General Religious Discussion Thread

[Worried2Death]

Probably being intentionally facetious there Bruce. The Apple/Eden story is a similar metaphor of the consequences in disobedience and gaining knowledge that you had not earned, there are many similar cautionary tales in most forms of religion and mythology.
When taken literally as an actual event it can come across very differently though, but I’m not sure how many Christians take the bible 100% literal

Ancient metaphor for puberty since long before the Torah

 

[bruce]

The Adam and Eve story is a myth

No kidding? For real? The whole bible is full of shite, that is one of the problems with the average Merkin, they take it as real...for some reason. One of my favourites is how the genocide at Jericho was committed by the good guys.

 

[Paulo24]

No kidding? For real? The whole bible is full of shite, that is one of the problems with the average Merkin, they take it as real...for some reason. One of my favourites is how the genocide at Jericho was committed by the good guys.

You sound more hateful than the Manly players.

 

[bruce]

You sound more hateful than the Manly players.

WTF?

 

[Paulo24]

WTF?

Bro it can could easily across that way.

 

[Worried2Death]

WTF?

He's got a point, you're not very inclusive of the god bothering dipsticks bruce

 

[tajhay]

A religion is an old cult. A cult is a new religious movement.

 

[Juju]

my basic understanding is this.
my ancestors followed the stars to navigate their way. The only thing my grandfather said was moving was the sun, and the sun is not as big as were being told, hence why its not dark all the time. Anyone else heard this?

Honest question: what drugs are you on drugs today?

 

[ramps]

Honest question: what drugs are you on drugs today?

I support the warriors. Enough said

 

[Worried2Death]

I see your point. What people dont understand is that the bible was written by prophets and not jesus himself. so people who take these stories word for word are a bit brainwashed. Its the teachings and ideologies that were given that need to be explained as the way to live a fulfilled life.

Find your passion/purpose and live life in accordance to the 10 commandments and im sure youll have a good life. Some people have the passion/purpose to explore the stars but turn it in a way to try and prove there are alien life forms Instead of understanding that the earth isnt spinning on a globe.

my basic understanding is this.
my ancestors followed the stars to navigate their way. The only thing my grandfather said was moving was the sun, and the sun is not as big as were being told, hence why its not dark all the time. Anyone else heard this?

Yes I've also heard this, and I believe it to be true. I heard it from an old Maori prophet named Jesus Christ on the psych ward when I was having a bipolar episode in the 90s, I was known as Moses back then, he said he was just visiting but he appeared before me every day. That was 1995, not long after I started supporting the Warriors. I'm on a lot of drugs too mate.

 

[Wrighty]

Probably being intentionally facetious there Bruce. The Apple/Eden story is a similar metaphor of the consequences in disobedience and gaining knowledge that you had not earned, there are many similar cautionary tales in most forms of religion and mythology.
When taken literally as an actual event it can come across very differently though, but I’m not sure how many Christians take the bible 100% literal

I wish I had given this answer, great answer,

 

[DallyM]

was sort of religious/ spiritual at one point but im more into we made from, and forged from exploding stars/ stardust/ quantum physics thats my go to now

 

[Wrighty]

Guess the other confusing point is you often hear ‘things happen for a reason’ and ‘part of Gods plan’ - pretty sadistic if people are being set up to fail and then punished for it

The following is my view on this topic. It may not be correct but is what I believe from my studies.

God does for the most part not have a detailed plan for each person and he can't because of free will.

God's omnipotence and Omnisience is over rated and misrepresneted.

"God is the cause of all causes." is a quote from the Bible

God created the construct of the world. That it would have disease, famine, starvation, murder, births, deaths, love, anger and generosity.
Within all those mixture of hostile and benevolent forces which are randomly distributed and afflict random people (who god definitely does not personally handpick to afflict)
God is the cause of every person having cancer because he let their be medical illnesses in this world but randomness decides who actually gets cancer.

In terms of God having a plan for every one. He knows every decision you will make in your life and how your life will turn out from the very beginning. But that isn't because he has planned your life. Instead God is timeless. He is present in every moment in history and in the present and in the future right now as he sits outside of time observing time. He is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. At the dawn of time he was already simultaneously at the end of time and is able to look back through all the events and all the free will decisions each human has made and will make. So he really does know all the decisions you will make before you will make them.
But you really do have free will and any path you pick will lead to a completely different life for the rest of your life. God both hopes you will and already knows whether you will pick him to follow but is resigned to it being your choice.

BUT WAIT it gets even more complex God does intercede and influence people's lives. Read the following quote of the interplay between God with your free will. Best read when smoking reefer in my opinion.

King James Bible
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

New International Version
In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.

BUT WAIT and then it gets ferrociously controversial when you discuss predestination

God hardens some people's hearts so that will never chose to follow him. Look at Romans

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Want to move on to the next point you raised:

"Everything happens for a reason" is a secular saying and not biblical. So is "everything happens for the best".
Romans 8 28 is slightly different but similar to the above

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Everything will workout for the best in other words if you love God and do something with good intentions. If you do something with bad intentions it will not work out for the best,

This final comment "It pretty sadistic if people are being set up to fail and then punished for it"
The majority of times if God sets someone up to fail it is so that they finally figure out that their system of problem solving doesn't work and that they should let the Lord be soveriegn in their life and follow his ways instead of using their usual decision making logic.

God also apparently has it in for proud and arrogant people and will make them fail as well
"God opposes the proud". "the meek shall inherit the earth".

You may know all of this already based on some of your earlier strong religious posts so sorry if all of this was a repeat info...

 

[bruce]

I’m not sure how many Christians take the bible 100% literal

Merkins take it 100%....I worked with a really cool merkin girl once, good looking, smart, intelligent, funny...we worked right next door to each other and use to help each other out with things...just the best person to work with...she was a Baptist, knew the bible backwards...used to go to bible study classes twice a week. Its in the culture, except for those horrible libs from the cities.

 

[Paulo24]

The following is my view on this topic. It may not be correct but is what I believe from my studies.

God does for the most part not have a detailed plan for each person and he can't because of free will.

God's omnipotence and Omnisience is over rated and misrepresneted.

"God is the cause of all causes." is a quote from the Bible

God created the construct of the world. That it would have disease, famine, starvation, murder, births, deaths, love, anger and generosity.
Within all those mixture of hostile and benevolent forces which are randomly distributed and afflict random people (who god definitely does not personally handpick to afflict)
God is the cause of every person having cancer because he let their be medical illnesses in this world but randomness decides who actually gets cancer.

In terms of God having a plan for every one. He knows every decision you will make in your life and how your life will turn out from the very beginning. But that isn't because he has planned your life. Instead God is timeless. He is present in every moment in history and in the present and in the future right now as he sits outside of time observing time. He is the alpha and omega the beginning and the end. At the dawn of time he was already simultaneously at the end of time and is able to look back through all the events and all the free will decisions each human has made and will make. So he really does know all the decisions you will make before you will make them.
But you really do have free will and any path you pick will lead to a completely different life for the rest of your life. God both hopes you will and already knows whether you will pick him to follow but is resigned to it being your choice.

BUT WAIT it gets even more complex God does intercede and influence people's lives. Read the following quote of the interplay between God with your free will. Best read when smoking reefer in my opinion.

King James Bible
A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

New International Version
In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps.

BUT WAIT and then it gets ferrociously controversial when you discuss predestination

God hardens some people's hearts so that will never chose to follow him. Look at Romans

29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

Want to move on to the next point you raised:

"Everything happens for a reason" is a secular saying and not biblical. So is "everything happens for the best".
Romans 8 28 is slightly different but similar to the above

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Everything will workout for the best in other words if you love God and do something with good intentions. If you do something with bad intentions it will not work out for the best,

This final comment "It pretty sadistic if people are being set up to fail and then punished for it"
The majority of times if God sets someone up to fail it is so that they finally figure out that their system of problem solving doesn't work and that they should let the Lord be soveriegn in their life and follow his ways instead of using their usual decision making logic.

God also apparently has it in for proud and arrogant people and will make them fail as well
"God opposes the proud". "the meek shall inherit the earth".

You may know all of this already based on some of your earlier strong religious posts so sorry if all of this was a repeat info...

If you think you have described the big picture of the Bible I read a couple of lines and you are way off. Sorry bro keep reading.

For example sin entered the world and perverted everything that was good. God didn’t create disease, disasters, murderers etc

 

[Mr Dragon]

If you think you have described the big picture of the Bible I read a couple of lines and you are way off. Sorry bro keep reading.

For example sin entered the world and perverted everything that was good. God didn’t create disease, disasters, murderers etc

He did create the Earth and forgot to tell anyone it's not flat

 

[Paulo24]

It's just if we don't get things right then we are not really dealing with the issues properly.

 

[Stalefish540]

was sort of religious/ spiritual at one point but im more into we made from, and forged from exploding stars/ stardust/ quantum physics thats my go to now

One is based on science backed up by peer reviewed data, the other is back by Bruce's mate Heyzeuss.

 

[DallyM]

was sort of religious/ spiritual at one point but im more into we made from, and forged from exploding stars/ stardust/ quantum physics thats my go

One is based on science backed up by peer reviewed data, the other is back by Bruce's mate Heyzeuss.

im going to ignore the double slit experirment to a certain few on here .... cause most wont know what the fuck what its about and whats happening .... heads up its nothing to do with clit..... anyway check it and learn.... ps Bruce is alway right

 

[Worried2Death]

im going to ignore the double slit experirment to a certain few on here .... cause most wont know what the fuck what its about and whats happening .... heads up its nothing to do with clit..... anyway check it and learn.... ps Bruce is alway right

That experiment confirmed certain theories apparently, but also opened up a whole lot more cans of worms, strings and about 11 dimensions of headaches. None of which I understand thank god, I've got enough problems without worrying about what's happening in the other multiverses. Hopefully the Warriors are going ok in the others.