General Religious Discussion Thread

[DallyM]

That experiment confirmed certain theories apparently, but also opened up a whole other cans of worms, strings and about 11 dimensions of headaches. None of which I understand thank god, I've got enough problems without worrying about what's happening in the other multiverses. Hopefully the Warriors are going ok in the others.

yes but it confirmed its neither a wave or a particle at the same time .... its either one or the other

 

[DallyM]

yes but it confirmed its neither a wave or a particle at the same time .... its either one or the other

sort of like Schrödinger's cat lol

 

[Worried2Death]

yes but it confirmed its neither a wave or a particle at the same time .... its either one or the other

Yep, it can't be simultaneously both, so we've confirmed the tip of the infinite iceberg is real. Now we just have to find out where the rest of it is.

 

[The Falcon]

The following is my view on this topic. It may not be correct but is what I believe from my studies.

God does for the most part not have a detailed plan for each person and he can't because of free will.

God's omnipotence and Omnisience is over rated and misrepresneted.

"God is the cause of all causes." is a quote from the Bible

God created the construct of the world. That it would have disease, famine, starvation, murder, births, deaths, love, anger and generosity.
Within all those mixture of hostile and benevolent forces which are randomly distributed and afflict random people (who god definitely does not personally handpick to afflict)
God is the cause of every person having cancer because he let their be medical illnesses in this world but randomness decides who actually gets cancer.

In terms of God having a plan for every one. He knows every decision you will make in your life and how your life will turn out from the very beginning. But that isn't because he has planned your life. Instead God is timeless. He is present in every moment in history and in the present and in the future right now as he sits outside of time observing time. He is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. At the dawn of time he was already simultaneously at the end of time and is able to look back through all the events and all the free will decisions each human has made and will make. So he really does know all the decisions you will make before you will make them.
But you really do have free will and any path you pick will lead to a completely different life for the rest of your life. God both hopes you will and already knows whether you will pick him to follow but is resigned to it being your choice.

BUT WAIT it gets even more complex God does intercede and influence people's lives. Read the following quote of the interplay between God with your free will. Best read when smoking reefer in my opinion.

King James Bible
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

New International Version
In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.

BUT WAIT and then it gets ferrociously controversial when you discuss predestination

God hardens some people's hearts so that will never chose to follow him. Look at Romans

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Want to move on to the next point you raised:

"Everything happens for a reason" is a secular saying and not biblical. So is "everything happens for the best".
Romans 8 28 is slightly different but similar to the above

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Everything will workout for the best in other words if you love God and do something with good intentions. If you do something with bad intentions it will not work out for the best,

This final comment "It pretty sadistic if people are being set up to fail and then punished for it"
The majority of times if God sets someone up to fail it is so that they finally figure out that their system of problem solving doesn't work and that they should let the Lord be soveriegn in their life and follow his ways instead of using their usual decision making logic.

God also apparently has it in for proud and arrogant people and will make them fail as well
"God opposes the proud". "the meek shall inherit the earth".

You may know all of this already based on some of your earlier strong religious posts so sorry if all of this was a repeat info...

Great Read!

 

[DallyM]

Yep, it can't be simultaneously both, so we've confirmed the tip of the infinite iceberg is real. Now we just have to find out where the rest of it is.

who knows my friend thats why i love Quantum Physics... it expands the mind and leaves you asking for more questions

 

[Worried2Death]

who knows my friend thats why i love Quantum Physics... it expands the mind and leaves you asking for more questions

It's the closest thing to a spiritual experience I'll ever have probably, until the rapture comes and I watch all the Christians float up to heaven. Things might improve when they're gone.

 

[Juju]

who knows my friend thats why i love Quantum Physics... it expands the mind and leaves you asking for more questions

And makes you feel insignificant which I think is healthy for human egos.

 

[DallyM]

It's the closest thing to a spiritual experience I'll ever have probably, until the rapture comes and I watch all the Christians float up to heaven. Things might improve when they're gone.

each to there own .... i had a bout with cancer 7-8 yrs ago and i started asking for questions about how the world /universe came into being... i fell upon Albert Einstein, Neils Bohr, Schrödinger and others that gave me answers i needed... not some pasted down stories from a thousand years ago

 

[ramps]

It's the closest thing to a spiritual experience I'll ever have probably, until the rapture comes and I watch all the Christians float up to heaven. Things might improve when they're gone.

Are you okay? Thats a passionate hatred you have bro.

I bet your mothers proud of you

 

[Worried2Death]

Are you okay? Thats a passionate hatred you have bro.

I bet your mothers proud of you

Nah she's ashamed of me bro, mostly for being a Warriors fan, but that's a different topic. She calls me shanda fur de goyim.

Tell us more about how we're one of the lost Hebrew tribes, I'm interested in that theory. I'm a half Jewish Maori, if you're right that makes me some kind of Superjew

 

[ramps]

Nah she's ashamed of me bro, mostly for being a Warriors fan, but that's a different topic. She calls me shanda fur de goyim.

Tell us more about how we're one of the lost Hebrew tribes, I'm interested in that theory. I'm a half Jewish Maori, if you're right that makes me some kind of Superjew

Oh nah im not keen on unlocking the long lost Superjew floating on a long white cloud

 

[Worried2Death]

Oh nah im not keen on unlocking the long lost Superjew floating on a long white cloud

Too scared of the chosen ones aye. Someone's got to do the job of running the world, who do you want to be your overlords, the Tongans?

 

[DallyM]

Are you okay? Thats a passionate hatred you have bro.

I bet your mothers proud of you

my sisters very religious so are a couple of her kids.... i love her very much ... she knows i think different but hey thats ok as long as we can still get past our differences... i would never run down her beliefs down.... tbh i dont know if my own beliefs are really worth losing loved ones over something so? trivial? differences.?... who knows... not sure how to word it

 

[ramps]

my sisters very religious so are a couple of her kids.... i love her very much ... she knows i think different but hey thats ok as long as we can still get past our differences... i would never run down her beliefs down.... tbh i dont know if my own beliefs are really worth losing loved ones over something so? trivial? differences.?... who knows... not sure how to word it

Bro religious views aside. all that really matters in life is living a balanced lifestyle where you can make mistakes and learn from it. Most important thing is having a good set of core values and how you would like your legacy remembered by your loved ones

 

[wizards rage]

I was once pondering why the universe even exists? The default and simplest position should be nothing at all anywhere.

I can remember vividly having a huge ‘fuck me’ moment as my human brain struggled to comprehend the impossibility of billions of near impossibilities all occurring to end up with even just simple atoms. The fact there is anything, multiplied by the complexity that is all of science is mind blowing. The unimaginable scientific balancing acts of nature to create forces, gravity, chemical reactions, light waves, dna, radiation, etc is staggering. If any one of billions of interrelated scientific ‘facts’ is slightly out and life in the universe can never happen.

While believing religion is a human construct, it was the closest I’ve come to thinking there must be a creator or ‘intelligent design’ to set the universe in motion. The fundamental science can’t have been amazingly just perfect, if the universe started once with the Big Bang. The simple fact there is even something rather than nothing, is a huge mind blowingly unanswerable question when you really think about it deeply?

 

[Worried2Death]

The default and simplest position should be nothing at all anywhere.

Agree with all you say, except why should nothing be a default?

 

[wizards rage]

Agree with all you say, except why should nothing be a default?

This:

The simple fact there is even something rather than nothing, is a huge mind blowingly unanswerable question when you really think about it deeply?

You can’t create something from nothing any cause must itself have a cause. And I don’t accept it’s possible there was always just something. It’s beyond my simple brains ability to understand this fundamental trigger for how it all could have started.

 

[Worried2Death]

This:

The simple fact there is even something rather than nothing, is a huge mind blowingly unanswerable question when you really think about it deeply?

You can’t create something from nothing any cause must itself have a cause. And I don’t accept it’s possible there was always just something. It’s beyond my simple brains ability to understand this fundamental trigger for how it all could have started.

Causality infers linear time for there to be a cause before an effect. Time isn't linear apparently, each event may exist independently, so no need for a creator if there was never a moment of creation. That was in Hawking's book, that bent my mind as a teenager. Turns out he was probably wrong about everything and he ended up on Epstein island, all my heroes turned out to be dodgy creeps for some reason, even Mick Jagger, who could have seen that coming.

 

[wizards rage]

Causality infers linear time for there to be a cause before an effect. Time isn't linear apparently, each event may exist independently, so no need for a creator if there was never a moment of creation. That was in Hawking's book, that bent my mind as a teenager. Turns out he was probably wrong about everything and he ended up on Epstein island, all my heroes turned out to be dodgy creeps for some reason, even Mick Jagger, who could have seen that coming.

I just googled ‘why is there something rather than nothing’ and it seems to have stumped many a philosopher back to Greek times

I don’t really accept the creator theory either as he’s subject to the same ‘who created him’. Intelligent design? The universe itself is conscious at some unimaginable level that can shape itself? Who knows?

If anything the universe must be infinitely older, possibly with infinite multiple universes that has trialed infinite possibilities before we lucked on our universe as we know it today.

But what started the very first sub atomic particle? And if matter can spontaneously create, why isn’t there to little or to much matter. We really do live in the ultimate goldilocks universe.

BUT what’s the point of making the perfect universe… and then not let the Warriors win the competition? So many unanswered questions.

 

[Wrighty]

Wizards the Big Bang theory is that at the Big Bang time started. Time did not exist before the Big Bang and it was not possible fir anything to happen
I read a book once that had ten alternatives to the Big Bang
One was that there was a singularity at the Big Bang and that time and events go backwards before the Big Bang with the universe expanding from a singularity as it goes backwards

There was also a bouncing universe theory where the universe is always either expanding away from a singularity or contracting towards one
With repeated big bangs each time it reaches singularity