Gameday Rd 11 - Tigers Vs Warriors 18/05/12 + Postmatch Discussion

[Boats n Hoes]

Thing is it wasnt really the Tigers "swarming" defence that nullified Johnson. They just held a flat line. Shaun Johnson ( like Benji) sidles across field waiting for someone to rush out. Once he gets a staggered line in front of him thats when he'll carve up. Sheens knows this, so they just put a wall up, showed patience and just held the line. Ironically it's this "rushing out of the line" (particulary by our centres and wingers) that has been the nemesis of our defence all season. Although this game our line speed wasnt great either.

As far as Shaun Johnson is concerned, i think we've been guilty of late of just throwing him the ball, with no players in motion, decoys, support in or out, and expecting him to miraculously break the line. For all his freakish talent, we'll improve the odds a lot more by creating some doubt in that defensive line first. eg the Moltzen try from the scrum where a couple of players on the unders held up Maloney just enough to create some space.

 

[Sebastian]

Thing is it wasnt really the Tigers "swarming" defence that nullified Johnson. They just held a flat line. Shaun Johnson ( like Benji) sidles across field waiting for someone to rush out. Once he gets a staggered line in front of him thats when he'll carve up. Sheens knows this, so they just put a wall up, showed patience and just held the line. Ironically it's this "rushing out of the line" (particulary by our centres and wingers) that has been the nemesis of our defence all season. Although this game our line speed wasnt great either.

As far as Shaun Johnson is concerned, i think we've been guilty of late of just throwing him the ball, with no players in motion, decoys, support in or out, and expecting him to miraculously break the line. For all his freakish talent, we'll improve the odds a lot more by creating some doubt in that defensive line first. eg the Moltzen try from the scrum where a couple of players on the unders held up Maloney just enough to create some space.

I actually heard Daniel Anderson use the term "swarming" when refering to the Tigers defence on the radio when he was calling the game for Grandstand ABC. We were not doing the same, as we successfully did last year in the Semi Final. I thought it was so accurate once i viewed the game later on.

 

[Raurimu Massive]

To counter that offensively would being deeper help beat the rushing up? im curious about tactics and strategies thats my reason for asking.

Bro, not only does being a bit deeper help beat the rushing, in that game it led directly to a Tigers' try... All of our defence rushed up, Benji hung back and slipped that skidding grubber kick to Billy T's wing. Tupou was up so quick that it left a gaping great hole that we had virtually no chance to defend with such an inexperienced fullback being the only player with a shit show of getting across to cover. Without huge pressure on the kicker, I reckon a rushing defence will always be susceptible to that kind of play.

We really were guilty of trying to out-magic Benji, instead of pressuring him out of the game.

 

[Sebastian]

Bro, not only does being a bit deeper help beat the rushing, in that game it led directly to a Tigers' try... All of our defence rushed up, Benji hung back and slipped that skidding grubber kick to Billy T's wing. Tupou was up so quick that it left a gaping great hole that we had virtually no chance to defend with such an inexperienced fullback being the only player with a shit show of getting across to cover. Without huge pressure on the kicker, I reckon a rushing defence will always be susceptible to that kind of play.

We really were guilty of trying to out-magic Benji, instead of pressuring him out of the game.

Very true.

 

[facefacts]

Bro, not only does being a bit deeper help beat the rushing, in that game it led directly to a Tigers' try... All of our defence rushed up, Benji hung back and slipped that skidding grubber kick to Billy T's wing. Tupou was up so quick that it left a gaping great hole that we had virtually no chance to defend with such an inexperienced fullback being the only player with a shit show of getting across to cover. Without huge pressure on the kicker, I reckon a rushing defence will always be susceptible to that kind of play.

We really were guilty of trying to out-magic Benji, instead of pressuring him out of the game.

That was a great try, that was executed perfectly....and it was on the 3rd tackle...so every winger in the comp would have still been up in the line.

I thought we shut down Benji's running and passing game very well, but the one thing we couldn't close down was his kicking game, which was excellent.

 

[Raurimu Massive]

That was a great try, that was executed perfectly....and it was on the 3rd tackle...so every winger in the comp would have still been up in the line.

I thought we shut down Benji's running and passing game very well, but the one thing we couldn't close down was his kicking game, which was excellent.

Oh my bad, I thought it was 4th or 5th.

 

[Wigan Warrior]

Watched the game live and thought the second half performance was very poor. Got ahead twice and then threw it away twice.