusing back on us - I want to see us play like that - every half - both halves - every game. Because if we do we are a chance to win every single one of them. I know we are young. I know we have injuries. But when we genuinely have the belief we can do magical things. Honouring our mana is vital for this team.

I think we can make the 8 and Mark Tookey who happened to be sitting in front of us thinks we can too.
There needs to be some serious improvements on defence on the wings but I really just think we need to have the attitude that we deserve to win games.

One more thing that was cool - when we were out in our jerseys - I couldn’t begin to count the amount of people who genuinely came up to us or shouted GO THE WARRIORS! More than any other team. Nice to feel the aroha!

So while we lost I’m strangely proud.

Onto the next week! UP THE WAHS!
Have a great week everyone ❤️
 
So this game has me feeling some weird pride but also some disappointment.

Obviously the first half was a WTF am I watching moment. We dominated the first few minutes and I thought we looked strong and then off errors and penalties they scored try after try and our wings leaked.
Then with a flash of brilliance at the end of the first half the Warriors keep your heart in the game as they do. All us fans at the stadium celebrated like we were in front haha

The Rabbits try in the second half was questionable (held up!) . And as it happened I had just finished telling my sisters about one of the games where we chased the game back against the Bulldogs I think and we just lost the game due to a missed conversion. Funny how the game sorta played out like that - missing by just two to tie.

Anyway the second half was like watching a completely different team! The team we CAN be. The team we SHOULD be! It was the best I’ve seen our attack in a while! The creativity and execution and team work was amazing! The tries were amazing!

When it was like 32-12 the Warriors walked back to our end and looked up at us fans. We were all standing and cheering and screaming loud - Shaun Johnson, Lodge, Jazz… all of them looked up at us and shook their heads and nodded as if to say they could feel how upset we were but also how much we love them and from there they lifted. Every time we scored and they came back down we would do the same thing. And I have to say it was one of the most special moments ever at a game. Connecting with the players like that and the rest of the fans.

Also as much as I love Kodi- I’m glad they have him now. Once again no effort or passion.

Focusing back on us - I want to see us play like that - every half - both halves - every game. Because if we do we are a chance to win every single one of them. I know we are young. I know we have injuries. But when we genuinely have the belief we can do magical things. Honouring our mana is vital for this team.

I think we can make the 8 and Mark Tookey who happened to be sitting in front of us thinks we can too.
There needs to be some serious improvements on defence on the wings but I really just think we need to have the attitude that we deserve to win games.

One more thing that was cool - when we were out in our jerseys - I couldn’t begin to count the amount of people who genuinely came up to us or shouted GO THE WARRIORS! More than any other team. Nice to feel the aroha!

So while we lost I’m strangely proud.

Onto the next week! UP THE WAHS!
Have a great week everyone ❤️
Kodi could of been anything, has the skills but his attitude sucks, shame to see someone with his gifts just not care about the game he once loved.
 
Many people will say our recruitment has been good. I completely disagree. the warriors are in a results driven business and the guys brownie has recruited himself are not getting results. the warriors are getting guys who need development whether thats coming from a different code or just lower grades. I understand why a fan like yourself gets upset or frustrated or angry or what ever emotion you feel when some of the younger guys make mistakes. but these guys are getting poor development if any but thats for another thread.


last week against the sharks we had a lot of momentum scoring two quick tries and then the sharks had a player sent off. The sharks were smart and knew what to do to stop what could of been an avalanche of tries against them. earlier tonight titans seemed t have all the momentum (12 sets to 3). Dragons defended their line really well, had decent line speed and made good first contact in the tackle. they forced a mistake and scored shortly after. Watch the storm or panthers or any of the top teams how they defend when momentum is against them. The storm for example will used fast line speed and put pressure on the other team. they make very good first contact and they really slow the play the ball down. DCE from manly has an incredible boot on him and will hit a 40/20 or put a big kick in and the eagles will put the effort in with a good kick chase.

also the tigers are 15 on the ladder and have 2 wins so no they havent turned their season around.

Great Answer - I love having a discussion partner to trade alternate thoughts with. Thanks for the dialogue !!!


Yes correct I get frustrated with N00b players who either shouldn't be selected, shouldn;t be a part of the 30 at all, or in the case of Katoa if he is to play shouldn't be in a challenging position on the edge. I am not sure how else to position my feedback that he shouldn't play without highlighting his name.

Brown himself said Katoa will develop better at Middle forward. Last night he played edge only because of injury. At half time Graham Lowe and Honey (whatever her last name is) pinned Katoa with some of the edge tries. "He is not sliding across which is letting them have an overlap out wide".

My opinion on all developing players is that the you can't learn to be NRL standard in first grade. You can start as an NRL standard player and learn to be a better player, but you can't start as a developing sub standard player and end up being NRL standard and later above average. The reason in my view is the NRL is too fast paced to learn and you get so few touches of the ball that it is hard too learn. Finally the mistakes you do make get blown up on TV replays, on social media, on forums like this one, If you are a fledgling player like Katoa who is not NRL standard the NRL will destroy you and you will get progressively worse. Katoa used to in his rookie season, actually be quite good, His confidence now is shot, due to how difficult the NRL is and he needs substantive time in Reserves where he wins some player of the match awards and gets a brace of tries quite often to bolster him.
Gus Gould tried to turn around Kyle Flanagan by letting him have 5 starts in Bulldogs reserves to start the season as he knew he wouldn't develop or learn the game in First Grade. When he came back to First grade he was much better, and much better than he would have been had he played first grade all year. He probably still isn't much chop. But the only improvement he did was in reggies.
I have firm views on this as we used to debate this all the time on the cricket forums, Finally after 5 years of debating and tracking various players and various prospects. It just became apparent to all of us that development should be done in domestic First class cricket and that in International cricket you pick guys who are ready to perform now. Sometimes that means hard calls where the likes of a young potential super star like Rachin Ravindra can get over looked for a steady but older journey man who will never be much like Darryl Mitchell. Yet this formula seems to work. Rachin will be better off learning at provincial or county cricket. And will end up banging down the door.
We also on cricket forums use to talk a lot about "forum teams" vs "selector teams". Teams the cricket selectors pick are very unadventurous and frustratingly conservative and non performers are kept in the team for up to 12 months longer than they should be. Forum teams are what fans on a forum would pick which are full of guys with high cielings and more upside. Whenever the seletors did pick a forum like side it would always get wasted. The young tyros who were picked would get stage fright and not have the mental discipline to succeed on the highest stage. And half of succeeding in international cricket or first grade rugby league is being used to playing in front of a massive crowd. Which takes time to get used to.
I am raving a bit, we learned that playing young tyros should be done with caution and instead playing more experienced and less talented guys who had paid their dues seemed to work better.

On a different note about momentum
You brought up the Sharks and how they managed to stop our momentum when they were down two men. They didn't do anything.
Instead Katoa did a loose carry 10 metres out from our line and we never saw the pill again for 15 minutes and three shark tries.
It seems like momentum is either halted, by half time coming, or a member of the attacking team with momentum screwing the pooch or the referee intervening. That said I didn't see your example of St George making a coming back.
As for Storm I havn't really seen them under the conch all season. If a team does get into the red zone the raid doesn't last long enough or turn into repeat sets.

Here is a quote on momentum from the article after the game that someone posted from Stuff with Nathan Brown's thoughts:

"It was a game that highlighted how important momentum is in the NRL now and once it’s lost, it’s so hard to get back.

“If you looked at the start of the game, the effort the forwards were putting in, in particular some of our bigger middle blokes [it was good],” Brown said.

“Then we get into the cycle where we turn the ball over. We went for the early kick and they got it back early, then we never had the ball for 14-15 minutes.

“So the line speed comes as a product of the fatigue, where if you look at the second half of the game when we caused an arm wrestle, you could see it with their forwards and line speed."


“How did we go through the middle then? It looked like two different football teams."

Finally correct the tigers have not turned their season around but they have improved. The Tigers are 2 wins and 2 losses since focussing on set completion. They started 0 and 5.

Sorry for massive length of this it is a rainy day outside so had nothing to do.
 
Who else saw this… in the second half, i think around 20 mins to go. We were rolling up the field, had numbers on the right in the rabbits 20m and Shaun Johnson was calling hard, instead lusdick goes left and stunts the attack. We then go on to turn it over. That was a huge moment in my mind.

Do these guys even respect Shaun Johnson? Isnt he meant to be our leading half? When he grew the balls to finally take over and play both sides of the field, we looked a lot better.

Our attack needs to run off our dominant half. When he wants it, give him the damn ball and trust him.
 
I think the Lussick naming was Brown jumping on a grenade for him . Kid's confidence would have been shot to bits during the week by the news that the Roosters made us take him in exchange for Volkman coming early. Hopefully normal service resumes next week, I can see why he was struggling to make the reserve grade squad over there!
Explain to me/ What did he actually do wrong.
Can you say Okotola would of been any better.
Give Lussick a break, He did his job well (and Lowie thought the same)
 
I have possibly an important point to make. Or at least an 8 out of ten importance point. Would appreciate people reading it.

The Warriors show their hand too early in each game. We often come up with a good game plan. Such as attack Player X in the back line because he is young. And we come up with early points because of it. Problem is that the opposition coaches notice and at half time they make corrections to snuff out our successful tactic and come up with a counter.
Meantime our thinktank and coach says "we are going great do more of the same".
So naturally the other team often makes a comeback and we lose in the second half.
This wasn;t the pattern last night but has been a pattern.

Other teams are the opposite. They keep their strategies secret and then whop us in the second half.
For example a couple of times when Ed Kosi was taken apart in the last two seasons was in the second half yet coming into the game the oppostion would have known of his weaknesses. Yet they patiently waited until the second half so they could just keep coming at him over and over again without having the chance to have coaches intervene and tell us how to compensate.

Now coming to last nights game.
Souths after scoring 3 edge tries which were soft as fuck stopped going to the edge for tries. After getting to 18 to 0 in 15 minutes they then started scoring tries through the middle. They didn't want to keep scoring on the edges or we would figure out at half time that was our problem and A) fix it B) fix it permanently so that next time they play us they can't score down our edges.
I palpably saw Souths after getting to 18 to 0 actually have a think and decide they have over played their hand by exposing our edge defence so early in the game and they started trying to score tries in the middle instead.

You can even argue Souths themselves overdid their initial raids on us as we did tighten up at half time and nearly came back at them.

There is no conclusion to this post other than we need to stop blowing our wad in the first half of games as everyone else is more canny than us. All the other teams know this dynamic except for us it seems.
 
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Who else saw this… in the second half, i think around 20 mins to go. We were rolling up the field, had numbers on the right in the rabbits 20m and Shaun Johnson was calling hard, instead lusdick goes left and stunts the attack. We then go on to turn it over. That was a huge moment in my mind.

Do these guys even respect Shaun Johnson? Isnt he meant to be our leading half? When he grew the balls to finally take over and play both sides of the field, we looked a lot better.

Our attack needs to run off our dominant half. When he wants it, give him the damn ball and trust him.
When he puts in those ridiculous kicks on tackle 2 it's a bit hard to trust his judgement. But he was certainly trying yesterday. Moving Walsh to the halves would probably just increase the tug of war those two have for the ball.
 
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